Ok let´s talk about the future of the adult industry.

50 new TGPs per second

everything in business has a cycle. We will push the limits of how far we can offer for free before the sales are not there, and then we will scale back to where we make money again.

It will happen, just gotta wait and play the game the best way you know how.

this is an election year, the conservitives are going to take care of that free porn problem for you in the next 6 months to a year.

I look for them to come down hard on a bunch of webmasters. They will want to tie you into whatever else they can. Solve all their problems. looks good for the elections.

they only started with janet jackson and howard stern, that thing is going to go a lot farther.

that will take care of free porn.


I want to be wrong but I don't think so.

Freat post Sensei

The problem with regulating the online free porn though, is that like comunism, it's an utopia. Works good in theory - we would all make more money with less free porn. But in real life there's human greed and there will always be people that step out of line to get ahead of a fellow webmaster.

Sad but true...

i have a bunch of TGPs and get maybe 20,000 submissions a day.

i see most everything that the surfer sees.

and it's mostly all the same tired shit.

the internet is no longer growing exponentially. it's basically the same bunch of jerkers, just looking for something new.

and content producers produce very little that excites the imagination.

maybe 5% of the content i see in galleries makes me want to look at it.

there's not too much content for the marketplace, the demand is insatiable.

there is too much mediocre content, and lots of surfers have broadband, so they see everything pretty darn fast.

give them something new, and they will signup and buy.

BUMPING this for the Sensei before going to bed.

Well as far as regulating free porn im doing my part I think.

The tgp prodject im working on now will not let the surfers get all the content they want and need.

And I know this will pay off really good.

I just wish more webmasters would see this and cut the content flow for the surfers.

I know making this thing happen by hard work (Im talking about making about 1000 custom galleries per site) Will work out and anyone who wanna submit to me will have to follow these rules.

Maby some gallery makers will see the difference in BW bills against the amount of money they will make building these kind of galleries.

I say the revenue will be much higher.

that is the smartest thing anyones said lately, I have talked to people just in polling people online and they said they r done getting off before they even sign up for anything (to the one bitch girl saying eww, um whatever I actually care about the customer thats what they go there for and I will find out what they want- noticed your sites not up anymore dumbass-ignore this) This is a fact and it ruins it for all paysite owners even the bigger companys! Also it forces people to get custom shoots which get expensive! I really think if they toned it down a lot theyd get more signups.
Also we are all paying for it ? why u ask... because when a million customers sign up for sites and see stuff they saw for free all over the fucking internet they charge it back! Now we have to pay visa $750 just for the privilege of taking thier cards. Which I think is unfair the adult industry brings in lots of money to visa because our cute outfits are so expensive. When I was dancing I wore a diff $100 outfit a day that I charged to my damn visa!

Bingo !

Problem is that there isn't the money in producing content because of all the people throwing everything out there for free. When the paysites arent getting joins, they stop spending on content. When the affiliates stop making joins they stop spending on content too. When people stop spending on content, people stop producing content.

The more stuff out there for free, the less profitable it all becomes. But as with all things, when people stop making money, they will stop running their free tgps etc, and things will correct !

But thats just my opinion ;)

A lot of the stuff everyone has been talking about in this thread is stuff that we who do Tgp2 have been telling you for 3 years now.
And this is the thread where it all started less is more!
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...highlight=tgp2
Read it for yourself

Oz

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are there enough traffic ion tgp2 to make bank?
the idea is great but i can't see where the traffic comes from

Don't forget to leave a mess on ICQ once you get this yhing going.

your missing the point, this industry the way it is now is to far gone to revert back to tgp2. Does anyone honestly think that if we seriously limited the amount of good quality porn that makes the surfer blow his load instantly that the porn surfers are just going to abandon online porn? Your fucking crazy. Noone had to switch to tgp as we know them to make money. Take your average adult bookstore. I know of some who staple the magazines shut until you buy them, or you can look at them but how the fuck can you blow your load standing in a bookstore? You cant your forced to buy the mamgazine. This industry as we know it will get so fucking stale very soon with the current state of affairs. Hate on me all you like, time will prove this to be true. Only thing that will be very profitable will be ultra-niche content which will only be found in very few circles

( I totally blanked on what I was going to say. )

Yup, way too much free porn

same old rant from the guys that couldnt quite make it...its boring, get a new speech writer.

Traffic is a lot better then it use to be. But you also have to remember that tgp2 converts 30 times better (yes 30 times ) Searchengine traffic still converts somewhat better.

Our Tgp2traffic.com gallery rotator site just served up its 3.6 million gallery view.
There are over 80 Tgp2 sites using the rotator.

We also buy traffic to feed a few targeted Tgp2 sites. Then these site feed traffic in to the system of tgp2 sites. Which is somewhere around 125 to 150 sites.

If it didn't work then I and all the others wouldn't still be doing it.

It's simple, less means more. Tgp2 was and is still the best way to reduce free porn and add more money to your bank account short of putting all porn behind ASP (Adult Site Pass) systems.

Oz

I already wrote once in this thread that a dose of reality is needed. But it goes further than just recognizing that appeals to what you might perceive as good sense will fall on deaf ears and that the industry will mature in its own good time.

Some of you are writing as if TGP operators are supposed to be actively helping submitters make a living. That's nonsense. The TGP operator exists to make a living for himself and all he does is make a trade-off with submitters, exchanging some of his traffic for the pulling appeal of their galleries.

Only to the extent that a TGP operator wants to get enough submissions, does he have to concern himself even for a second with the volume and quality of traffic that he pushes to submitted galleries. And since we are being realistic, most TGPs have spent the last 3+ years trying to cut down the number of submissions they receive. I'm a minnow in this business, yet without any promotion whatsoever, I get 200-300 requests monthly for trusted submitter status. 18 months ago, before I closed my submission page to the "public", I was getting 800-1,000 submissions a day. I needed maybe 100.

That certainly isn't the way submitters would wish the market to be, but it's the reality you have to come to terms with.

Then there is the whole thing about too much free porn. Sure if there weren't any, surfers would have to buy or go without. But it isn't going to happen! I seriously doubt that in relation to the number of people trying to sell porn and the number of surfers online today, there is any more free porn than when I first started. But it's irrelevant anyway. It's there. Get used to it.

The fact is that 80%+ of TGP galleries couldn't sell a glass of water to a man dying of thirst. People throw up 20 cheap/free pics, stick a banner and a half-assed piece of text on it, and expect to sell the same site or product that thousands of other people are pushing. The average tree stump has more imagination and effort than goes into the majority of galleries.

We don't have the high proportion of newbie surfers we used to enjoy. We have instead, thousands and thousands of surfers who have been burned by some scam or other. There is remarkably little real variety in what sponsors are selling or the way they sell it. So the job is tough and if you are going to succeed you need some skills. Just because this is still one of the cheapest and easiest businesses to enter, does not mean you get a free ride to fame and fortune once you are on board.

The market will change over time, but don't kid yourselves: many of today's frustrations will disappear, but overall, mature markets are far tougher to break into than the kind of open market that we have today. If you haven't overcome the current obstacles and got established by the time things do settle down, you will be gone.

There might be too much free porn out their already but if we can keep some new surfers from finding it, all the better.
I see people giving up on their TGPs every day, put the tgp2traffic.com rotator links on it and leave it. Let someone else do all the reviewing and weeding out the cheaters for you.

Well shemp not really...
I am making a living from this and I dont complain but the facts still remain.

The bizz is spinning faster and faster for the benefit of the SURFER most of the times and not for the webmaster.


And Jayjeff yes it´s true most tgp webmaster do this tgp bizz to benefit from themself and not to help out gallery posters.

But do you think they would make MORE or LESS by having galleries online who showed less content?

Do you think it would be more or less easy to direct the surfers to sponsors if they did not find all the good shit directly and easy?

Yes or no?

Its true. We all give out too much. In my galleries I put the minimum I can put to still get accepted, 15 pics, no more. It sucks that we have to give out so much to make something. But what are you gonna do?

Well you have to remember it is their tgps and they can do what they like. Theyre still making money and some have standards to follow by. They want to give out enough so their surfer is happy, and the submitter has the choice to submit or not. Its their traffic not ours. But either way, I think if most could lower the amount down to just 10, we would see a major difference. We dont need 20-25 pic galleries, thats almost half of normal members area galleries and they usually contain the best pics from the whole set.

Well you team up with some guys who have the same idea and make sure to keep the traffic you generate stays within the style of your taste.

And make sure you do not bleed any traffic outside your system.

It´s not that hard.

I will need prefeered submiters when I am done with my prodject..
We are a few guys who will build almost the sames system and only use hardlinks.

Back to basics kind of.

Hit me up when its done, maybe I can help.

sound interesting.
Seems something in between tgp and tgp2...

Well it´s kind of...well im not sure what to call it.

Its a way to just be able to make good sales...to bring the stuff back to what it ones where..

You use as much adds as ya want and you kind of link 3 thumbs to a html page...

Yes a html page! And there you get to make even more sales.

There will be pretty strict rules about how you are to build the galleries and they might take a little more work in the beginning.

But I promise you it will pay off in the end.

And ones you get a hang of it it will be so much more fun

That's probably the main reason why ARS has switched all his sites to reality sites.

You make absolutly no sence . You are saying yourself that conversions go down ... and you are telling us that you will put a 50 mb movie online ? Then it will be like 1:100 000 .

What I think is that the free porn will end by :

1 : The governement will have a strict ligislation about age check on porn sites . All US sales will be only allowed with an agecheck and making free sites will become illegal .

2 : The conversions will get worse and worse for the little guys . The BW fees will not go down for ever like they are doing right now . The fees will become higher than money spent so a lot of sites will be closed . The paysites will go out with a lot more customers

Well I think it´s up to the sponsors to cut down on the amount of free content material..

I mean some sponsors trow out ALL the pics and movies from the latest update...

Meaning what?

Well in a month or so all the content been used to build galleries from the affiliates and it´s all over the net...

When my sponsor goes online we gonna have stricly rules about how much content will be delivered out to the webmasters.

Most will stay within the member area.

Good reply jayeff

You can't blame tgp owners for not wanting to risk their cash cow.

Shemp
Sure its the same old rant but not because people couldn't quite make it.
Sure there are those that just don't know how to market their stuff. But I think the main concern is that it is getting harder and harder to make a living in this industry because of the massive amounts of free porn.

Its been time for a change a long time now. But the ones that could make a big differance are scared of losing their cash cow. Yeah you would lose part of your traffic switching to Tgp2 but the pay off to the submitters and tgp owners would be huge.

Oz

That won't work . There is too much free content for newbie webmaster to use and the sponsors hosted galleries will just get more and more exposure ...


I don't know why peopl are starting talking about it just now because 3 years ago I was the first one to realise that the hosted galleries are killing tgps . I was the first one to have mostly sponsor hosted galleries on my TGP and the first one to remove them all . I made my own and after that I was getting 10x more signups .

The Kazaa network right now isn't nearly as good as it used to be . The search are slower and it's getting harder to get a good download speed . Off course it's posible for young broke people to get the same free porn . But as an adult ? With a lot of money ? I'd pay 10 $ a month anytime to get a better surfing experience

At first when I've seen the drastic turn took by VISA I tough that it was wrong for the industry . But so far so good, after couple months we see 10 $ sites with killer conversions, better retentions and we give a better surfing experience to everybody .

On top CC bill make changes and expose the shavers (perfection jeff and 2-3 others) .

It just force us to offer high quality content for the price we are offering if we want to be able to sell the same shit in couple years.

CumSense
Thanks for starting a post like this.

God knows everyone has gotten bored with me ranting about to much free porn.

Good replies everyone!

Oz

Np dude

Ok to give people a feeling on what I am about to do and might also give you a wakeup call and might wanna get in this is the style of galleries I am talking about.

http://www.cumdojo.com/preview/ashley/ashley.html

You see?

Alot of add space. You offer the surfer 3 pictures and they are on a html page the big pics are linked to the sponsor and you have add space on top and bottom.

Also the main page is alot of text and add space.

You build each gallery to reflect the page it will send the surfer to to get a naturally flow from the gallery to the sponsor.

You show the surfer a few hardcore pics maby but they are not to be linked!!

If you want the good stuff you pay for it!!

I am really tired about peoples talk about "Well you will never have 100K traffic to a site like that"

Yeah so what? Your traffic will convert so many times better and your bw bill will be lower= more income to you!

So any inputs on a gallery style like this?

Good or bad for the industry and good or bad for a sale?

You call that a gallery?



Do you think the tgp posters from other countries wont make up for the US webmasters shut down by possible US regulations?

Well maby I am to change the name from gallery to "Money making page"

lol, not according to Darwin

Sorry I did not understand that joke.

best luck with your project but it is quite similar concept to tgp2 and the question is if and where will you gt the traffic to feed youir sites and how you will make sure that your surfers never see "real" tgp's...

Well the way I am doing this I wont rely on other tgps from traffic but only trade within my own sites and I wont bleed any traffic out to the "real tgps"

So if they get into my network I will keep em there.

I think there's way to much free stuff out there.... alot of people may disagree with me, but I believe TGP's are the downfall of this industry.

Cumsensei, that's a nice gallery there. The first thing I noticed was the ad, not the pictures like when I see a regular tgp gallery. I hope it goes well for you. I wonder how long it's gonna take you to make those galleries for each site. 1000 is a lot!

Thanks.

Well all of them will not be custom made like the one I posted.

Since all sponsors don´t offer you unique babes style sponsor sites.

SO those sites will have one template and used with all the babes.

It´s only unique content sites who will have templates made out just for each girl they offer.

But yes it will take time and when you think about I will have 9 of these sites thats 9K galleries

But I know this will pay off really good in the end so I am not worried..and I add them as time goes by.

Let's assume for a moment that you could make some of free porn go away and that its absence lifted the market. Does that make all webmasters equal? Of course it doesn't: some will always do the job better than others. Nor will it stop webmasters expanding their businesses nor close the door to the constant influx of new webmasters.

Issues of one kind or another will always exist. Right now it is free porn. But transitory issues are always ultimately irrelevant because what really counts are the laws of supply and demand. Thus the way to succeed is not to rail against issues, but turn them to your advantage, by-pass them, or else live with them.

I think there is a lots of room for someone to come up with a new TGP model and it's conceivable that model might include less content and more advertising. But if an idea succeeds it will be because it was a good idea, because surfers like it, and because webmasters get behind it: not because it offers less free porn.

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Well the thing thats really amuse me is that noone seem to have any intrest in cuttin down on the amount of free stuff out there.

But I guess im the only one who see the problem.

If there are anyone out there who would like to get into the prodject im starting up feel free to do so.

It will be some hard work at the begining but ones we got things rolling I say it will be a good little money making machine.

i had a recent epiphany lately.. and the riddle is this:

what is the difference between advertising porn and selling porn?

i'm serious.
Sensei was instructing newbs on how to build 15 thumb galleries last year, now he's "born again". spare me the BS, perfect post before sig day...what crap.