Matt Drudge WRONG... Kerry Story Untrue

Long post.

Drudge is just another attention seeking whore on the internet.

We don't know if it's true or untrue. The latest story just says the lady in question is denying it. That's all. What makes the denial more convincing than the allegations? Sure, Drudge is guilty of reporting stuff with minimal backup, but a simple denial doesn't make it untrue. This story is far from over.

I gotta disagree. If she came forward and made a statement to the contrary the issue is dead in the water.

Anything coming from the news after this disclosure is dangerously bordering on the edge of libel. No newsman worth his salt is gonna pursue it unless one of the two or both parties involved issue statements contradictory.

It looks like another case of a sig whore ( Drudge ) jumping the gun trying to reclaim past glory after the Lewinsky scandal.

Monica came out with the same statement at first.

oh, and this chicks parents just called kerry a sleazball last week just for fun.

even though the chick came out and denied the charges, drudge still has the kerry smear all over his site.

drudge is a mouth piece for the right wing.

he keeps his homosexuality deep in the closet.

when he's outed hes done.

They are going to dig at everything they can on both sides... Everybody knows this will be a knock down drag-out fight untill November...

Kerry's anti-war thing, and this alledged infidelity...
the vietnam attack on that village...

But I think Bush will definitely be on the losing side of any mud slinging contest...

The national guard thing won't go away...
He has the whole peroid of time where he was making private sector oil deals from dubious funding sources...

The partying and good time by the pres...
the drinking...
the coke usage?

Yeah, the dems were saving all their tricks for this election, they didn't think they needed them last time.

Oh, and the national gaurd thing is going to blow up in the dems face. Normal people don't buy into this shit.

It's extremely difficult for a public figure to establish libel. "Actual Malice" must be demonstrated (actual knowlege of a falsity). This story is also being pursued to some degree in the UK. To come to a conclusion about the "truth" of this story at this point is naive, or simply serves to illustrate your personal bias on the issue. Just as Drudge first reported the Kerry allegation, he was just as quick to report the "Not Me" story. This story probably has a long way to go, and we've just seen the beginning. A denial by a woman who conveniently left the country isn't going to do much to quiet it.

I can't imagine how ugly this shit is going to get at the end of the summer when the REAL stakes are high and bush unloads his $100 Million in Smear Money.

Remember Monica denied it at first also....

www.lmlive.com

i like how the left now says drudge is a right wing. Thats comical. He and guys like bill o reilly hate each other.

Profit comes before political agenda. Just because someone says something bad about a democrat dosent make them right wing.


imo this girl got paid off some big money. This whole thing was the reason Gore didnt take him as a running mate. He has to ahve some dirty laundry.

Which part do normal ppl not believe?

Bush's political influence got G.W. into the national guard? or him being AWOL?

Or the contrast between Kerry's service record and Bush's service record?

Which part...I'm sort of confused about your explanation.

Are you saying American's don't care about a war record now that a Republican is in office?

Or they don't believe the evidence brought forth yet to decide?

Republicans were the first to bring up the national guard service b.t.w. when they compared McCain's record to Bush's.

Better cool the jets their, Sherlock, because it appears Drudge scooped them all again: http://drudgereport.com/mattjk7.htm

Kerry is going down.

I agree with this.

That ain't no scoop! It's the same rehashed stuff Drudge has been reporting for the past week or so.

It ain't even the headlined stuff on Drudge's site.

They tried the same thing with Bush and his military record and when the records finally proved the story false they tried to dig up dumb shit like "Well there's no record of him eating lunch etc. "

They're all out for blood.

If I recall Drudge already admitted to being homosexual and was seeking treatment to combat it.

It don't take a rocket scientist to figure that out just listening to his show and the way he conducts himself. I think one of the big movie stars outted him after an incident where the star was harrassed by Drudge and he let it out.

It don't matter what Drudge does with his dick, it's his destiny.

The right and left use Drudge's site as a soapbox attack on each other. His site is popular cause it's basically text based and updated with the latest news and gossip. One click-one glance and you've got your news.

Sorta like The Hun. Simple website design, delivers what it promises and updates frequently.

You don't believe Drudge is a right winger?

What I think is funny is that all the democrats said GW never served, proof came out that he did and they got it shoved right in their fucking face.

I also find it ironic that the same man who now says "I was a Lt. in the vietnam war" was actively protesting the war he was fighting to win, while he was in the service. Not to mention they have the picture of him and Hanoi Jane at the same fucking rally. Just the shear fact that Kerry rallied with that bitch he should not be elected.

Anyhow its amazing that when Matt Drudge a reporter known to stretch the truth comes up with something like this he is a joke, yet the BBC can continuously make shit up and no one says a word. Only recently has anything even been done about the BBC. Take all news reported with a grain of salt, read it , then research some more and form your own opinion.

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"I mean you can't believe a word Matt Drudge says," O'Reilly told the cameras. "Now you've got the Matt Drudges of the world and these other people, Michael Moore and all of these crazies, all right, no responsibility... that is a threat to democracy, I think." O'Reilly warned: "They'll just spin it and twist it and take it out of proportion every which way."
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Just to set the record straight, Drudge did not invent the intern story. His report was on the media probe behind the allegation. You can see the original Drudge story at http://www.drudgereport.com/mattjk1.htm . This story was in play before Drudge ever mentioned it.

So far, the Drudge haters formula in this thread has been:

1) Attempt to proclaim his reporting "WRONG" simply because of a denial

proceed to step two

2) Attempt to discredit his reporting by claiming obvious right wing bias

proceed to step three

3) Attempt to discredit his reporting by playing the homosexual card.

Pathetic

hehe

Proof? Even the papers that Bush released showed no record of him serving for part of his duty.

You still believe Bush really served his time in the Guard?

Too much Rush Limbaugh for you.

Whats funny is GW'S alluding like he was actually in Vietnam.

gw didnt serve in vietnam he was a fucking gaurdsman stateside, if you call what he did "serving your country" your a deluded asshole.

plus ole GW wa AWOL during his teneture in Alabama.

a few paystubs and a dental chart doesnt mean shit.


as for kerry's actions, he did what a soldier is ordered to do, he fought. he didnt go AWOL.

when his tour of duty was over he voiced his opinion about the war.

as for the jane fonda picture, that wasnt kerry either in the background.

as for calling jane fonda "hanoi jane" and your thoughts on kerry being elected because of association shows your age and you prob trust the goverment and believe the warren comission's 1 bullet theory.

The american way is being able to have a diffrence of opinion, and to be labeled "un american" because of an opposite opinion is un american.

the assholes who yell " un american" are the same assholes who wrap themselves in the flag and have a bible their hand professing their belief in christianity and "god and country".

99% of christians dont believe, dont know or deny christianities foundations comes from/based on judiasim, and that jesus was a jew.

I cant wait till we all meet our maker.

i actually like drudge and i vote independent.

I only brought up his sexuality because how many right wingers like homo's?

not many, unless its their intern.

My War
By LARRY DAVID

I couldn't be happier that President Bush has stood up for having served in the National Guard, because I can finally put an end to all those who questioned my motives for enlisting in the Army Reserve at the height of the Vietnam War. I can't tell you how many people thought I had signed up just to avoid going to Vietnam. Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I was itching to go over there. I was just out of college and, let's face it, you can't buy that kind of adventure. More important, I wanted to do my part in saving that tiny country from the scourge of Communism. We had to draw the line somewhere, and if not me, then who?

But I also knew that our country was being torn asunder by opposition to the war. Who would be here to defend the homeland against civil unrest? Or what if some national emergency should arise? We needed well-trained men on the ready to deal with any situation. It began to dawn on me that perhaps my country needed me more at home than overseas. Sure, being a reservist wasn't as glamorous, but I was the one who had to look at myself in the mirror.

Even though the National Guard and Army Reserve see combat today, it rankles me that people assume it was some kind of waltz in the park back then. If only. Once a month, for an entire weekend ? I'm talking eight hours Saturday and Sunday ? we would meet in a dank, cold airplane hangar. The temperature in that hangar would sometimes get down to 40 degrees, and very often I had to put on long underwear, which was so restrictive I suffered from an acute vascular disorder for days afterward. Our captain was a strict disciplinarian who wouldn't think twice about not letting us wear sneakers or breaking up a poker game if he was in ill humor. Once, they took us into the woods and dropped us off with nothing but compasses and our wits. One wrong move and I could've wound up on Queens Boulevard. Fortunately, I had the presence of mind to find my way out of there and back to the hangar. Some of my buddies did not fare as well and had to call their parents to come and get them.

Then in the summer we would go away to camp for two weeks. It felt more like three. I wondered if I'd ever see my parakeet again. We slept on cots and ate in the International House of Pancakes. I learned the first night that IHOP's not the place to order fish. When the two weeks were up, I came home a changed man. I would often burst into tears for no apparent reason and suffered recurring nightmares about drowning in blueberry syrup. If I hadn't been so strapped for cash, I would've sought the aid of a psychiatrist.

In those days, reserve duty lasted for six years, which, I might add, was three times as long as service in the regular army, although to be perfectly honest, I was unable to fulfill my entire obligation because I was taking acting classes and they said I could skip my last year. I'll always be eternally grateful to the Pentagon for allowing me to pursue my dreams.

Still, after all this time, whenever I've mentioned my service in the Reserve during Vietnam, it's been met with sneers and derision. But now, thanks to President Bush, I can stand up proudly alongside him and all the other guys who guarded the home front. Finally, we no longer have to be embarrassed about our contribution during those very trying years

OH I could agree with you on alot of this.

Our news has turned into tabloid-gossip mongering. Pros know how to spin that. People love gossip. News had to accomodate or lose readership.

In the old days if you didn't have 3 verfiable sources it wouldn't hit print.

That's slacked off so much over the past 20+ years thanks to Rupert Murdoch. UK press for the most part. Their sales skyrocket with the latest gossip.

In Drudge's case he brings up news no one will tackle. Jeff Rense and a few others do as well. Usually months or even years before the mainstream.

In this case we see both Bush and Kerry getting hit with gossip. When both are asked to defend themselves they use sometimes similar means. Yet when the public makes up their minds it don't matter if you tied them to a lie detector.

As for Bush's military record there's no telling where he was or what he had to do. Military records are never exact. Guys are sent on certain maneuvers, training etc. that aren't supposed to be logged. Missions or surveillance. Bush as a pilot and political intrigue with big ties to the intelligence community only had to say he was on special assignments and that was that. It's nobody's business where he was unless he was committing some crime or something.

Pilots are a different breed. They often have to consult and test and dig through machinery to troubleshoot. Most of that classified. It's obvious he trained and did whatever but trying to get all the nuts and bolts ain't gonna work here. If he hadn't trained he wouldn't have been allowed to fly multi-million dollar aircraft and do million dollar training. Plain and simple.

As for Kerry, he said he didn't, she said she didn't. Unless someone comes up with something solid to the contrary everything else is just speculative bs.

Well said! People think that way about the Coast Guard. Lemme tell you, back when I was in high school deciding on what branch to join ( missed 'Nam by 18 months ) the LAST place I was gonna sign up was the Coast Guard. Them boys saw action every freakin' day. First tour my best buddy was on was a multi-million dollar haul of dope and diamonds. Had to shoot a guy too. Coast Guard is no friggin' joke nor are reserves or National Guard. It's not a sit back and wait job. Often you may find Guardsman using technology the main branches don't use. Guardsman not only have to worry about multi-environmental combat but URBAN to boot! That's the scary shit, the urban stuff the guys in Iraq are fighting.

Don't take Guardsman for short by any means. In some respects it's way tougher because they have to consider the strong probability that they'll have to go into domestic situations and any cop will tell you those are the most dangerous situations of all. That takes special-special training.

Kerry could be at protest rallies, thats his right as a american but he did go there and fought. Where Bush hid in Texas and Alabama, I think there was very little chance of the viet cong showing up in those places. This by a man who has the balls to say he is a war time President. I think we should go back to the old days, a leader waged war he rode into battle at the front of the line.

Um, dude. Did you miss the humor in that piece you quoted? Ya know, like:

that's some funny shit

Normal people are tired of having their president accused of being AWOL with zero proof and then having him asked to prove that he wasn't AWOL and then having to listen to how its a big cover up because records from 30 years ago aren't at everyone's fingertips.
That's like me accusing you of shitting your pants as a kid and then demanding that you produce clean 30yr old underwear to disprove it.

The people that buy into this AWOL slander are a vocal minority that will do the dems no favors come election day.

So you have a pulse on normal folks?

Or, are you just guessing? ;)

Too long story to read bro...

Are you sure you aren't talking about the right wing Whitewater investigation of Clinton? Now your guy is on the defensive and it's not fair?

Bush's popularity is dropping almost as fast as Howard Dean's, so your point about nobody caring seems to be wrong too.

I don't care about the missing 12 months or about Bush's service in the Guard. I think that's a non-story. We all know he had strings pulled and got out easy. BUT, I do think it's BECOME relevant to this election.

As a country in wartime, Kerry's experience becomes relevant. He showed tremendous courage in combat, referred to by those who were there as a "true warrior." The one thing I've heard many times about Kerry is that he is at his absolute best when under fire and pressure. We need that. Add to that being a DA, a lieutenant governor and 4 terms as a Senator and you have one truly experienced candidate.

Add to that the fact that the lack of WMD has brought Bush's credibility into question, raising other questions about his character.

The question now is: Did Bush's lack of combat experience make it easy for him to send men and women to die for dubious reasons? Did it make him trigger-happy?

I've always noticed that men who have faced true combat always champion using war as a last resort. Whereby those without the experience are prone to shooting first and asking questions later, they simply don't understand what war is or the sacrifice it asks of it's brave soldiers.

Kerry's achievements in Vietnam and beyond show a tremendous amount of character. More than me that's for sure.

Gore's problem was he wasn't a "leader". Kerry has that quality and has proven it in times of great need. And beyond that, he promises to be a global leader. We need a global leader now more than ever.

John Kerry once ran with the bulls in Pamplona. He was trampled by a bull, got up and chased that bull until he caught it and grabbed it by the horns. His life is filled with much of the same.

That's the kind of President I want

JMHO

I suggest you read his record in the senate. If He'd have gotten his way, America would be grabbing its ankles right now.

Sex scandles... so what... look what it did for clinton... he gets a BJ in the white house and his approval rating goes way up. Now, what does that tell you about our society?