This is BULL SHIT (GFY CNN)

**stocktrader23** · 10-01-2004, 12:04 AM

Nope, but watching the fucking debate did.

**Lev** · 10-01-2004, 12:05 AM

Well we will find out the real results soon. But I think only a narrow minded person would say that Bush won this debate.

**pornJester** · 10-01-2004, 12:07 AM

Looks like the participants were interviewed. Not just some random internet poll.

**AdPatron** · 10-01-2004, 12:07 AM

On the MSNBC website, they have like 700K people polling...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733/

**uchase/webpry** · 10-01-2004, 12:10 AM

... I have a masters in ecconomics and 4 semesters of statistics, believe me, polling 615 is almost enough. you could pretty much hold the ellection based on randomly selected 2000 people.

**AdPatron** · 10-01-2004, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by pornJester
Looks like the participants were interviewed. Not just some random internet poll.

They should have interviewed like 5000 people.

**AdPatron** · 10-01-2004, 12:15 AM

... I have a masters in ecconomics and 4 semesters of statistics, believe me, polling 615 is almost enough. you could pretty much hold the ellection based on randomly selected 2000 people.

615 is not enough. The US population is 294 million. That's only .0002%. I took stats too in college and any professor would tell you that's not a good sampling to determine anything.

**Verbal** · 10-01-2004, 12:18 AM

MSNBC: 739464 responses

Prez Bush: 31% Sen. Kerry: 69%

Pretty convincing stats

**pornJester** · 10-01-2004, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by CollegeSucks
They should have interviewed like 5000 people.

Look at it as a focus group.

Interviewing 5000 people would most likely cost about 8 times as much in time and money.

**bringer** · 10-01-2004, 12:26 AM

polling people is worthless data

**AdPatron** · 10-01-2004, 12:32 AM

Look at it as a focus group.

Interviewing 5000 people would most likely cost about 8 times as much in time and money.

My point is that you can't "focus" anything just interviewing 615 people. There are also more factors that weaken their results....

1) What state the people interviewed are from.
2) The population of the states they're from.
3) The percentages of who likes who in each state.

I could keep going down to county and city -lol. Now, a good poll would be to take one random person from each zip code or say 100 from each area code, but as you said, that would take too much time and money.

**AdPatron** · 10-01-2004, 12:33 AM

Oh well, we have what... 2 more debate left?

**bringer** · 10-01-2004, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by CollegeSucks
My point is that you can't "focus" anything just interviewing 615 people. There are also more factors that weaken their results....

1) What state the people interviewed are from.
2) The population of the states they're from.
3) The percentages of who likes who in each state.

I could keep going down to county and city -lol. Now, a good poll would be to take one random person from each zip code or say 100 from each area code, but as you said, that would take too much time and money.

or they could poll rednecks at a nascar event.... or maybe bill maher's audience
its worthless data

**AdPatron** · 10-01-2004, 12:55 AM

So you're saying if every person on the US was polled, it would be "worthless data"?

**kowntafit** · 10-01-2004, 05:52 AM

They are only polls though. It isn't like the election is riding on it.

**ATL_Ryan** · 10-01-2004, 05:59 AM

Over a million votes now.

Who won the debate? * 1326179 responses

Pres. Bush 37% Sen. Kerry 63%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733/

**TheLegacy** · 10-01-2004, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by CollegeSucks
So you're saying if every person on the US was polled, it would be "worthless data"?

the data wouldnt be worthless, but CNN and other news stations can twist the data to whatever they want. I dont trust the news stations when the announcers and people behind it are clearly Bush supporters.

**spanky part 2** · 10-01-2004, 06:01 AM

Hello, thats how all polls are......a few people.

All these polls that are being done, are normally around 1000 people. Here's the good part, It's based on the last elections data.

So if there were 10 % black, 5% hispanic 40% women the last time the held a vote, that's the percentages they poll. Talk about skewed.

Ya think that maybe a few more people are gonna vote this time than last. Seeing as Bush stole the election and with it being so close.

The best thing I have heard is that Colorado has an initiative ont heir ballot that gives out electoral votes by percentage of popular votes the candidate won. If it passes it will be used on this election.

Lets hope this catches on and every state in the union does it.

**Cassie** · 10-01-2004, 06:03 AM

just read the gallup polls
Gallup

**matthewC** · 10-01-2004, 06:05 AM

kerry totaly won

quite obvious

bush is a war monger idiot, no good for the usa

wait till he fucks with iran, then he'll really have his ass kicked

**mardigras** · 10-01-2004, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by TheLegacy
the data wouldnt be worthless, but CNN and other news stations can twist the data to whatever they want. I dont trust the news stations when the announcers and people behind it are clearly Bush supporters.

A nearby AM talk radio station switched to being a Fox affiliate last month. To hear them tell it this morning the debate was a tie with Bush coming off better.

The other day I read that most polls are based on "likely voters" which are those registered voters that have voted in recent elections. Most of the polls aren't including the people who have registered to vote for the first time. That not only includes young folks but also older folks who have not voted in years but have had their interest rekindled by current events.

**Libertine** · 10-01-2004, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by CollegeSucks
615 is not enough. The US population is 294 million. That's only .0002%. I took stats too in college and any professor would tell you that's not a good sampling to determine anything.

Quite obviously, you failed stats in college. On a 250 million population (children don't vote), a sample of 615 people, with a confidence level of 95%, gives a margin of error of 3.95%.

This is BULL SHIT (GFY CNN)

This is BULL SHIT (GFY CNN)

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