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  • minimouse
    Confirmed User
    • Jun 2002
    • 1493

    #1

    don't work with this guy ICQ#

    Please do your self a favour when you come across this guy:
    ICQ#7208627
    Ray(webmasterguide
    Name: Ray Morris
    TX, USA
    1 979 774 ,9239

    He will only fuck you... and after all that he will say it's your fault

    I ordered a simple custom submit script from him, he told me it will be $100.. told him I'll give him $200 for that but I can bug him untill I get the results I want.

    heres the ICQ chat... (please note the dates)

    Date : 07/02/2004
    From : Ray (webmastersguide
    If you want that script done right,
    I can help you out on that. I've been
    cosing for adult sites
    since 1997.

    Date : 07/02/2004
    From : Ray (webmastersguide
    I wanted to double check my thinking
    because we could sure slap a $20
    script up there that does
    the job, but
    from what I'm hearing from you,
    a $100 script that did the job a lot
    better would
    be worth it.

    Date : 07/02/2004
    To : MiniMouse
    I'm willing even to go to $200... but I'll hassle you a bit untill I'm fully satisfied... sounds
    cool?

    Date : 07/02/2004 Time : 23:40
    From : Ray (webmastersguide
    Great. That's what I like to do - do it well. <---- Lol mother fucker

    Date : 11/02/2004 Time : 23:29
    To : MiniMouse
    hey, could you hit me up when you come online

    Date : 12/02/2004 Time : 23:48
    To : MiniMouse
    Ray tell me you run away with my $100

    Date : 16/02/2004 Time : 20:40
    To : MiniMouse
    thank you for fucking me up, please send me the $100 back

    Date : 16/02/2004 Time : 20:40
    To : MiniMouse
    thank you for fucking me up, please send me the $100 back

    Date : 21/02/2004 Time : 21:52
    To : MiniMouse
    hey are you going to send me the money back?

    Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:18
    From : Ray (webmastersguide
    I FINALLY have something for you here,
    a first draft you might say. Where can I install
    it so you
    can look at it? <---------- check the date

    Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:19
    To : MiniMouse
    no man, send me the money back

    Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:22
    From : Ray (webmastersguide
    Now that I've done this custom script
    for you, designed to suit your needs,
    I'd very much like you
    to at least take
    a look at it before it goes to waste.
    Then we can figure out the money -
    half the
    agreed price or whatever if you
    decide you like this script a lot and do
    want to use it.

    Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:37
    To : MiniMouse
    hey hey don't bullshit me man!

    Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:37
    To : MiniMouse
    just send me the money back

    Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:48
    To : MiniMouse
    listen... I have no time for this, are you going to send me the money back or not?

    Date : 26/02/2004 Time : 03:51
    From : Ray (webmastersguide
    No, I'm not going to be out all my time and
    my money because you changed your mind
    if you can't
    even be a little courteous
    about asking for your money back.



    DON'T WORK WITH THIS FUCKER


    Hope you won't get fucked like me... I know it;s only $100.. but fuck it... made me super mad.
    Last edited by minimouse; 02-25-2004, 05:15 PM.
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  • slackologist
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2002
    • 2379

    #2
    huh?

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    • shermo

      #3
      Kick him in the teeth!

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      • Ray@TastyDollars
        • May 2002
        • 6797

        #4
        just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

        Ray <-----Good guy

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        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
          best designer on GFY
          • Mar 2003
          • 30307

          #5
          If you insist.

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          • cold_ice
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2002
            • 3027

            #6
            Originally posted by Ray
            just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

            Ray <-----Good guy

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            • mardigras
              Bon temps!
              • Feb 2003
              • 14194

              #7
              Sounds like he would have probably given your money back had you been a little more "diplomatic".
              .

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              • Ic3m4nZ
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2003
                • 6285

                #8
                Originally posted by Ray
                just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

                Ray <-----Good guy
                lol

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                • raymor
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 3745

                  #9
                  Minimouse left out over 1 hour of conversations from the ICQ
                  log, both discussing the intricate details of exactly what "she" would
                  like in her script,
                  and also the 3 times I offered to return all or part of the deposit.
                  This was after she had myself and another programmer
                  who had to be brought on board do many hours of work but never
                  once indicated that time was becoming an issue.
                  I indicated several times that I was willing to take care of this
                  whether it mean giving her the custom script at half the agreed
                  price, which would have left me 4 hours and $50 in the hole,
                  or even returning the complete deposit and having all of my time
                  and money go to waste. I did insist that before I throw it away and
                  return the deposit she do one of two things -
                  either answer my simple question of whether she decided
                  not do do the project or decided to use a different script,
                  OR if she would simply look at the latest version of the script
                  so she could see the project that she decided to cancel.
                  Instead "she" (he?) continued to make offensive comments
                  even though I was very clear that if she would just be slightly
                  polite long enough to look at the work I did I would gladly
                  refund the deposit if she decided that it wouldn't fit her needs.
                  Minimouse is apparently not capable of honestly discussing
                  the issue and I'm not going to wate time in a pissing contest,
                  so anyone who would like further information is free to call, email, or ICQ me.
                  The correct phone number is 1-979-530-1300.

                  Respectfully,
                  Ray B. Morris
                  For historical display only. This information is not current:
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                  • Dennis69
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 1685

                    #10
                    I've dealt with Ray numerous times over the last year and I've always got excellent service from him and his scripts
                    HaHaHa

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                    • DraX
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 7147

                      #11
                      Seems like a bad mood/misunderstanding mix

                      Do the work and get friends.
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                      • minimouse
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 1493

                        #12
                        Originally posted by raymor
                        Minimouse left out over 1 hour of conversations from the ICQ
                        log, both discussing the intricate details of exactly what "she" would
                        like in her script,
                        and also the 3 times I offered to return all or part of the deposit.
                        This was after she had myself and another programmer
                        who had to be brought on board do many hours of work but never
                        once indicated that time was becoming an issue.
                        I indicated several times that I was willing to take care of this
                        whether it mean giving her the custom script at half the agreed
                        price, which would have left me 4 hours and $50 in the hole,
                        or even returning the complete deposit and having all of my time
                        and money go to waste. I did insist that before I throw it away and
                        return the deposit she do one of two things -
                        either answer my simple question of whether she decided
                        not do do the project or decided to use a different script,
                        OR if she would simply look at the latest version of the script
                        so she could see the project that she decided to cancel.
                        Instead "she" (he?) continued to make offensive comments
                        even though I was very clear that if she would just be slightly
                        polite long enough to look at the work I did I would gladly
                        refund the deposit if she decided that it wouldn't fit her needs.
                        Minimouse is apparently not capable of honestly discussing
                        the issue and I'm not going to wate time in a pissing contest,
                        so anyone who would like further information is free to call, email, or ICQ me.
                        The correct phone number is 1-979-530-1300.

                        Respectfully,
                        Ray B. Morris
                        hey which part of "SEND ME THE MONEY BACK" don't you understand?
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                        • stocktrader23
                          Let's do some business.
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 18781

                          #13
                          Originally posted by minimouse


                          hey which part of "SEND ME THE MONEY BACK" don't you understand?
                          Send me my 5 minutes back.


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                          • stevent37
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 266

                            #14
                            How did you pay him? Paypal CC?

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                            • Roger
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 3181

                              #15
                              Minimouse, Ray have been around since I entered the business and he seems like a decent guy.

                              Your ICQ log shows that he did the job yet you didn't take a look at it and wanted your money back for some reason.

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                              • hoe_vender
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 2018

                                #16
                                what the fuck is this
                                ICQ #286508534

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                                • jimmyf
                                  OU812
                                  • Feb 2001
                                  • 12651

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Ray
                                  just dont confuse that Ray with this Ray

                                  Ray <-----Good guy
                                  you sure?
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                                  • slackologist
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 2379

                                    #18
                                    that was my thought. you owe him the money.. you can't order something.. have people work on it.. then say no i dont want it.. i dont even want to see it.. but GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK. and slander someone.. the way you have.. what a fucking joke..

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                                    • raymor
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 3745

                                      #19
                                      There was a typo in my post.
                                      This should have said $150:

                                      I indicated several times that I was willing to take care of this
                                      whether it mean giving her the custom script at half the agreed
                                      price, which would have left me 4 hours and $50 in the hole,
                                      or even returning the complete deposit and having all of my time
                                      and money go to waste.
                                      For historical display only. This information is not current:
                                      support&#64;bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627
                                      Strongbox - The next generation in site security
                                      Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control
                                      Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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                                      • minimouse
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jun 2002
                                        • 1493

                                        #20
                                        Do you understand english Ray?

                                        SEND ME THE MONEY BACK
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                                        • minimouse
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jun 2002
                                          • 1493

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Roger
                                          Minimouse, Ray have been around since I entered the business and he seems like a decent guy.

                                          Your ICQ log shows that he did the job yet you didn't take a look at it and wanted your money back for some reason.
                                          What the hell are you talking about roger?
                                          did you even read the ICQ log?
                                          take a look.. lol

                                          roger roger
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                                          • minimouse
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jun 2002
                                            • 1493

                                            #22
                                            You know Ray.. it amazes me, you know you fucked this up.. and you still insist not sending me the money back.. it took you 20 days to get back to me.. and you come back with strange stories I sent you a request for a money back 10 days ago in the 16th
                                            you came 10 days after the 16th telling me your done with the script...

                                            Please send me the money back, I won't trouble your mind anymore.
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                                            • Ironhorse
                                              Pixel Pusher
                                              • Nov 2002
                                              • 7094

                                              #23
                                              Didn't you guys establish any deadline dates? reviews, etc?
                                              [email protected]

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                                              • slackologist
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 2379

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Ironhorse
                                                Didn't you guys establish any deadline dates? reviews, etc?
                                                that would be sensible..

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                                                • AvanteGuard
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                  • 451

                                                  #25
                                                  Hmm. I'm not on anyone's side or anything, but maybe this is all a misunderstanding? I know when I make a mistake or miss a deadline for code, I generally do anything to please the customer, even giving it away for free.

                                                  In my opinion, if there wasn't a set deadline, then you can't take back the "deposit" (the purpose of the deposit is to prevent you from not paying). The script was finished, and if it worked, you should just cut the drama and take it. You don't have to do business with him again, but why be out 100 bucks and the program?

                                                  Maybe you and Ray can work out a way for him to "make it up to you" down the road (discounts, free stuff) so that everyone's satisfied. But it's not worth burning bridges left and right for a hundred bucks.
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                                                  • Rictor
                                                    Old Timer
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 12208

                                                    #26
                                                    Looks like he took a couple weeks to make a custom script. How quickly did you expect it? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

                                                    And the price...Jesus...he was worknig for pennies.

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                                                    • torrey
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 1656

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by mardigras
                                                      Sounds like he would have probably given your money back had you been a little more "diplomatic".
                                                      Sounds Like a winner to me.

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                                                      • Kevin2
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2003
                                                        • 1429

                                                        #28
                                                        I've used Ray's services monthly for close onto 4 years now and he has never screwed me

                                                        Webmasters Trade Traffic!!!

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                                                        • spentrent
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 876

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Rictor
                                                          Looks like he took a couple weeks to make a custom script. How quickly did you expect it? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

                                                          And the price...Jesus...he was worknig for pennies.
                                                          It appears that Jesus wasn't lying when he said "Thou getst what thou payest for."

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