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  • CumSensei
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    • Jan 2001
    • 3986

    #1

    Ok let´s talk about the future of the adult industry.

    Ok so where are we going to end up?

    I mean everyday the adult industry seems to go more and more in the wrong direction...

    The tgp bizz is fucked up these days with all the thumb tgps going around.
    Sure any kid can bring it up to 100K a day easy but the traffic most times sucks and the BW bill kill em after a few months.

    And whats up with the gallery rules these days?

    I say post nomore then 3 linked pictures and have 2-3 unlinked bigger thumbs (Yes kind of the old tgp2 style)

    Most tgps offers WAY to much content and seem to have forgotten why we are in this bizz. We are here to point the surfers to the goldmine where they find the gold and not to send em to a bank and give them all the gold for free.

    I been in this bizz for over 6 years now and I remember when I started out making a small linklist who had maby 7K traffic a day and that sucker made me about 1500$ a month easy!

    Thesedays you need to have over 100K hits a day most of the times to make such amount since all newcummer today seems to trust in sponsor hosted galleries and don´t know shit about makng their own adds and how to sell a site in the best way.

    I remember when I saw Greenguy first time givin into the tgp pressure. For me that site was one of the last standing good linklists but as the tgp part got added im sure things changed over there. (Got no proof of this ofcourse )

    But everyday I see good old linklists going down because of the tgp bizz and surfers get more and more free stuff to jerk off to.

    I mean today you can see tgp´s that demands from the gallerymakers to post at least 20?!?! Pics in each gallery.

    The galleries out there today is more and more looking like a "Come people and get shit for free!" Then what it´s suposed to be...And commersial add....a gallery is a add...its supposed to sell something...You dont see adds on tv give everything away do you? No they leave something for ya to dream about.

    I think it´s damn wrong but noone seem to wanna do anything about it?

    I just wonder where it will end because the direction we are taking our own fucking bizz these days would have to break down sometime.

    Who will be left standing?

    The sponsors?

    Let´s hear some inputs.
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  • shermo

    #2
    Great thread, and I agree 100%. We offer way too much for free, but with all these newbies adding more and more content to their sites, it seems like we have to keep up just for competition's sake.

    Hopefully it'll come full circle soon and we can get rid of the traffic scripts, limit the daily level of galleries put out for surfers, and Keep the traffic inside of a select circle.

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    • PMdave
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      • Dec 2003
      • 1517

      #3
      The future will be for those that find new ways of promotion.
      Tgp will kill itself (in the long run), let's just hope it doesn't drag to many others down

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      • CumSensei
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        • Jan 2001
        • 3986

        #4
        Well is it not upto us the older guys int he industry to tell the newbies how it´s done?

        New people in the industry are really easy to tell stuff like.

        "I done it like this and that work much better."

        I know I corrected a few new people who contacted me.
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        • EvilToyBoy
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          • Mar 2003
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          #5
          Sensei.. take a bow.

          One of the most well considered and meaningful posts I think I have ever read here at GFY.

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          • shermo

            #6
            Originally posted by CumSensei
            Well is it not upto us the older guys int he industry to tell the newbies how it´s done?

            New people in the industry are really easy to tell stuff like.

            "I done it like this and that work much better."

            I know I corrected a few new people who contacted me.
            It is up to the elders, but you'll always have a select few who jerk their surfers all over the place and offer 6,000 galleries in 500 different categories. This isn't a healthy practice, and that is what is killing the game overall.

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            • KraZ
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              • Oct 2003
              • 2636

              #7
              You say nothing of Kazaa and the other P2Ps ... I haven't been on Kazaa for 2 years, maybe things have changed (for worse) but with the availability of free content there, the TGPs cannot compete so they put more content to entice surfers.

              I'm into content production (I'm not into TGPs) so I may have the wrong perspective but it seems to me only unique content, reality shows, live cams, etc. can be "protected" from the tons of free content on TGPs and P2Ps.
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              • hoe_vender
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                • Dec 2003
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                #8
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                • kios
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 544

                  #9
                  TGP:s will always be here. Those who choose to only list the sponsorgallerys will die out slowly or at least loose a big portion of their traffic. I think we can already see this trend when checking out certain TGP:s on alexa.

                  Those TGP:s accepting regular gallerys will be the winners in the end, and will just get more and more traffic.

                  I´ve used 15 pics for years on my gallerys and it still works. Get listed on almost all the important places. Actually with more surfers nowdays then before. I have never had higher traffic than now.

                  Conversions is not what it used to be, but the increase in surfers make up for it.

                  Within 1-2 years you will see big MPG:s offering 50MB+ movies for download. Bandwith be even cheaper soon and anyone can afford it.

                  Those who knows how to advertise will still be able to make LOTS of sales from their gallerys.

                  Thats my thought on gallerys.
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                  • spentrent
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                    • Feb 2004
                    • 876

                    #10
                    Thesedays you need to have over 100K hits a day most of the times to make such amount since all newcummer today seems to trust in sponsor hosted galleries and don´t know shit about makng their own adds and how to sell a site in the best way.
                    Newbies aren't responsible for hosted galleries.

                    What dis DRM thing I keep hearing about...

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                    • XM
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                      • Jan 2001
                      • 406

                      #11
                      why majority of people still thinks adult industry=TGPs
                      I'd estimate their share on signups sent to paysites to 20% max.
                      So for me the future of adult business is bright as usually, except that TGPs will grow in traffic while sending less signups which will slowly lead to their extinction not as traffic source but income source because there will be always zillions of newbs creating their own TGPs and jerking on their traffic stats but not income stats....
                      XM

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                      • VeriSexy
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                        • markell
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                          • Nov 2002
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                          #13
                          the industry is going to kill itself, with people thinking their post count, and how many years they have been in the industry means anything, and these peopel thats ben in the industry and are actually doing something acting like there to good... the industry will kill itself... its so much drama.. and everyone trying to hate on everyone else...

                          it needs to go back to how it use to be, when everyoen networked and there wasnt that i make 100,000 a day so im better than you shit
                          blah blah fucking blah

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                          • Morgan
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                            • May 2002
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                            #14
                            guess thats how the music industry probably feels...
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                            • spentrent
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                              • Feb 2004
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                              #15
                              The future is Internet2.

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                              • the Shemp
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                                • Nov 2001
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                                #16
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                                • The Machine
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                                  • May 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by the Shemp
                                  CumSensei's preferred submit account with Shemp is now available, email shemp at shemp dot com


                                  and a great post by CumSensei.
                                  but stay tuned guys, help is on its way...
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                                  • polish_aristocrat
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                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 40377

                                    #18
                                    Yeah, it sucks, but what can you do.
                                    Surely, you can still make money and you can still increase what you make - by getting more market share even in an declining industry.

                                    Hey, but I even listened to the interview with Lensman few months ago - and if I am not wrong - even he said that TGP's should rather tease the surfer and not offer hardcore images....
                                    But what can he do about it? What can you do? Almost nothing...
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                                    • Trax
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                                      • Aug 2001
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by the Shemp
                                      CumSensei's preferred submit account with Shemp is now available, email shemp at shemp dot com


                                      good one

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                                      • DamageX
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                                        • Jun 2001
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by the Shemp
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                                        Haha, good one.
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                                        • Mike-BP
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                                          • Mar 2003
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by CumSensei
                                          Well is it not upto us the older guys int he industry to tell the newbies how it´s done?
                                          How it's done?!? What gives the "older guys" the right to tell the "newbies" how it's done? Give me a break dude...
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                                          • sixxxth_sense
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                                            • Nov 2003
                                            • 2430

                                            #22
                                            someone make an honest sponsor that don't shave and pay 10 bux a signup at least I'd know i aint getting shaved! I'll signup i dont care if its 10 or 30 i know thos fucks that pay 30/signup fuck me up in the end always!

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                                            • EvilToyBoy
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                                              • Mar 2003
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by the Shemp
                                              CumSensei's preferred submit account with Shemp is now available, email shemp at shemp dot com
                                              Nice 1 Shemp... hat's off to a true gentleman and scholar.

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                                              • OzKaNoz
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                                                • Jan 2001
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                                                #24
                                                LOL, Shemp means it

                                                Onward and upward.
                                                Yes there is way to much free porn on net. Everybody knows how I feel about that.

                                                But you can't just blame the tgps, its as much the fault of the webmasters that meet there demans. Their game is not posting your galleries to help you make a buck. Their game is posting as much quality content as they can for the surfers. The more content the more surfers. Their game is building traffic so they can sale ad spots and sponsors spots. It's not thier faults that you follow along with their demans.

                                                What are all of you tgp posters going to do when tgps close their doors to public submissions and only list paid sponsors galleries? Don't think it will happen? Think again.

                                                Free sites are almost as bad with there free galleries.

                                                Gees folks you have to get a grip and take control over all of the free porn on the net. Does anyone understand that less is more? Less free porn means more money in your bank. Thats why Tgp2 still works because less means more. And it does work, no bones about it.

                                                There are millions of porno surfers out there busting a nut everyday to free porn. Think they might just sign up for a program if they couldn't get it for free? Sure a larger number would.

                                                With all due respects to everyone that submits you are the ones to blame by giving in to the tgp requirements.

                                                If you run freesites reduce the amount of free porn. Use less galleries or less pics in the galleries. Spread your content out. Use tgp2 style galleries and rotate them ever week. It will make your site look like its updated often and keep the surfer coming back.

                                                Anyway, thats my 2 cents. If I pissed anyone off, sorry I wasn't trying to.
                                                Just trying to help.

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                                                • bigdog
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                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 6964

                                                  #25
                                                  A lot of what you guys are saying is true, but this is gfy it's falling on deaf ears.The webmasters here rather talk about what girls they would hit

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                                                  • icedemon
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                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 1022

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by markell
                                                    the industry is going to kill itself, with people thinking their post count, and how many years they have been in the industry means anything, and these peopel thats ben in the industry and are actually doing something acting like there to good... the industry will kill itself... its so much drama.. and everyone trying to hate on everyone else...

                                                    it needs to go back to how it use to be, when everyoen networked and there wasnt that i make 100,000 a day so im better than you shit
                                                    I don't think the industry is killing itself. Some people are running them selves out of business with all this free stuff. But the adult industry will never be killed.

                                                    I do agree with everything else you say. People would make more money with the old-school networking. Like trading links and helping each other out like it used to be (you do something for me, I do something for you). I doubht it will happen. People scam too much in the industry now.
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                                                    • Basic_man
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                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                      • 27360

                                                      #27
                                                      I think you are right. If every gallery builder would agree to this at the same time, maybe we could chance the direction where the bizz is going.. but it's damn impossible to change anything, as their is no fuckin' rulez at all!
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                                                      • MrBone
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                                                        #28
                                                        Good points.

                                                        Just like any industry, there will be a shakeout eventually. You can already see it to an extent.

                                                        BD is right IMO about a large % of GFY posters. Nothng better to do than just beat down anyone who tries to be constructive for the sake of posting.

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                                                        • hotmovies
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                                                          • Feb 2004
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                                                          #29
                                                          [QUOTE]Originally posted by kios

                                                          Those who knows how to advertise will still be able to make LOTS of sales from their gallerys.


                                                          I agree. Follow the money.

                                                          If some TGP sites continue to give away too much, they will eventually put themselves out of business.

                                                          Does anyone remember free internet service?

                                                          PPV/VOD is the future and IMHO, those sites that can create a good solid user base and create repeated sales will be the most profitable.

                                                          There is and will always be people who will try and will succeed in making a quick buck. But for those with long term goals, there is no substitute for hard work

                                                          Choose wisely who you do business with.
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                                                          • Fabien
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                                                            • Jul 2003
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                                                            #30
                                                            The big ones will remain.

                                                            The others ...........................

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                                                            • scorpion3600
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                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 623

                                                              #31
                                                              I suggest boycotting any tgp requiring galleries with more than 5 pictures on them (anything other than TGP2 in fact) this would be a start...it's sort of like the debate between copying software or paying for it, but everyone has their own interests to protect, namely advertising revenues - but the people who pay for advertising will smarten up and say I'm not going to buy ad space on ANYTHING that offers this much free content and that will cause a change perhaps...

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                                                              • slapass
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                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                • 14625

                                                                #32
                                                                I think we are seeing a change now. On one side you have sites that have been around like persiankitty. She has so many banners etc that I am not sure she gives away free porn any longer. Then you have lumberjack links that has zero banners.

                                                                One person is using their branding and the other person is trying to create it.

                                                                You can't fault either one.

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                                                                • Za Ha
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                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                  • 5112

                                                                  #33
                                                                  TGP's are still profitable if you know what you are doing. However its all bout the bookmarks. You can have 1mil hits a day but 0 bookmarks and that will be very unprofitable. However if you have surfers that trust your site and come back to jerk off daily they will eventually sign up to a few programs that they really like

                                                                  The newbies who are releasing thumb sites are not a threat, none of them are very big and their b/w bill will eventually make them stop trying.

                                                                  IMO, Kazaa is the bigger problem. As a surfer i would NEVER join a paysite because I can go on Cumfiesta.com find out the name of the hottest chick there and type in Kazzaa and get all her videos for free.

                                                                  Thats the biggest problem!

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                                                                  • Za Ha
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                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 5112

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by scorpion3600
                                                                    I suggest boycotting any tgp requiring galleries with more than 5 pictures on them (anything other than TGP2 in fact) this would be a start...it's sort of like the debate between copying software or paying for it, but everyone has their own interests to protect, namely advertising revenues - but the people who pay for advertising will smarten up and say I'm not going to buy ad space on ANYTHING that offers this much free content and that will cause a change perhaps...
                                                                    LOL

                                                                    Who will boycott the tgps? the submitters? LOL! There are too many of them. I get over 200 submissions daily and I have a tiny site when compared to the established big guys. If i got no submissions I would pay someone to make gals and submit them with my ref code.

                                                                    ppl who pay for advertising do so because they get an incredible ROI, they pay $5000 a month for spots and maybe make $20k there are VERY FEW PLACES where u can make such a high return on your investment other than porn.

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                                                                    • CumSensei
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                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                      • 3986

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Well I am not beating down on the tgps in general!

                                                                      The tgp idea is working out good but it´s the way the trend is going I do not like.

                                                                      When I started out a few years back almost every tgp aproved galleries with at the most 12 pics.

                                                                      Then came tgp´s offering no less then 15-16 pic and now we are up to 20 and even more pics a gallery.

                                                                      I mean 10 pictures is way enough to make a good gallery and if ya add like 3 adds in that gallery that will do way better.

                                                                      Do not spill out all the content for free is all im saying.

                                                                      And shemp I allready got a account with ya

                                                                      As far as freesites goes at least they offer more add space for the amount of pictures you put en them.



                                                                      As far as what right do the old guys in the industry have right to tell the new ones anything?

                                                                      Well I am not saying all people need help but some people get into this industry with no idea what it´s all about.

                                                                      Those people need some help and we need to help the because doing shit the wrong way in here will destroy the bizz faster then it might have if they did things right.


                                                                      I saw some posts about networking and im all with ya on that.

                                                                      Today people are more rude then before I feel.

                                                                      Sure you find your own little network but I think the climat have becomed harder when I meet new people today who are pretty new.
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                                                                      • CumSensei
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                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 3986

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Za Ha

                                                                        IMO, Kazaa is the bigger problem. As a surfer i would NEVER join a paysite because I can go on Cumfiesta.com find out the name of the hottest chick there and type in Kazzaa and get all her videos for free.

                                                                        Thats the biggest problem!
                                                                        Well I have to agree in some points there.

                                                                        But I also know alot of sponsors use kazaa to acctually make more sales...

                                                                        They just make a promo clip and people will come...

                                                                        I know this is going on as we speak.
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                                                                        • Za Ha
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                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 5112

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Today people are more rude then before I feel.
                                                                          Thats because there are a lot of kids in the industry and ppl who have no biz education what so ever. So they dont realize that their bitchyness will come back and bite them in the ass in the long run. Too many ppl in the biz to make a quick buck.

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                                                                          • jay23
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                                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                                            • 1444

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by hotmovies
                                                                            PPV/VOD is the future and IMHO, those sites that can create a good solid user base and create repeated sales will be the most profitable
                                                                            I have been saying this for over 2 years...and of course make money out of this. The bigeest problem in PPV/VOD is the amount of money that is needed to get started, thats why we have about 10 PPV/VOD companies. The price will come down and others can enter the market.

                                                                            As a software supplier what we are seeing is the mainstream guys moving into this market because VOD is better then running a porn site for most of them.

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                                                                            • the Shemp
                                                                              congrats to the winners
                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                              • 10891

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by CumSensei
                                                                              And shemp I allready got a account with ya

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                                                                              • SetTheWorldonFire
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                                                                                • Feb 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                It's all these ppl trying to make the quick buck that cause this.

                                                                                Shit... I know some tgps that have better content than some paysites.
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                                                                                • jayeff
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                                                                                  • May 2001
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by CumSensei
                                                                                  As far as what right do the old guys in the industry have right to tell the new ones anything?

                                                                                  Well I am not saying all people need help but some people get into this industry with no idea what it´s all about.

                                                                                  The only issue I have with most of what you have been saying - and I may have the wrong impression - is that you seem to think the responsibility lies mainly with newbies.

                                                                                  But they aren't the ones who started the trend towards bigger galleries, fewer outgoing links, etc. All that is down to the "old guys" as you call them. They were also the ones who started the practise of buying cheap traffic to trade. Not all of them, but enough to have a very major impact.

                                                                                  Whereas newbies by definition, have little influence on the overall picture. Hundreds of them together don't have the traffic of one big operator. Which also means that them disappearing as fast as they appear isn't going to make things better.

                                                                                  The problem when you start talking about the good of the business and appealing to good sense, is that almost everyone is thinking about the here and now, and that only as far as it affects them directly. For example, few people tried to justify the Paris video ripoff except as a way to some quick bucks. And realistically, if people either believe they are going to make their pile and get out, or that they can adapt to whatever comes down the pike, why should they think any other way?

                                                                                  Eventually, the business will mature and become more forward looking. The process is already underway. But meanwhile, what you are really asking people to do is to give away what - wrongly or rightly - they perceive as their competitive edge. It's not going to happen.

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                                                                                  • Linkster
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                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                    • 3216

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by CumSensei
                                                                                    Ok so where are we going to end up?
                                                                                    I mean everyday the adult industry seems to go more and more in the wrong direction...

                                                                                    I remember when I saw Greenguy first time givin into the tgp pressure. For me that site was one of the last standing good linklists but as the tgp part got added im sure things changed over there. (Got no proof of this ofcourse
                                                                                    Where we end up really depends a lot on both political and economic pressures or lack of them in the future - I believe that the recent pressure coming into the sponsors from the CCs will cause the biggest change in the future - and it seems to have already started with the biz model changes taking place currently.
                                                                                    I also don't think there is a "wrong" direction - I don't believe anyone really knows the final picture of what the adult industry is going to look like even next year - most of the "newer" WMs do tend to pick whatever is the easiest for them to see an immediate return - even if it's just the counter spinning

                                                                                    Im definitely glad to see some of us that have been around for a bit going back to the old networking model that has always worked (I'm seeing it more and more every day) and taking action at our level to prevent some of the problems that have come up in the last 2 years with the cheaters/scams etc. and with good ole fashioned linking and trading hardlink traffic.
                                                                                    As far as the LL you mentioned - I dont think (other than one page that I could find with some gallery links on it) that the green one has gone over to TGP on his list - he seems to be still running strong on plain free sites as do alot of my peers.
                                                                                    Definitely good to see this thread appear - it's something that needs to be brought out and discussed to the extent that we can based on our experiences.
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                                                                                    • CumSensei
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                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 3986

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Well Jayeff

                                                                                      Ofcourse its not all the newbies fault but they are usally the ones that stick out. At least as far as I have noticed...

                                                                                      They are usally the ones that mess up in some ways.

                                                                                      But ofcourse there are more "older" people who make the trends also.

                                                                                      But my feelings is we are going in the wrong direction whoever is responsible since the trend is "Give them more and more"

                                                                                      And afterall its WE who decide what the surfers are to get!

                                                                                      Its WE who set the standards.

                                                                                      I know its almost impossible to make a change since every person sits on his own ass saying "Well this and that works for me at the moment" But what happens when the shit turns back and it dont work out anymore?

                                                                                      You find new ways sure but how many times can you do that before the bizz is dead?

                                                                                      I know I am only one person speaking here but I know I got alot of people thinking the same things I do since after I posted this thread my icq list lighted up like a x-mas tree.

                                                                                      This thread have happent to be mostly about tgps but this I think reflects in any promotion bizz.

                                                                                      Or?
                                                                                      CumSensei say: SEO traffic makes big boom boom.

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                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 30307

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Jayeff - Part of the game is keeping people stupid to ya know...

                                                                                        Your posts are to intelligent can ya tone it down a little?

                                                                                        Thanks.

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                                                                                        • polish_aristocrat
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                                                                                          • Jul 2002
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          [QUOTE]Originally posted by hotmovies
                                                                                          Originally posted by kios



                                                                                          If some TGP sites continue to give away too much, they will eventually put themselves out of business.
                                                                                          they will not,
                                                                                          Hun gives out a lots, do you think he's going out of business?
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                                                                                          • psyko514
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                                                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            If only The Hun changed to TGP2, life would be so much better.

                                                                                            But he never will because he's scared to lose bookmarkers.

                                                                                            IMO, that's fucking lame.

                                                                                            There are too many people in this industry working for the surfer instead of the webmaster.

                                                                                            At the very least, TGPs should allow big pictures on HTML pages. There's a difference between taking advantage of advertising opportunities and tricking our surfers.

                                                                                            Surfers are a dime a dozen. Signups aren't. We should be worried about the latter, not the former.

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                                                                                            • mindoza
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                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                              • 1625

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              [QUOTE]Originally posted by hotmovies
                                                                                              Originally posted by kios

                                                                                              Those who knows how to advertise will still be able to make LOTS of sales from their gallerys.


                                                                                              PPV/VOD is the future and IMHO, those sites that can create a good solid user base and create repeated sales will be the most profitable.

                                                                                              There is and will always be people who will try and will succeed in making a quick buck. But for those with long term goals, there is no substitute for hard work

                                                                                              Choose wisely who you do business with.
                                                                                              I am new but i have to agree with Hot Movies! i think at somepoint there will be a implosion leading to quality over quantity
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                                                                                              • DamageX
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                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                • 14293

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                                                If only The Hun changed to TGP2, life would be so much better.
                                                                                                No, it wouldn't. There are LOTS of Hun-wannabes that will take his place.

                                                                                                Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                                                But he never will because he's scared to lose bookmarkers.
                                                                                                Would you give up your biggest money maker?

                                                                                                Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                                                IMO, that's fucking lame.
                                                                                                An opinion you're perfectly entitled to.

                                                                                                Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                                                There are too many people in this industry working for the surfer instead of the webmaster.
                                                                                                I think you should do yourself a favour and pick up a marketing book and probably another one in microeconomics. Hopefully you'll be able to make more qualified comments after you've read them.

                                                                                                Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                                                At the very least, TGPs should allow big pictures on HTML pages. There's a difference between taking advantage of advertising opportunities and tricking our surfers.
                                                                                                I agree on this one. This is how TGP's did start out, initially. The only reason why they switched away from pics on HTML pages was the amount of cheaters. You've got enough of them as it is, allow pics on HTML pages and they'll have a field day.

                                                                                                Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                                                Surfers are a dime a dozen. Signups aren't. We should be worried about the latter, not the former.
                                                                                                Every surfer is a potential signup. The difference between staying a surfer and becoming a signup is for you to make.
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                                                                                                • slapass
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by psyko514

                                                                                                  Surfers are a dime a dozen. Signups aren't. We should be worried about the latter, not the former.
                                                                                                  There is the horn of the dilemma. Webmasters believe shit like that.

                                                                                                  Identify your customer and cater to them. The Hun does this and makes damn good money.

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                                                                                                  • Nysus
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Always great threads Cum.

                                                                                                    I think a few people in this industry understand where it's going and are capitalising on it while others are just waiting and most likely won't be around in a year or two.

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