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10-13-2004, 08:10 AM

Ok I know this topic has been discussed a lot on here but in light of recent woes regarding processors I figured it may be of use to discuss once again.

I have been thinking about sending a portion of my traffic to a Rev Share program however I am concerned about building up a decent base and losing it should a processor OR a sponsor go out of business.

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10-13-2004, 08:11 AM

as long as it lasts a few months rev share will get you more...

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10-13-2004, 08:11 AM

Only revshare i have used with success is one that had there own merchant account..... 3+ yrs rebills are good and so on....

Now i lean more towards PPS for the quick buck........
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10-13-2004, 08:11 AM

Most revshare programs suck.

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10-13-2004, 08:12 AM

very much dependable on each site and sponsor.
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10-13-2004, 08:14 AM

PPS! if you use stats remote or ccbill it only take sa few minutes to compare the 2. Very few revshares do $30/signup.

I have one that seems to knock it out of the park and lightspeed is in the $30's for me but the others almost all fall short.
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10-13-2004, 08:15 AM

always go for PPS unless you know the members area and if this area is 100% exlusive. Only the very best deserve my revshare traffic.
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10-13-2004, 08:16 AM

isn't it funny how, when you send the same traffic to a sponsors PPS program and then send the same traffic to their revshare program, the conversions are so far off.

Im not mentioning the sponsor but with there PPS I convert at 1:400 and with there revshare.. 1:120 ... hmmm funny isnt it... and I have sent over 10,000 clicks to both rev and pps... so its nothing to do with me sending more or less traffic to one or the other.

<sarcastic>Hmm.. maybe surfers just like signing up to revshare accounts more than PPS..</sarcastic>

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10-13-2004, 08:17 AM

The thing that you have to remember is to do your research and see if a site is good and will retain then rev share is better but if you are talking about most programs PPS is better because there is a lot of crap programs out there...

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10-13-2004, 08:18 AM

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10-13-2004, 08:24 AM

Some good advice thanks. Feel free to spam me with sponsors (including ref. codes) of any Rev Share programs you feel are worth it.

I currently send 100% PPS. I am by no means a big baller but I do triple digits in sign ups per week. I was thinking about taking a small percentage of that and putting it into a solid revshare program so I have something to fall back on during slower times.

Juicy. Do you know any that process for themselves.

EddiePulp. I kind of wondered if that would be the case as far as ratios being better with revshare

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10-13-2004, 08:24 AM

Our revshare program is in its 5th year. No webmaster has lost a dime due to processors taking a dump. Last year we swapped all our affiliates over to CCbill as we realized Ibill was in trouble ( boy i am so glad i did that ).

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10-13-2004, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Furious_Male
Some good advice thanks. Feel free to spam me with sponsors (including ref. codes) of any Rev Share programs you feel are worth it.

I currently send 100% PPS. I am by no means a big baller but I do triple digits in sign ups per week. I was thinking about taking a small percentage of that and putting it into a solid revshare program so I have something to fall back on during slower times.

Juicy. Do you know any that process for themselves.

EddiePulp. I kind of wondered if that would be the case as far as ratios being better with revshare

Ask a username/pass, login and use common sense. If you'd pay yourself, the members will do also. I am a member of a paysite myself (no shit) and my members seem to rebill forever. (busty.pl)
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10-13-2004, 08:30 AM

I expect to lose over 300 rebills because of iBill. My sponsor is trying to get iBill to release the rebills over to CCBill.

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10-13-2004, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
I expect to lose over 300 rebills because of iBill. My sponsor is trying to get iBill to release the rebills over to CCBill.

This is the sort of thing that concerns me. I am sorry to hear that and I am sure you are one of many going through this. I hope you get it worked out.

Going through this now will you still continue to push Revshare?

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10-13-2004, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Juicy. Do you know any that process for themselves.

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10-13-2004, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

I have been thinking about sending a portion of my traffic to a Rev Share program however I am concerned about building up a decent base and losing it should a processor OR a sponsor go out of business.

Please discuss.

The risk factor is about the same IMO.
There are per signup companies that have gone under and not paid their affiliates....or disappeared in the middle of the night etc.
Much more so than IPSP's.

Also remember a sponsor can set your revshare percentage to zero anytime they want to and the processor won't do anything about it, since their customer is the paysite owner and not the affiliate.

There is no "safe" way to do business in a volatile industry. Hedge your bets, spread your traffic around and save your money.

Someone in this industry whom I have great respect for once told me don't count on ANY one traffic source or ANY one sponsor for more than 25% of your income. (I don't follow this advice but I should)

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10-13-2004, 08:47 AM

if you are going with revshare only promote non trials
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10-13-2004, 08:48 AM

Hey furious don't forget Slickcash V.2 has a new revshare program. You know i will look after you. Hit me up when you het a chance. ICQ 315496668

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10-13-2004, 08:48 AM

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Find the right ccbill site, heres some months old screens

Show the trials that converted to rebills and the total rebills. just seeing some people have stayed means nothing
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10-13-2004, 08:51 AM

some real idiot short sighted remarks in this thread

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Next month im launching a 30 buck PPS program for my sites just to serve those affiliates who think for today.

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10-13-2004, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by slapass
Show the trials that converted to rebills and the total rebills. just seeing some people have stayed means nothing

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10-13-2004, 09:02 AM

Here is another thing people

TGP traffic is the worst traffic for anything, the people who signup for recurring cancel right away they are experienced surfers, the only way to keep them is uf its not the standard stuff.

Also SE traffic will retain better then TGP traffic so dont care all traffic but rather figure out what traffic ya got.

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10-13-2004, 09:03 AM

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Here is another thing people

TGP traffic is the worst traffic for anything, the people who signup for recurring cancel right away they are experienced surfers, the only way to keep them is uf its not the standard stuff.

Also SE traffic will retain better then TGP traffic so dont care all traffic but rather figure out what traffic ya got.

Stop making sense, they all want the free trial 35+ per join no shave option. Idiots

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10-13-2004, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Veterans Day
Find the right ccbill site, heres some months old screens
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10-13-2004, 09:18 AM

An interesting mix of opinion. Thanks to those that tagged me on ICQ with info.

Continue to discuss there appears to be a huge difference in opinion regarding the topic.

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10-13-2004, 09:27 AM

I've asked this before -

How come there are no ccbill (or other 3rd party admin) PPS paying $30, $40, even $50 or more PPS?

Hint: There is no shave engine in CCbill.

Third party revshare is the only way to go. No offence to those fine folks with their own programs, but until you get a big-8 accounting firm as an outside auditor, I'm not sending any traffic your way, sorry.

Yep sure lets say CCBill goes belly-up in 2 years, might happen. You'll still make way more with honest revshare everytime if that site is good.

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10-13-2004, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by TheSaint
I've asked this before -

How come there are no ccbill (or other 3rd party admin) PPS paying $30, $40, even $50 or more PPS?

Hint: There is no shave engine in CCbill.

That's not necessarily true.
Any sponsor that uses their own stats software can shave your joins regardless of who is processing the credit cards.

Also, if the sponsor doesn't have their own software and you're using refer.ccbill.com links....that relies on cookies to track, which is a subpar tracking method and you might actually be getting shaved more "honestly" than you'd be shaved by a sponsors stats program with a built in shave.

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10-13-2004, 10:12 AM

Our standard payout is a Rev Share - 50% signup 50% rebill and 10% Webmaster Referral

We also offer PPS! Either payout is cool with us.

I can tell you that my Rev Share affiliates make more every week from rebills than they do from initial signups. This means people are staying and affiliates are getting paid more. Getting checks every week for years is the way I choose to play the game.

If anyone wants PPS, hit me back with your account ID.

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10-13-2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2
Also, if the sponsor doesn't have their own software and you're using refer.ccbill.com links....that relies on cookies to track, which is a subpar tracking method and you might actually be getting shaved more "honestly" than you'd be shaved by a sponsors stats program with a built in shave.

This is a common misperception.

CCbill uses a system with cookies and IP address, so it can still track surfers that have disabled cookies or installed privacy software.

CCbill affiliates get paid every week like clockwork - check or wire

Remember, most non-CCbill programs DO NOT track your surfer if they return a day later and signup.

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10-13-2004, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by dustman
This is a common misperception.

CCbill uses a system with cookies and IP address, so it can still track surfers that have disabled cookies or installed privacy software.

CCbill affiliates get paid every week like clockwork - check or wire

Remember, most non-CCbill programs DO NOT track your surfer if they return a day later and signup.

Yeah, beat me to it.

Only in the adult industry do you have affiliate programs that run with no accountability and no independent review. In any other instance where a revshare partnership exists (telephone companies, consignment sales, etc.) people have to open up their books for auditors and 3rd party review.

Third party like CCBill may not be perfect, but at least its honest.

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10-13-2004, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Furious_Male
Please discuss.

Its simple, if you use revshare with programs/sites that aren't run by morons you can't ever go wrong. With the new CCBill stats I see some of my rebills going for 4-5 months. Why the hell would I want $30-40 a signup when I can get at least 50% of $30-$40 for the life of the customer?

PPS sponsors usually convert great the first week, then the shave kicks in and all of a sudden there is a 1:10,000 "slowdown".

Why throw your signups and potential rebills away? I've been using some revshares for years. Choose carefully, some convert really well, others can't convert at all.
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10-13-2004, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Furious_Male
This is the sort of thing that concerns me. I am sorry to hear that and I am sure you are one of many going through this. I hope you get it worked out.

Going through this now will you still continue to push Revshare?

I don't promote Revshare... except in the sponsor with iBill (they are switching to CCBill soon and are very old school partners of mine) and OCCash. I will probably switch to PPS when OCCash makes it available although I have been happy with their results so far.

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10-13-2004, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by SlickCash Brock
Hey furious don't forget Slickcash V.2 has a new revshare program. You know i will look after you. Hit me up when you het a chance. ICQ 315496668

as if anybody wouldn't cancel their 50$/month membership for one of your cookie cutter sites after a month.
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10-13-2004, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
I don't promote Revshare... except in the sponsor with iBill (they are switching to CCBill soon and are very old school partners of mine) and OCCash. I will probably switch to PPS when OCCash makes it available although I have been happy with their results so far.

Their PPS was 20$ when I had it avaible in my account and I don't think they'll have a much higher one avaible very soon.
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10-13-2004, 11:16 AM

I've said this before and I'll say it again. With the right combo of pps and recurring sponsors you'll make more promoting the two types of programs. I got a couple of rev share sponsors just kicking some ass.
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10-13-2004, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
some real idiot short sighted remarks in this thread

solid programs with real content that are niche will pay better then any PPS usally TWICE as much!

Next month im launching a 30 buck PPS program for my sites just to serve those affiliates who think for today.

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10-13-2004, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Veterans Day
Stop making sense, they all want the free trial 35+ per join no shave option. Idiots

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10-13-2004, 11:28 AM

It makes most sense to invest atleast 25% of your traffic in RevShare. It'll help you in the lean months atleast still have some income.

Also if you are used to living on PPS, then you lose your traffic source you are SOL. While if you had 25-50% of it in Revshare you'd atleast be able to make your house payment.

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10-13-2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by juicylinks
Only revshare i have used with success is one that had there own merchant account..... 3+ yrs rebills are good and so on....

Now i lean more towards PPS for the quick buck........

thank you. excellent point. Which is the reason we have our own merchant account and one of the best revshare programs in VOD. oh yeah, we just added PPS as well.

i personally prefer revshare mainly becasue at busty we were retaining customers for over a year. that was a very niche site though, and the best in its niche.
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10-13-2004, 11:32 AM

I wont address any of the tracking issues brought up in this thread because this debate has been going on for years; we think that the way that we track is accurate and are willing to continue to hear/implement any feasible improvement measures...but that is not why I am here...

I like revshare, on many different levels, attracts less fraud, a system that aligns the interests of the referrer with the webmasters, etc.

A huge benefit that I see is that, over time, on a good site, you build up a strong (albeit a small %) base of recurring customers that just continue to rebill and rebill, customers that may be worth thousands of dollars. You may not notice it after sending traffic for a few months, but lets say(i am throwing numbers out) that 5% of the traffic that you send rebills for a year, and 1-2% rebill for 2-3+ years?those raise the average price per sale and this is something that is noticed over time, I have seen MANY cases of a consumer that has rebilled for 4 years or more, this certainly will not happen with every sale, but the return in these cases take time to notice

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10-13-2004, 11:46 AM

multiple processing options is a huge factor with revshare programs.

We not only use ccbill and epoch, but also 123bill, wts, money order (yes, with NATS, you can even track money order sales) and web900.

We pay on all those options (yes, even money orders).

We pay 60% and 10% on webmaster referrals.

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We also allow things like deeplinking (for example, if you are promoting one of our top models Jessica on BustyAmateurBoobs, you can send directly to her page on the tour).

We have a trial option and a no-trial option.
Our trial members area is a sample area (they don't get full access until they become a regular monthly member). This leads to better trial to first month conversions as it gives them a sample of what we offer without giving them the whole site to download during the trial period (only earning you $1.77 commission in the process). Not to worry, we fully disclose on out signup form that the trial membership is only a sample members area. This makes some more inclined to just take the full membership and skip the trial altogether (much better froma revshare standpoint).

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10-13-2004, 06:14 PM

This thread has turned out to be very informative. I am going to give it a bump for the night crew.

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10-13-2004, 06:46 PM

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10-13-2004, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by EddiePulp
isn't it funny how, when you send the same traffic to a sponsors PPS program and then send the same traffic to their revshare program, the conversions are so far off.

Im not mentioning the sponsor but with there PPS I convert at 1:400 and with there revshare.. 1:120 ... hmmm funny isnt it... and I have sent over 10,000 clicks to both rev and pps... so its nothing to do with me sending more or less traffic to one or the other.

<sarcastic>Hmm.. maybe surfers just like signing up to revshare accounts more than PPS..</sarcastic>

That is hands down the smartest thing I have ever heard on these boards. Finally an intelligent person. (Not being sarcastic)
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