The thread I started at abbywinters.com:
http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2798
And this was my last reply there
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How nice all this sympathy for Abby.
First of all, I was never and will never be an abbywinters.com affiliate. I choose my programs carefully and 50% on initial subscription and no rebills is, I think, the worst I've ever seen in this business.
Secondly, most of you clearly don't understand what it takes to be a GOOD and honest affiliate. Sure there are affiliates trying to make sales whatever it takes, as also there are pay site members trying to screw up the pay site owners with their charge backs and everything (talk to any pay site owner and he'll admit this).
I spend over $3k USD monthly alone on promoting my sponsors, it takes me about 8 hours DAILY (and not weekly as Abby tries to make you believe, there are affiliates spending this weekly and they don't make money), so don't anybody give me this shit about affiliates being people that make easy money! Making money as an affiliate is just as hard as making money as a pay site owner. And don't think I'm a big player. There are lots of people putting in MUCH more effort than I do.
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I did stumble upon AW thru a TGP/affiliate site. You wouldn't believe what my firewall had to fight off when I navigated that site.
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Then you visit the wrong TGPs. Visit The Hun (
http://www.thehun.com), the biggest TGP around. He chooses the galleries he lists very carefully and makes sure there are no pop-ups, or any shit in it, OR even in the sponsor pages they promote.
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I mean would you be happy if you put your whole effort into a site but had to give 50% of each join away?
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50% AND NO REBILLS, is the lowest I've ever seen in this industry. There are sponsors paying $40 to their affiliates, when the surfer only takes a tour of a few bucks. Why you ask? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S WORTH TO THEM! Ask any sponsor what is most important about a pay site and most of them will answer 'enough affiliates to promote it'.
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Now, 10 month later you already wake up and you start a crappy campaign against AW.com. Ten month there was nothing coming from your side (are you blind?) and now, suddenly the bomb explodes and you treat Abby as a ?dirty little shit?, your words.
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As I said, I'm not, and have never been an abbywinters.com affiliate. This was just spread around some adult webmaster boards.
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Within the past ten months you earned money with AW, or not?
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That would be a no, and the people who did sign-up for this affiliate program are a couple of morons, because they could have made at least double the money as they did with abbywinters.com
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Whaadaya know. Both Lifer and Ruus are from Amsterdam. Inconclusive, but interesting to know.
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I'm not from Amsterdam, and why would that be an interesting thing to know?
Don't get me wrong here. I understand that for surfers it's hard to understand what affiliates do and it looks like all they do is taking money. But you should see it this way, an affiliate is like the company that makes a TV commercial. Do any of you really think that they are getting their money without doing anything for it? Do any of you think that a brand like Coca Cola or Nike or whatever big name comes up to you would still be that big in another 10 years when they stopped promoting themselfs through those companies?
I can ensure you that affiliates are exactly the same as those commercial companies. The good ones KNOW how to promote a pay site and where to promote it. Affiliates are the ones that make pay sites big, NOT the pay site owner.
I'd be happy to show all of you some more insights of being an affiliate (btw, that's not the only thing I do), but I kind of have the feeling you all will still sympathise with Abby.
So in the meantime, let's talk about Abby. I see all of you are referring to Abby as a she. With me she goes for a female right? Well, Abby might be a clueless motherf*cker and one of the worst people to work with in the adult industry, calling this guy a woman is something I even wouldn't do.
Again, I'd be glad to explain some more details to you all, just let me know.
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Kind of like fucking around with those clueless surfers