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  • Oracle Porn
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    • Oct 2002
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    #1

    So pimppuppy... tell us... how did you start your little empire?

    Im very interested on how you started epiccash...
    Mind telling?


  • Donny
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    • May 2002
    • 13754

    #2
    I want to know if there is any truth in the rumors that his partner (or former partner - whatever) started it all with CP money. I really would like to hear answers on that.

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    • Oracle Porn
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      #3
      Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
      I want to know if there is any truth in the rumors that his partner (or former partner - whatever) started it all with CP money. I really would like to hear answers on that.
      wow... 1st time I hear that...
      drama?


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      • spamofon
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        #4
        my cats breathe smells like cat food!

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        • Donny
          As you wish...
          • May 2002
          • 13754

          #5
          Bet this thread gets locked now.

          Mind you, I am NOT making an accusation. But when a rumor like that starts it's either seriously shitty of the person that started it, or seriously shitty because it's true.

          Which is it?

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          • Veterans Day
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            #6
            ya that drama comes from dollah dave errr oaen errr video voyeour errr whatever nicks he has
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            • MrIzzz
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              • Sep 2003
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              #7
              that is one fucked up rumor..can anyone back that up


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              • Oracle Porn
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                #8
                Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                Bet this thread gets locked now.

                Mind you, I am NOT making an accusation. But when a rumor like that starts it's either seriously shitty of the person that started it, or seriously shitty because it's true.

                Which is it?
                damn man don't get my thread locked... icq pimppy and ask him for yourself.


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                • MuleScrote
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                  #9
                  ICQ 78681003

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                  • Donny
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                    • May 2002
                    • 13754

                    #10
                    What's his ICQ number?

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                    • Fletch XXX
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                      • Jan 2002
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                      I want to know if there is any truth in the rumors that his partner (or former partner - whatever) started it all with CP money. I really would like to hear answers on that.
                      Donnie this is all reaching man.

                      If pimpdog was involved in anything like that would he be here? considering the guy who really did is in jail?

                      I think this accusation is getting out of line when I see the severity and seriousness of guys like you believing anything that comes out on board man.

                      There are few peacocks here without colorful feathers.


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                      • Veterans Day
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                        Donnie this is all reaching man.

                        If pimpdog was involved in anything like that would he be here? considering the guy who really did is in jail?

                        I think this accusation is getting out of line when I see the severity and seriousness of guys like you believing anything that comes out on board man.

                        There are few peacocks here without colorful feathers.

                        exactly, i mean geeeez the gullible ones around here
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                        • Donny
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                          • May 2002
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                          Donnie this is all reaching man.

                          If pimpdog was involved in anything like that would he be here? considering the guy who really did is in jail?

                          I think this accusation is getting out of line when I see the severity and seriousness of guys like you believing anything that comes out on board man.

                          There are few peacocks here without colorful feathers.

                          I gave it no mind whatsoever until a person I trust mentioned it to me in an ICQ conversation today. When this person mentioned it I started thinking about it a little harder. I would like to talk to pimp about it.

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                          • p1mpdogg
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                            • Nov 2002
                            • 16714

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


                            I gave it no mind whatsoever until a person I trust mentioned it to me in an ICQ conversation today. When this person mentioned it I started thinking about it a little harder. I would like to talk to pimp about it.
                            141588569

                            did he ever post any proof? did those articles have my name in it? legal docs that are public record ever posted or searched out?

                            it didnt happen. that was daves way of trying to make me look bad.

                            i would be happy to discuss anything with you on icq or the phone.. when something as serious as this comes up, I do not take it likesly, and I do not appreciate you even questioning me without speaking to me 1st. you could have found my contact info at epiccash.com
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                            • Fletch XXX
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                              • Jan 2002
                              • 60840

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


                              I gave it no mind whatsoever until a person I trust mentioned it to me in an ICQ conversation today. When this person mentioned it I started thinking about it a little harder. I would like to talk to pimp about it.
                              of course someone would mention it, this board is read heavily.

                              anyway, its as simple as show proof or drop it this case.

                              i remember the days when people used to get banned for insinuating someone had to do with cp, let alone sit here and see accusations being dropped on a message board and having people like you wrapped in it. cp should be the almighty of no no's and always has been, accusations with no proof should not be tolerted nor accepted.

                              as I said, there are plenty peacocks around here.

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                              • funkmaster
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                                • Sep 2001
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                I want to know if there is any truth in the rumors that his partner (or former partner - whatever) started it all with CP money. I really would like to hear answers on that.
                                ... that's correct, he was promoting your childporn sites, they still convert ?

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                                • Oracle Porn
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                                  #17
                                  ANYFUCKINGWAY....
                                  How did you start epic cash?


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                                  • Donny
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                                    • May 2002
                                    • 13754

                                    #18
                                    Talking to Pimp now... Thanks.

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                                    • Veterans Day
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 8403

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                      ANYFUCKINGWAY....
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                                      • p1mpdogg
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                                        • Nov 2002
                                        • 16714

                                        #20
                                        I never knew what a complete fucking idiot this guy really was till tongiht.

                                        DonovanPhillips (8:09 PM) :
                                        Hey there.
                                        Epic Media (8:10 PM) :
                                        so what is that i can answer for you?
                                        DonovanPhillips (8:10 PM) :
                                        So what's with this rumor about a partner that was busted for CP?
                                        Epic Media (8:11 PM) :
                                        its not a rumor. it is an accusation by dave stodghill. do you know who that is?
                                        DonovanPhillips (8:11 PM) :
                                        I have heard the name, but know nothing of him.
                                        Epic Media (8:12 PM) :
                                        well when you find out who he is, then maybe you can make your own conclusions.. and why are you interested?
                                        Epic Media (8:12 PM) :
                                        what can i say to satisfy you? i highly doubt nothing. until you see some proof, i would appreciate you not even mentioning my name with cp.
                                        DonovanPhillips (8:13 PM) :
                                        that's fair enough. but "where's the proof" is a pretty weak defense.
                                        Epic Media (8:13 PM) :
                                        lol are you crazy?
                                        Epic Media (8:13 PM) :
                                        xpect me to say?
                                        Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                        i have denied it over and over and you are are asking me here on icq?
                                        Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                        how can i prove I wasnt involved in anything like that? i cant.
                                        DonovanPhillips (8:14 PM) :
                                        I'm not crazy. If it was me I'd simply say "what the hell are you talking about" and leave it at that. Or "no, I did have a partner but his name is XX not YY".
                                        Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                        yea i have said it over and over.
                                        DonovanPhillips (8:14 PM) :
                                        Not, "where's the proof?" I don't know. That seems weird to me.
                                        Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                        i never was involved in anything like that
                                        Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                        i could honestly care less what is weird to you
                                        Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                        this conversation is over, you are not even being reasonable
                                        DonovanPhillips (8:15 PM) :
                                        You really have a bad attitude, don't you?
                                        Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                        over an issie like this?
                                        Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                        yes.
                                        Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                        od night
                                        Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                        good*
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                                        • Donny
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                                          • May 2002
                                          • 13754

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                          I never knew what a complete fucking idiot this guy really was till tongiht.

                                          DonovanPhillips (8:09 PM) :
                                          Hey there.
                                          Epic Media (8:10 PM) :
                                          so what is that i can answer for you?
                                          DonovanPhillips (8:10 PM) :
                                          So what's with this rumor about a partner that was busted for CP?
                                          Epic Media (8:11 PM) :
                                          its not a rumor. it is an accusation by dave stodghill. do you know who that is?
                                          DonovanPhillips (8:11 PM) :
                                          I have heard the name, but know nothing of him.
                                          Epic Media (8:12 PM) :
                                          well when you find out who he is, then maybe you can make your own conclusions.. and why are you interested?
                                          Epic Media (8:12 PM) :
                                          what can i say to satisfy you? i highly doubt nothing. until you see some proof, i would appreciate you not even mentioning my name with cp.
                                          DonovanPhillips (8:13 PM) :
                                          that's fair enough. but "where's the proof" is a pretty weak defense.
                                          Epic Media (8:13 PM) :
                                          lol are you crazy?
                                          Epic Media (8:13 PM) :
                                          xpect me to say?
                                          Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                          i have denied it over and over and you are are asking me here on icq?
                                          Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                          how can i prove I wasnt involved in anything like that? i cant.
                                          DonovanPhillips (8:14 PM) :
                                          I'm not crazy. If it was me I'd simply say "what the hell are you talking about" and leave it at that. Or "no, I did have a partner but his name is XX not YY".
                                          Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                          yea i have said it over and over.
                                          DonovanPhillips (8:14 PM) :
                                          Not, "where's the proof?" I don't know. That seems weird to me.
                                          Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                          i never was involved in anything like that
                                          Epic Media (8:14 PM) :
                                          i could honestly care less what is weird to you
                                          Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                          this conversation is over, you are not even being reasonable
                                          DonovanPhillips (8:15 PM) :
                                          You really have a bad attitude, don't you?
                                          Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                          over an issie like this?
                                          Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                          yes.
                                          Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                          od night
                                          Epic Media (8:15 PM) :
                                          good*
                                          add to that:

                                          DonovanPhillips (08:15 PM) :
                                          What is unreasonable about asking? You are getting easily worked up over nothing.
                                          DonovanPhillips (08:15 PM) :
                                          I am asking you a question. That is all.
                                          Epic Media (08:16 PM) :
                                          and you are not accepting my answer.
                                          Epic Media (08:16 PM) :
                                          deal with it

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                                          • Veterans Day
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                                            • Fletch XXX
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                                              • Jan 2002
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                                              #23
                                              donnie the guy is pissed, how can you expect him not to be?

                                              how can he prove he isnt involved?

                                              I was watching the jayson williams trial today and the opening argument was...

                                              "its up to the state to prove he is guilty, how can he prove his innocence? if he had nothing to do with it, how can he prove that?"

                                              how can he if he wasnt involved?

                                              man i dont feel like watching this get nasty.

                                              i got work to do.

                                              enjoy yourselves folks.

                                              pimpdog, donnie is cool, dont take it too far.

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                                              • Oracle Porn
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                                                #24
                                                my fucking thread got jacked!


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                                                • p1mpdogg
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                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 16714

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                  donnie the guy is pissed, how can you expect him not to be?

                                                  how can he prove he isnt involved?

                                                  I was watching the jayson williams trial today and the opening argument was...

                                                  "its up to the state to prove he is guilty, how can he prove his innocence? if he had nothing to do with it, how can he prove that?"

                                                  how can he if he wasnt involved?

                                                  man i dont feel like watching this get nasty.

                                                  i got work to do.

                                                  enjoy yourselves folks.

                                                  pimpdog, donnie is cool, dont take it too far.
                                                  cool enough to post this shit without even talking to me about it before hand.. this shit is serious and I do not appreciate it. he will not take my answer, what am i suppose to say other than I am and never was involved in anything like that?
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                                                  • Donny
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                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 13754

                                                    #26
                                                    The conversation is ongoing. I think we're getting somewhere. Pimp seems to be calming down and realizing I wasn't accusing him of anything.

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                                                    • Oracle Porn
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                                                      cool enough to post this shit without even talking to me about it before hand.. this shit is serious and I do not appreciate it. he will not take my answer, what am i suppose to say other than I am and never was involved in anything like that?
                                                      take r-n levi's approach.


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                                                      • Fletch XXX
                                                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                        • 60840

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                                                        cool enough to post this shit without even talking to me about it before hand.. this shit is serious and I do not appreciate it. he will not take my answer, what am i suppose to say other than I am and never was involved in anything like that?
                                                        i know bro.

                                                        donnie is better on the phone i think.

                                                        i just dont want to see you lash into someone i am working with man, he is a good guy and thats why I stepped in and popsted about seeeing the "severity" of when people like him start to believe this crap people spew on boards. Maybe my post wasnt understood.

                                                        anyhow man, i dont want to see it turn nasty between you two.

                                                        i KNOW how pissed you are, I can understand. and I see through it all, but its imposibile for me to relay this.

                                                        Im buried in work right now and aint jumping on icq t get involved.

                                                        donnie let it chill man.

                                                        anyway....

                                                        cheers all.

                                                        heres to work, shit you read on a board, and working from home.


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                                                        • Donny
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                                                          • May 2002
                                                          • 13754

                                                          #29
                                                          The conversation completes as follows:

                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:17 PM) :
                                                          So now you go posting a conversation on GFY. You are a wonderful human being.
                                                          Epic Media (08:17 PM) :
                                                          just to show what an idiot you are
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:18 PM) :
                                                          How much education have you had beyond high school? I would like to understand where you get that a person is an "idiot" for asking questions.
                                                          Epic Media (08:18 PM) :
                                                          an idiot is someone that has a one sided view of an issue.
                                                          Epic Media (08:19 PM) :
                                                          you wont accept the answer i gave you. its not my fault
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:19 PM) :
                                                          I would agree.
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:19 PM) :
                                                          That an idiot only believes one side.

                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:19 PM) :
                                                          BUT, our conversation hasn't been long enough for me to get your side.
                                                          Epic Media (08:19 PM) :
                                                          you have obviously made up your mind about it
                                                          Epic Media (08:19 PM) :
                                                          lets do it this way
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:20 PM) :
                                                          I haven't made up my mind ANY way.
                                                          Epic Media (08:20 PM) :
                                                          has anyone posted anything about me that would even insinuate I was involved with that shit? news article? chat logs? websites? aduio? no.
                                                          Epic Media (08:20 PM) :
                                                          wouldnt something like this be public record?
                                                          Epic Media (08:20 PM) :
                                                          how do you expect me to prove I am and never was involved in that filth?
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:21 PM) :
                                                          IF you had a partner that was involved in CP that would in no way mean YOU were involved. There would be no record of your involvement if it didn't exist. I was not asking if YOU were involved in CP, I was asking if you had ever had a PARTNER that was.
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:22 PM) :
                                                          Jesus Christ, calm down for a second.
                                                          Epic Media (08:22 PM) :
                                                          i never was a partner with anyone. other than the partner i am involved with now with epiccash
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:23 PM) :
                                                          Perfect! That's all I wanted to know. So you have a partner now and that partner is legit. Great.
                                                          Epic Media (08:24 PM) :
                                                          thanks for posting that in the thread and bringing this up again. real professional of ya
                                                          Epic Media (08:24 PM) :
                                                          you could have contacted me before hand.
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:24 PM) :
                                                          Okay, I will admit that I should have asked you about it first. I do apologize for that. And will do so publicly as well.
                                                          Epic Media (08:24 PM) :
                                                          thank you
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:25 PM) :
                                                          You are quite welcome.
                                                          DonovanPhillips (08:26 PM) :
                                                          So, off the record... who is this dave guy that started this rumor?

                                                          THAT is as far as we will be posting.




                                                          AND MY PUBLIC APOLOGIES TO DAVE FOR NOT TALKING TO HIM FIRST ARE IN ORDER...

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                                                          • JDog
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                                                            #30
                                                            Donovan - you gotta watch saying something like that. That is libel! Just my

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                                                            • Donny
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                                                              • May 2002
                                                              • 13754

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by JDog
                                                              Donovan - you gotta watch saying something like that. That is libel! Just my

                                                              jDoG
                                                              I didn't libel him. I asked "I want to know if there is any truth..."

                                                              BUT even so, I should have asked him first. I apologized to him in private and have now done so in public as well.

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                                                              • Fletch XXX
                                                                GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                • 60840

                                                                #32
                                                                i said it the other night, ill say it tonight.

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                                                                • Disco_Stu
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                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                  • 757

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                                                                  141588569

                                                                  did he ever post any proof? did those articles have my name in it? legal docs that are public record ever posted or searched out?

                                                                  it didnt happen. that was daves way of trying to make me look bad.

                                                                  i would be happy to discuss anything with you on icq or the phone.. when something as serious as this comes up, I do not take it likesly, and I do not appreciate you even questioning me without speaking to me 1st. you could have found my contact info at epiccash.com
                                                                  As i said, when the board search feature comes back, Ill show everyone where you posted that your partner got busted for it.

                                                                  I didnt post it, you did.

                                                                  For the old timers, this was when Trey was new to the scene and barely had 2 pennies to rub together...

                                                                  Lowkeytexas or something, I dunno, then he left and tried to start his own content gig.


                                                                  The day is comming when the search part comes back Trey

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                                                                  • pimplink
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Hardwork and perseverance and some helpful friends and a little bit of luck = success!

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                                                                    • JFK
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                                                      of course someone would mention it, this board is read heavily.

                                                                      anyway, its as simple as show proof or drop it this case.

                                                                      i remember the days when people used to get banned for insinuating someone had to do with cp, let alone sit here and see accusations being dropped on a message board and having people like you wrapped in it. cp should be the almighty of no no's and always has been, accusations with no proof should not be tolerted nor accepted.

                                                                      as I said, there are plenty peacocks around here.
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by pimplink
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                                                                        • ldinternet
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          mega awesome d00d!


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                                                                          • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            I think this accusation is getting out of line when I see the severity and seriousness of guys like you believing anything that comes out on board man.
                                                                            Exactly.. Its amasing how many people ( like donovan ) beleive the bs that comes out on here. He is one that should know better, yet he continually get caught up in the drama. People actually run there businesses by waht is done or said on this board... truly amasing.

                                                                            I doubt pimpy was involved in CP. It's all a bit strange to me and I hope this can get cleared up.
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                                                                            • ozmatt
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by ldinternet
                                                                              mega awesome d00d!


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                                                                              lol good ol jason donovan, havent seen him around for years.. nice post..

                                                                              i did work for "pimpdog" back when he first started out.. and its great to see his biz doing well and it shows what alot of hard work can get .. all the best

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