Was having a discussion with someone the other day, and it came up that people who run galleries, or tgps or free sites or avs upsells or whatever can't compete with a mailer with a productive list. Do you think it's possible? Discuss.
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not in terms of raw joins, but since bulk mailing is at heart a scam and becoming illegal they'll beat you in the long run.Originally posted by jact
Was having a discussion with someone the other day, and it came up that people who run galleries, or tgps or free sites or avs upsells or whatever can't compete with a mailer with a productive list. Do you think it's possible? Discuss.
not ALL bulk mailers are scammers, but it's a scammy type of thing and even the 'good' ones won't be able to resist that easy money they're used to when it's no longer legal.
I could be wrong.Comment
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yep correct
good mailers easily generate 100s of signups a day
same with se spammers
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Your wrong.Originally posted by dig420
not in terms of raw joins, but since bulk mailing is at heart a scam and becoming illegal they'll beat you in the long run.
not ALL bulk mailers are scammers, but it's a scammy type of thing and even the 'good' ones won't be able to resist that easy money they're used to when it's no longer legal.
I could be wrong.
Have you heard of the CanSpam law?
Went into effect January 1 2004, signed by George W. Bush.
Spam is legal as long as you follow a couple of requirements.Comment
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IMO, mailers cannot compete with TGP galleries, AVS, or freesites.
However, it is a tricky business to get into, and the consequences for taking a step into the wrong place are very high.Comment
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no I can'tComment
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Interesting take on it. An established mailer can send 100 - 500 joins in a mailing, and a run of the mill webmaster sends what? 500 - 1000 sales a month?Originally posted by AdultNex
IMO, mailers cannot compete with TGP galleries, AVS, or freesites.
However, it is a tricky business to get into, and the consequences for taking a step into the wrong place are very high.Free agentComment
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It's a fine line, but I'm talking about opt-in, legit mailers.Originally posted by CAHEK
mailer=spammer ?Free agentComment
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TRAX, do you have ICQ ?Originally posted by Trax
yep correct
good mailers easily generate 100s of signups a day
same with se spammers
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Legit opt-in mailers? Good luck finding some.Originally posted by jact
It's a fine line, but I'm talking about opt-in, legit mailers.
Everyone buys or trades lists these days.Comment
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exactly, I dont see the best gallery-freesite-tgp guy competing even remotely close with a real mailerOriginally posted by jact
Interesting take on it. An established mailer can send 100 - 500 joins in a mailing, and a run of the mill webmaster sends what? 500 - 1000 sales a month?Comment
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I'm surprised you wouldn't be close to competing, you had more than a handful of good SE listings (and still do).Originally posted by strobi
no I can't
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The stats for a run-of-the-mill webmaster is a bit overstated. I'm thinking 150 sales a month sounds reasonable (averaging about 4 sales a day).Originally posted by jact
Interesting take on it. An established mailer can send 100 - 500 joins in a mailing, and a run of the mill webmaster sends what? 500 - 1000 sales a month?Comment
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Well I do mailings too (own harvested double optin) doing 6K$/mailing (200 joins)... it's a startOriginally posted by AdultNex
I'm surprised you wouldn't be close to competing, you had more than a handful of good SE listings (and still do).
And the google thingie.. no way near 100 joins/day. Not by a long shot
Last edited by strobi; 02-18-2004, 04:06 PM.Comment
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Really that low? Damn, I guess more people need to go back to McD's.Originally posted by AdultNex
The stats for a run-of-the-mill webmaster is a bit overstated. I'm thinking 150 sales a month sounds reasonable (averaging about 4 sales a day).Free agentComment
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I know that's where I was at whenever I first started into this industry.Originally posted by jact
Really that low? Damn, I guess more people need to go back to McD's.
500 is a bit too high, considering at $30 a sale, that's like $15,000/month.Comment
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Wow, I was so out of the loop doing the content thing for 3 years I lost touch with it. Crazy!Originally posted by AdultNex
I know that's where I was at whenever I first started into this industry.
500 is a bit too high, considering at $30 a sale, that's like $15,000/month.Free agentComment
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Apart from the money thing... the work for (SE) spamming is so much more bearable (and interesting) than the daily grind of running TGPs.Comment
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dig
i'll take a prepay off you for some signups, if you have any money that isn't tied up in floppy projects
mind you, even if i did scam you, you wouldn't notice because your so high and cracked out all the time
look its jact! my favourite "let's make up imaginary numbers and bill them for it!"Last edited by DollahDave; 02-18-2004, 04:14 PM.Comment
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Imaginary my ass. Don't you have some scams you could be pulling you worthless piece of shit?Originally posted by DollahDave
look its jact! my favourite "let's make up imaginary numbers and bill them for it!"Free agentComment
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Yes,
My bible scam. It is a unique scam, composed by one of the nets biggest thiefs.
I see you have internet jact, welfare cheques must be coming through like clockwork!Comment
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It hasn't come in yet, boy do I ever hope they don't cut me off! I wasn't able to pay them last month!Originally posted by DollahDave
Yes,
My bible scam. It is a unique scam, composed by one of the nets biggest thiefs.
I see you have internet jact, welfare cheques must be coming through like clockwork!
Idiot.Free agentComment
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I have a problem with your website.
For some reason the totals don't make sense?
JactContent.com
"Your shopping cart contents
Product Name Price Remove Item
Ayesha #13 $4.00 Remove
Judes #3 $7.00 Remove
TOTAL $11.00
Price we will REALLY bill you for, $1100.00
This purchase will earn you 11 JRP which you may redeem for even more content!
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This is what i am talking about!Comment
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I'd like some of whatever it is you're smoking.Originally posted by DollahDave
I have a problem with your website.
For some reason the totals don't make sense?
JactContent.com
"Your shopping cart contents
Product Name Price Remove Item
Ayesha #13 $4.00 Remove
Judes #3 $7.00 Remove
TOTAL $11.00
Price we will REALLY bill you for, $1100.00
This purchase will earn you 11 JRP which you may redeem for even more content!
"
This is what i am talking about!Free agentComment
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I have never bought or traded a list or a nameOriginally posted by AdultNex
Legit opt-in mailers? Good luck finding some.
Everyone buys or trades lists these days.
all my names are double opt and I know where I collect em fromComment
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Jact,
Maybe your programmer is high. Wait, you can't afford a programmer, who's script did you steal for the shopping cart?Comment
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There was a clearance sale on at K-Mart that day. Lucky for me welfare checks had just come in!Originally posted by DollahDave
Jact,
Maybe your programmer is high. Wait, you can't afford a programmer, who's script did you steal for the shopping cart?
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I'm gonna report you to welfare, you seem to be overcharging people alright...Comment
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You'd be in a vast minority then.Originally posted by dailyduke
I have never bought or traded a list or a name
all my names are double opt and I know where I collect em fromComment
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We don't share workers anymore, do you need my workers number?Originally posted by DollahDave
I'm gonna report you to welfare, you seem to be overcharging people alright...
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I've never needed financial assistance
I would just call up your wife and hoe her out, although she wouldn't make me much being the fat lazy biotch she is
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to go back on topic: yes there are legit honest mailers outthere too! people who work their ass off to get some nice join4free sites up with real niche specific content for the surfer.
Nothing as good as a fresh list of niche specific emails! Anyone who trades their legit list is crazy IMHOComment
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u guys wanna smoke 1? i dont really care about mailers or anything right now. just more conserned with this green
so whats up, what u doing tonight? anything of intrest?want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.Comment
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Yeah, you're my hero.Originally posted by DollahDave
I've never needed financial assistance
I would just call up your wife and hoe her out, although she wouldn't make me much being the fat lazy biotch she is
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maybe question for good guy sleazy dream. why arent you here bitching about your VIP ELITE TGP parties and bitching about your position on sextracker?Originally posted by Trax
yep correct
good mailers easily generate 100s of signups a day
same with se spammers
Lesson learned, dont use sextracker as your source of own success, there is not a lot of money in it:-)Comment
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