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How many webmasters would an average size paysite have?

09-29-2004, 01:19 AM

OK I know what you are going to say, "What's average?"

So let's say a paysite with 1,000 members.

How many webmasters would that need to get that number of members, assuming it was mainstream good teen porn, solo, two girl and boy girl?

10 - 20

50 - 75

200 - 300

500+

!,000+

And howmuch would the sponsor have to give out in FHGs and free content to the webmasters?

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09-29-2004, 01:20 AM

wouldn't it depend on how much the webmasters promote it?
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09-29-2004, 01:21 AM

i think 200-300 is enough
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09-29-2004, 01:25 AM

5000+ if you have no traffic of your own, and you get the regular 0-3 signups per month webmasters.

3 if you get a few whales to promote you and have traffic of your own.

..and I'm off.
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09-29-2004, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
5000+ if you have no traffic of your own, and you get the regular 0-3 signups per month webmasters.

3 if you get a few whales to promote you and have traffic of your own.

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09-29-2004, 01:30 AM

Alot of webmasters will come to you if you got freehosted galleries BUT 80% of them will send you 5-20 hits day....

Your site have to be something extra if you want webmasters to send some serious traffic....
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09-29-2004, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by reynold
i think 200-300 is enough

LOL! If you say total database you would only have prolly 20 people promoting your site activly out of those webmasters..

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09-29-2004, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by More Booze
Alot of webmasters will come to you if you got freehosted galleries BUT 80% of them will send you 5-20 hits day....

Your site have to be something extra if you want webmasters to send some serious traffic....

Yes I always reckoned FHGs were for those who could not afford to buy $30 worth of content for a gallery they can put on 100 TGP sites.

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09-29-2004, 01:55 AM

for 1000 members lets say 1000 affiliates, but I doubt a paysite with 1000 members is average, maybe 5-10k members is a middle sized paysite. With 1000 members you will make less than promoting other sponsors. Content, bandwitch, affiliates %(higher % for the best ones), processor fees, etc...
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09-29-2004, 01:56 AM

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Yes I always reckoned FHGs were for those who could not afford to buy $30 worth of content for a gallery they can put on 100 TGP sites.

charly, why don't you set up a cam studio over there?

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09-29-2004, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
for 1000 members lets say 1000 affiliates, but I doubt a paysite with 1000 members is average, maybe 5-10k members is a middle sized paysite. With 1000 members you will make less than promoting other sponsors. Content, bandwitch, affiliates %(higher % for the best ones), processor fees, etc...

1,000 members @ $30 a month = $30,00
Content 5 sets a day $3,000 to $5,000
Affiliates account for 1 sign up in 3 members stay two monts on avarage. = $5,000
B/W hosting, etc $5,000
Processing $3,000

Profit $12,000 and rising. How many webmasters make that CLEAR. After they have bought content, B/W, design, etc?

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09-29-2004, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23
charly, why don't you set up a cam studio over there?

Because there are 40 already here in Brno, they need running 24/7 and we make more money selling content.

But if you want to I can help you out.

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09-29-2004, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by charly
1,000 members @ $30 a month = $30,00
Content 5 sets a day $3,000 to $5,000
Affiliates account for 1 sign up in 3 members stay two monts on avarage. = $5,000
B/W hosting, etc $5,000
Processing $3,000

Profit $12,000 and rising. How many webmasters make that CLEAR. After they have bought content, B/W, design, etc?

1,000 members @ $30 a month = $30 000
affiliates = 60%(most will get only 50%, but you have to give 60-70% to the big guys)
YOU = 12 000
Content 5 sets a day $3,000 to $5,000
YOU = 7 000
B/W hosting, etc $5,000
Processing (16% - ccbill) $5,000
YOU = -$3000
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09-29-2004, 02:16 AM

5% of your affiliates bring in 95% of the money . . . so you only need 1 or 2
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09-29-2004, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by charly
Yes I always reckoned FHGs were for those who could not afford to buy $30 worth of content for a gallery they can put on 100 TGP sites.

maybe you can explain to me why someone would want to purchase content for a TGP that is going to promote a site where none of that content will be found.

you see, when TGP's first came about they were meant to give samples to show the surfer what he was going to buy a membership to (hopefully).
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09-29-2004, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
1,000 members @ $30 a month = $30 000
affiliates = 60%(most will get only 50%, but you have to give 60-70% to the big guys)
YOU = 12 000
Content 5 sets a day $3,000 to $5,000
YOU = 7 000
B/W hosting, etc $5,000
Processing (16% - ccbill) $5,000
YOU = -$3000

LOL! then you're doing something wrong if thats the way it works out for ya....

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09-29-2004, 02:23 AM

maybe you can explain to me why someone would want to purchase content for a TGP that is going to promote a site where none of that content will be found.

Exactly my thoughts...
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09-29-2004, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by media
LOL! then you're doing something wrong if thats the way it works out for ya....

I didnt say it works like this for me, I just took Charlies numbers and made them real.
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09-29-2004, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by charly
Because there are 40 already here in Brno, they need running 24/7 and we make more money selling content.

But if you want to I can help you out.

You live in Brno? I went on a vaction nearby years ago
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09-29-2004, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
I doubt a paysite with 1000 members is average, maybe 5-10k members is a middle sized paysite. .

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09-29-2004, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by Mutt
BWAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH.......... i can always count on this place for at least one good LOL a day.

if 1000 members means a middle-sized paysite to you, then you are a loser
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09-29-2004, 02:47 AM

again.........

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09-29-2004, 02:47 AM

1000 members maybe is a middle sized paysite if you promote it your self with no webmasters........thats my

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09-29-2004, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by Nicky
1000 members maybe is a middle sized paysite if you promote it your self with no webmasters........thats my

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09-29-2004, 02:50 AM

average is about 500-1000

good is 1000-4000

awesome is 4000 and above.

Mind you many networks have 10 sites with 5-6k members per site.

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09-29-2004, 02:53 AM

The average is impossible to determine unless you have access to a billing company's records.
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09-29-2004, 02:57 AM

Offer me 1000+ FHG's in total, a few good converting, exclusive paysites and I can send you a LOT of signups
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09-29-2004, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
average is about 500-1000

how can this be average when it can be reached within few weeks?
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09-29-2004, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by Bike
Offer me 1000+ FHG's in total, a few good converting, exclusive paysites and I can send you a LOT of signups

Hey Mike,
did you add my FHGs already?
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09-29-2004, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
Hey Mike,
did you add my FHGs already?

Hi,

Not sure, I think the descriptions are already made but they haven't been added to the gallery databases yet. We try to add them once a week or so
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09-29-2004, 03:03 AM

Depends on who you're target to.Real but small webmasters, bigger webmasters or whales.

If you're going with the "Make easy money in adult with less work" flow you'll get lots of webmasters that'll never send you any traffic.

Small ones will get you 1-5 signups per month bigger 1-5 per day and whales 15-50 per day.

If you do the work of checking every affiliate signup and contacting the person, asking for sites ways he'll promote you etc. you'll get definately more real webmasters.
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09-29-2004, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by Bike
Hi,

Not sure, I think the descriptions are already made but they haven't been added to the gallery databases yet. We try to add them once a week or so

I have a complete export tool with descriptions, etc. You could use that if you are happy with 3-4 word descriptions.
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09-29-2004, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
1,000 members @ $30 a month = $30 000
affiliates = 60%(most will get only 50%, but you have to give 60-70% to the big guys)
YOU = 12 000
Content 5 sets a day $3,000 to $5,000
YOU = 7 000
B/W hosting, etc $5,000
Processing (16% - ccbill) $5,000
YOU = -$3000

Avg sign ups per day: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=103026

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You guys are funny...

I know program owners that only do 100 signups a day that live in million dollar homes and drive high end cars.

Per signup programs make more than $10 a signup after the payout.

Math is simple, we can use industry average numbers to do the math. This is done on 50 signups daily to a normal paysite.

-- 50 signups x 4.95 X 30 days = $7425
-- 1500 signups in a month at 35% trial to convert (525) = $20973
-- Out of 50 signups daily that is around 25000 uniques daily.
25,000 uniques daily will produce around 18000 people viewing the exit daily. Out of 18,000 1:1800 will signup for something.
10 signups X $35 = $3500
-- 1500 signups in a month will produce 450 cross sales at $15 each comes out to $6750
-- 1500 signups produces 90% active e-mails, emails are worth on average $20 per (on cc e-mails) so 1350 x $20 = $27000

Total with no recurring made the paysite owner earns..
$65648

The paysite owner paid out: $52500

Now, factors that earn the paysite owner more money are...
He probally get's some SE traffic, type in traffic, produces some of his own traffic, has recurring, 2% of all signups will forget, program errors will cause signup drops, not all paysites convert at 1:500 some do better some are a traffic drain, upsales in the members areas, opt in e-mails on the front of the paysites, ppc deals with very low signup rates and a good amount of other things.

Now, the fact is some paysites are under the 'average' ofcourse which means some do better than others. Yes it means some shave but while I think most don't.

BTW, this would be a successfull paysite... Earning an easy 100k+ after some recurring started to build in.

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09-29-2004, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
I have a complete export tool with descriptions, etc. You could use that if you are happy with 3-4 word descriptions.

We always write our own descriptions, don't want the same ones as every other TGP that's using your FHG's
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09-29-2004, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by Bike
We always write our own descriptions, don't want the same ones as every other TGP that's using your FHG's
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09-29-2004, 03:32 AM

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Avg sign ups per day: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=103026

???????? Those are numbers for a PPS program with exits, cross-sales and 50 sales a day, that means thousands of members after few months, even more after 1-2 years. I bet Charly would start with revshare and therefore no exits and no cross-sales.
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09-29-2004, 04:43 AM

1000+ definetly

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09-29-2004, 05:18 AM

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09-29-2004, 06:00 AM

Nobody is factoring in the Cross sales, exits, dialers, checks, upsales, etc. This is where the money is made after payouts.
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09-29-2004, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by CJ_Ryan
Nobody is factoring in the Cross sales, exits, dialers, checks, upsales, etc. This is where the money is made after payouts.

because we are talking about revshare, not PPS, so no cross-sales, exits...
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09-29-2004, 08:16 AM

If I had a good small to medium size paysite and did not
bother with the extra admin work of obtaining affiliates
and managed with my own promo to have 500 members
a month I would be a very happy person or am I wrong?
I never had my own paysite but sometimes I consider it.

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09-29-2004, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Marco Galante
If I had a good small to medium size paysite and did not
bother with the extra admin work of obtaining affiliates
and managed with my own promo to have 500 members
a month I would be a very happy person or am I wrong?
I never had my own paysite but sometimes I consider it.

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500 members is maybe 10k$ a month. You need to pay hosting/content/scripts/design etc. so there wouldn't be much left of that 10k$. I would NOT be happy if I had my own paysite with only 500 members....

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09-29-2004, 08:42 AM

I wonder does the 80/20 rule apply here like in sales. Where 20 percent of the webmasters make 80 percent of the sales. I can see in our own small small program, we have a bunch of people who signed up and did nothing with it .
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09-29-2004, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by charly
OK I know what you are going to say, "What's average?"

And howmuch would the sponsor have to give out in FHGs and free content to the webmasters?

1000+ FHG's, all with unique, not too short descriptions, everything listed in one single pipe delimited txt file.

Plus epassporte payout option, no consoles, no traffic leaks, detailed real time stats

With the above features I would include you in my databases and many others too I am sure
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09-29-2004, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
if 1000 members means a middle-sized paysite to you, then you are a loser

No, he's a CONTENT PROVIDER... and unless I miss my guess, a rather successful one. Obviously thinking about getting into paysites.

maybe you can explain to me why someone would want to purchase content for a TGP that is going to promote a site where none of that content will be found.

So your galleries don't get rejected for having EXACTLY the same content as 150 other people who submitted that day?

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09-29-2004, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Bike
Offer me 1000+ FHG's in total, a few good converting, exclusive paysites and I can send you a LOT of signups

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09-29-2004, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by tony404
I wonder does the 80/20 rule apply here like in sales. Where 20 percent of the webmasters make 80 percent of the sales. I can see in our own small small program, we have a bunch of people who signed up and did nothing with it .

more like 95/5
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09-30-2004, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by baddog
maybe you can explain to me why someone would want to purchase content for a TGP that is going to promote a site where none of that content will be found.

you see, when TGP's first came about they were meant to give samples to show the surfer what he was going to buy a membership to (hopefully).

I really do not know, except that one of our clients does do just that and he is making enough to be worrying us constantly about new content.

He is driving traffic to sites that have similar content to ours, getting listed on World Sex, Mad Thumbs, Richards Realm, The Hun and others as a partner because he is not using FHGs, submitting pages with content that is not out there every where.

Problem with FHGs is how many have them and how many times has the surfer seen it. Also unless it exclusive content it wil already be out there. However if it is exclusive the surfer will see it time and time again and will probably think subconsciously that he's seen the set. Which defeats the object.

And lastly he can afford it.

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09-30-2004, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by mattyboy
Exactly my thoughts...

Read my reply above.

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09-30-2004, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by charly
I really do not know, except that one of our clients does do just that

well, that's good enough for me . . if it works for one guy, why not
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