First of all about my education, it was in medicine not economics so the little crack about my eduction is unbased but of course you are just mouthing off behind a keyboard so continue, just thought you might want to know. I went into computers later and was smart enough to realize the bubble had popped before I spent time and money getting a degree in that like so many other people who flocked to it trying to be the next bill gates. Which is one of my points, I now know more than a few people who have lost their jobs to outsourcing and I am sure I know more and more who will never even get a job because of it. Does that bother me? Personally not at all, their fault for picking such a super saturated and easily outsourced feild, but the point still remains.
Want to see some logic in action?
Brisk: The point is this: outsourcing (importing goods/services) is not new. So the argument that it is going to destroy the economy is rather weak.
jade_dragon: Pollution is not new, so are you saying it is not destroying the environment? Drugs are not new at all but as more and more potent ones become available do they not have an impact on society? But I guess I have no logic right? The ideal that a problem or destructive thing has been around and so do not worry about it "sinking ship mentality" is EXACTLY what I was talking about.
My macro/micro comment was sarcasm, I run both a very small business and a larger conglomorate, I am starting a non profit org for buisinessmen under 25 and already have attended many conventions having to do with business and economics. So it is not like I made this up, these are all things that have been shown to me with nice over priced graphs, charts and powerpoint presentations. Even those who were pro-outsourcing basically said make the money and let the government worry about taking care of the people.
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Originally posted by BRISK
Something I find interesting is that anti-outsourcing people seem to think that outsourcing is a new thing, like some new trend that has been developed in the last few years.
Outsourcing is just another word for importing.
A company that outsources its programming to India is no different than a person who buys a Toyota that was made in Japan.
When you go to the GAP and buy some clothes, guess what? You're supporting outsourcing! Probably 99% of the clothes aren't made in your country.
The point is this: outsourcing (importing goods/services) is not new. So the argument that it is going to destroy the economy is rather weak.
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Importing is the purchase of goods from another country. Outsourcing is the production of goods or services from an outside source. The idea is to lower sweat equity either through the use of others besides yourself lowering profit but decreasing the amount of personal work or to reduce the amount of workers on payroll in a hopes at lowering production cost through a cut in labor. Importing is a part of outsourcing, outsourcing is not importing.
When I buy a car that is made in Japan... well first of all those cars have been produced in the United States since the late 80's, but I will play along with your argument, IF the cars had really been produced in Japan, I still have the dealerships here that have american workers, I still have american shops that work on them. As a matter of fact I own a company that does such. the Japanese companies did this because it is cheaper and more efficient to have plants here since America consumes so many of their products, they effectively began to subsidise for the detroit iron companies who moved their companies across the border.
But since you say you know so much more than I do, answer this. If more and more people outsource what happens to your educated and uneducated workers here? What happens when you build up the economies of countries outside of your borders? What happens when Jose' now wants just as much as Ryan used to because they notice what has happened? Did you look to the future or are you living in the here and now. You guys will be the first to complain about all the homeless and the unemployeed, telling them to go get a job. Stop looking at the thing on paper and start looking at human nature which is probably hard for anyone who makes money solely here on the net. I am a capitalist not a communist I just happen to be a little more civic minded than most corporate owners. As you give more and more jobs to other countries you will demoralize and dehabilitate workers here in the U.S. it will continue this way till your outsourced countries become larger and larger, wake up and decide to up the price on you. Then I suppose we will then start paying our own workers shit wages after the government comes in and subsidises or lowers the price of living and we rebuild the working force here. I am not talking about in 2-5 years I am talking about after I am gone, but I guess I shouldn't care right? Just make my money.