Okay i am black and dont need $$ reparations. I would settle for Bush leaving the fuckin Constitution alone!!!! Who the fuck does he think he is?
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I don't think anyone who lives in our land of opportunity & $$$ deserves repaprations from people who did nothing to them..Comment
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Originally posted by evildick
You sir, need some Reparation H.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH Classic.
Although its prime backers may be greed motivated, the truth is that slavery's impact still reverberates in the black community.Comment
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53- acres and my FUCKING mule
i won't even dicuss this..carry onIt IS what it ISComment
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those fucking Asians should pay white people reparations because they score much higher in math. bastards. they keep white people down by being superior students and it needs to stop!Originally posted by papichulo
[B] It's widely documented that the average black IQ is lower than whites. Much of the explanation for this has been sociological (worse schools, security issues, black children who excel being labelled as "acting white", etc). Perhaps the reason is a statistical skewing of the black genetic pool towards physical traits (big bones, athleticism, etc) rather than intellectual traits.
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Originally posted by papichulo
But the assault on black families that arose with slavery has always persisted in the African-American community. Men were conditioned not to stick around hence the 70% illegitimacy rate in the black community. This results in a culture of violence and deprivation.... and traces back to slavery.
Reparations may be an empty gesture and worthless quest if its impact has disappeared. Unfortunately, its impact is all very real.
well that sounds good, but does not explain why blacks have a high % of fuckups all over the world.
reparations? on balance blacks do better in western countries where their ancestors were brought here in chains.
slavery is morally repugnant to be sure, but let's get the facts straight.
the black kid driving the BMW down sunset blvd is 5 generations away from his ancestors who were chained in the hold of a slave ship---and this kid's blood relatives today are living in mud huts in west africa herding sheep.
it's not politically correct to say it.
but if you are well traveled and actually look at the way "black" people live and act in various parts of the world you will come to the logical explanation that it is some sort of genetic thing.
whitey didn't do it.
sorry to have to say that.
black people as a group do not prosper very well, anywhere in the world.Comment
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you've just now learned that slaves were bred? as much as I disagree with slavery, i also disagree with "reparations" to them for being enslaved, blacks arent the only race to have been enslaved, but yet they seem to be the ones who feel everyone owes them something. I grew up in a predominantly black area, and live in the same type of area now and it amazes me that a lot of black people feel I personally owe them something because someone they never even met was enslaved by someone who has the same skin color as me 300 years agoOriginally posted by papichulo
There's tons of moral arguments re why black americans should be given reparations for slavery. And there's tons of arguments against it as well.
What finally tipped the balance for me is the BIOLOGICAL argument. It's widely documented that the average black IQ is lower than whites. Much of the explanation for this has been sociological (worse schools, security issues, black children who excel being labelled as "acting white", etc). Perhaps the reason is a statistical skewing of the black genetic pool towards physical traits (big bones, athleticism, etc) rather than intellectual traits.
This is caused by the FUCKED UP antebellum American practice of SLAVE BREEDING: http://www.africana.com/research/bla...30210breed.asp
http://members.aol.com/capzpsyche/crisis7.htm
These plantation owners would pick their big "buck" slaves to breed with equally big black women so as to produce "ideal" slave workers. Imagine the effect this widespread practice had on the African-American gene pool.
I used to think reparations was an empty gesture. But after reading up on slavebreeding and the assault on black families, I have become rather convinced that this is the right way to go.
Fact of the matter is
a: noone alive today owned/owns a slave
b: noone alive today IS/WAS a slave
c: you're welcome for bringing you from your shitty little mudhuts to a nation your people can now prosper and thrive in, if you're not happy we can send you back to africa and you can live in the desert and let flies land on your eyeballs
d: want reparations? get them from the BLACK MAN who sold you to the white man
everyone wants to point the finger of blame at the white man, your OWN people sold you out, god forbid you get pissed at them, just blame whitey, it's all our faultOxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013Comment
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Well, its easy for you to live with the benefits flowing from slavery.Originally posted by XxXotic
you've just now learned that slaves were bred? as much as I disagree with slavery, i also disagree with "reparations" to them for being enslaved, blacks arent the only race to have been enslaved, but yet they seem to be the ones who feel everyone owes them something. I grew up in a predominantly black area, and live in the same type of area now and it amazes me that a lot of black people feel I personally owe them something because someone they never even met was enslaved by someone who has the same skin color as me 300 years ago
Fact of the matter is
a: noone alive today owned/owns a slave
b: noone alive today IS/WAS a slave
c: you're welcome for bringing you from your shitty little mudhuts to a nation your people can now prosper and thrive in, if you're not happy we can send you back to africa and you can live in the desert and let flies land on your eyeballs
d: want reparations? get them from the BLACK MAN who sold you to the white man
everyone wants to point the finger of blame at the white man, your OWN people sold you out, god forbid you get pissed at them, just blame whitey, it's all our fault
Its easy to say that reparations is a joke... until you've lived a month as a black person living in the ghetto.Comment
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If the Japanese were given reparations, why not blacks?Comment
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Just curious....do you think the gene pool could have been that dramatically affected in such a short period of time (Seems like a few hundred years would not necessarily be long enough for selective breeding to make that much of a difference).
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Completely new breeds of differing organisms take less than a decade to breed true... what would make human beings any different? Oh I forgot...its not PC to think this way.Originally posted by Sexentertain_mike
Just curious....do you think the gene pool could have been that dramatically affected in such a short period of time (Seems like a few hundred years would not necessarily be long enough for selective breeding to make that much of a difference).
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Everyone in favor a reparations needs a history lesson.
It's absurd to think white people should pay reparations when most of the largest slave owners in the United States where free blacks.
The majority of white slave owners only kept a small number to help run their property and where actually treated quite well.
Free blacks where the main slave breeders and slaved hundreds and in the poorest conditions.
In fact some of the wealthiest men in America during slavery where the free blacks who did slave breeding.
reparations
Here's a starter link in slavery history http://www.americancivilwar.com/auth...laveowners.htm research the rest on your own.Comment
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Originally posted by fuzebox
I refuse to believe there are people in real life who actually think black reparations should happen, and are a good thing...
The whole idea is so ridiculous.
I agree with you.
So all the white folks should give all the black folks some money.... then what happens?
And how much do I personally owe? Would $10. cover it, $100?
Oh Yeah... we'll all get along a lot better then.Comment
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"Slave owners did not select for smart slaves. They selected for big physiques".
OK let's say that big black men were bred with big black women. It's a fact. The "Greek" got fired from Monday Night Football for saying it but it's true. They did it back then for economic reasons.
Seems to me that all of the Big black athletes that earn millions of dollars a year should share with the rest of the smaller blacks.
Think of the money from basketball and football players alone.
LOL. Ya gotta have a sense of humour.
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Ok who is going to pay these reparations?
The US Government? Maybe just Caucasians?
If it's just Caucasians paying and someone is of mixed heritage can his Caucasians half pay his black half or does it just cancel out?
If the US Government is paying what if someone is 25% black and 75% Caucasian?
Does the Caucasian 75% not get to spend any of the money?
How can you be sure the reparation is only spent by the black 25%?
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That's sad that they fired his ass for stating what was in the history books.
Originally posted by Ian
"Slave owners did not select for smart slaves. They selected for big physiques".
OK let's say that big black men were bred with big black women. It's a fact. The "Greek" got fired from Monday Night Football for saying it but it's true. They did it back then for economic reasons.
Seems to me that all of the Big black athletes that earn millions of dollars a year should share with the rest of the smaller blacks.
Think of the money from basketball and football players alone.
LOL. Ya gotta have a sense of humour.
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Finally. A fucking smart answer. I'll have to think about a rebuttal on this one. Great article, KHO!
Originally posted by KHO
Everyone in favor a reparations needs a history lesson.
It's absurd to think white people should pay reparations when most of the largest slave owners in the United States where free blacks.
The majority of white slave owners only kept a small number to help run their property and where actually treated quite well.
Free blacks where the main slave breeders and slaved hundreds and in the poorest conditions.
In fact some of the wealthiest men in America during slavery where the free blacks who did slave breeding.
reparations
Here's a starter link in slavery history http://www.americancivilwar.com/auth...laveowners.htm research the rest on your own.Comment
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there has already been extensive research on genetics of different races. you can not tell a person's race by their genes.
all races are 99.999% the same.
Off course there are many instances a children being born a genious but to say that chance of that happening to a particular race because their inferior is crazy.
lack of a person's intelligence is more of a social problem. whether it was the enviroment, bad parenting, or substandard education systemComment
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"lack of a person's intelligence is more of a social problem. whether it was the enviroment, bad parenting, or substandard education system."
Excellent point.
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I WANT MY MUTHAFUCKIN MONEY GOTDAMMIT!Comment
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If that's true, why (according to black UC professor John McWhorter) are middle class black students academically worse off than similarly situated middle class white students AND working class white students?
Environmental is PART of it. But what makes the genetic argument so taboo?
Originally posted by playa
there has already been extensive research on genetics of different races. you can not tell a person's race by their genes.
all races are 99.999% the same.
Off course there are many instances a children being born a genious but to say that chance of that happening to a particular race because their inferior is crazy.
lack of a person's intelligence is more of a social problem. whether it was the enviroment, bad parenting, or substandard education systemComment
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We're working on it, my brutha. Stay strong and proud. We'll have our day!Originally posted by BVF
I WANT MY MUTHAFUCKIN MONEY GOTDAMMIT!Comment
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enviroment is everything.Originally posted by papichulo
If that's true, why (according to black UC professor John McWhorter) are middle class black students academically worse off than similarly situated middle class white students AND working class white students?
Environmental is PART of it. But what makes the genetic argument so taboo?
Haven't you ever heard people say they want to move because they had "better schools?" Shit even housing is more expensive you when live close to a school.
Why is that middle class black students are lower academically?
not sure because "Middle Class" is too broad.
All i know is that it's bullshit to say that a certain race is more intelligent.
For instance the Asians, its very possible that they test high because of the 2nd generation americans and their parents instilled their values. I betcha if there was a study only on 3rd and above generation of Asian-americans they'll find that their scores are just average.
Enviroment and social settings is everything. Rewind to 35 years ago and look at the Jim Crow South(Seperate But Equal). You can't tell me those kids education was fuckedComment
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The worst thing about reperations is undoubtedly the ignorant fucks that never shuttup about it. I have never seen such consistent bullshit from such a large group of people.
Facts are irrelevant. Whitey is keepin' me down. They're just choc-full-o-"facts"26 + 6 = 1Comment
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I'm a little bit confused here..... Blacks want to sue the US becasuse of the slave trade? Blacks should be thankful they are here; Obviously the quality of living is much higher in the US than in Africa. My family is Russian and Polish; I'm thrilled to the bone that I am a US citizen.
While slavery is one of the worst things mankind has ever done, no one can hold the US responsible for this. Perhaps instead their attention should be turned to Spain, France, England, and - gasp - the government of Africa who allowed this to happen.
If I recall correctly the US went to war with itself over slavery, and was the first country to abolish slavery. How about reparations to the famlies who fought on behalf of slavery and lost family members.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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that's a crock of shit. Have you ever been to my neighborhood? no, it's not exactly the most posh in town if you'd like to come by and check it out for yourself i'd be more then happy to give you a tour of the ghetto. .Originally posted by papichulo
Well, its easy for you to live with the benefits flowing from slavery.
Its easy to say that reparations is a joke... until you've lived a month as a black person living in the ghetto.
Please tell me, how, in
ANY way, I have benefitted from a race of people being enslaved 400 years ago? My family has been in this country for 2 generations (both grandparents direct off the boat) Not one person in my family has ever owned a slave, met a slave, or directly benefitted from slavery.
Please also remind me why, a crack dealer with 5 grand in his pocket, a 60k benz sittin on 8k rims goes to the store and fucking uses FOOD STAMPS to buy one of his 14 illigitimate children diapers. I'm sure whitey is to blame for that too?
Lets be serious here, yes slavery was fucked up, but white people are NOT the only ones to blame for slavery. Yes white people took advantage of it, but they were not the only ones to participate in the slave trade.
I'm 1/2 irish... who do i bitch and moan at about my reparations for my people being enslaved for hundred of years longer then blacks were endentured. Who do i see about my 40 acres and a mule?Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013Comment
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nah, i'm still not convinced.Comment
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This is a bad argument. Japanese were given reparations but it was only given to the actual victims. There is a strong argument to be made for reparations when the person seeking to get paid was the one actually harmed. In the black reparations case, you are talking about paying survivors many generations seperated from the actual victims of slavery.Originally posted by papichulo
If the Japanese were given reparations, why not blacks?
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Actually, the first to abolish slavery were Denmark and Norway (both in 1792, as they were in an union). Americans piss me off sometimes.Originally posted by RocHard
the US [...] was the first country to abolish slavery.
The rest of your points are good though.Comment
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