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  • smokincash
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    • Jan 2004
    • 429

    #151
    What the hell is wrong with U JEDI ?
    I think U just want to have some DRAMA in here right ?!
    There is nothing slutty about that girl.
    Fuck ur whole text written above !

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    • CDSmith
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • May 2001
      • 51460

      #152
      Originally posted by LadyMischief
      Overprotective can backfire just as quickly. And if you think this wasn't happening a decade ago, two decades ago or anything like it is now, you obviously never grew up as a girl, had sisters, or knew what things were like. It's the NATURE of a teenager to try to do things to make themselves seem older, to try to act adult, to do things that they see adults seeing. This is the way it's been since caveman times. It's instinct.

      I'm not saying it's wrong for a parent to exert dicipline over a child and tell them what's acceptable and what's not, but to think that kids aren't going to do things behind their parent's back is a little silly, and excessive overprotectiveness is only going to push the issue. I would shelter my children from the entire world if I could, but is that going to give them a sense of reality, or help them when they are out in the cold, real world? I am all for protecting kids but being unrealistic is not going to do them any favors. I will tell my children what I expect of them, I AM going to enforce my rules, but I don't ever expect them for a second to be perfect, or impervious to the pressures of the world around them. Parents are there just as much to help them stand up when they fall as to put out a hand and prevent the slip.

      Consider, 200 (even 100 years ago) years ago, 11 and 12 year old girls were married off and already having their first babies, running households etc.. Innocence is really relative.
      THAT is a good post.

      And I still don't see where this particular girl is dressed slutty at all. I've seen young girls dressed much sluttier who <i>didn't</i> get abducted or raped. I'm thinking dress code has very little to do with what motivates the average predator out there.
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      • KRL
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        • Oct 2002
        • 31429

        #153
        A lot of people posting in this thread must either not be parents or haven't been to a mall recently.

        Go to one on any Friday night or Saturday daytime and walk around. You'll get a good balance of the girls dressed like sluts and the conservative girls to see the difference.

        How in the world can you say that dressing provacatively won't attract sleaze balls?

        Some of these young teen girls have full on makeup, cut up jeans with their buns practically falling out, t-shirts without bras on, and on and on.

        You'll always see these wild looking girls surrounded by guys trying to hit on them. The conservative dressed girls don't get the attention.

        And it IS the parent's responsibility to dress their children properly and modestly and not let them walk around in public looking like wannabee fuck toys.

        WTF? I can't believe some of the illogical posts on this thread.

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        • laura99
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          • Aug 2002
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          #154
          I don't care if she was walking around naked, she doesn't deserve to be taken like that! That guy probably said "I'll kill your mom and dad if you don't come with me right now" and it freaked her out so she went. Dressed like a slut? You are insane.

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          • LadyMischief
            Orgasms N Such!
            • Sep 2002
            • 18135

            #155
            Originally posted by KRL
            A lot of people posting in this thread must either not be parents or haven't been to a mall recently.

            Go to one on any Friday night or Saturday daytime and walk around. You'll get a good balance of the girls dressed like sluts and the conservative girls to see the difference.

            How in the world can you say that dressing provacatively won't attract sleaze balls?

            Some of these young teen girls have full on makeup, cut up jeans with their buns practically falling out, t-shirts without bras on, and on and on.

            You'll always see these wild looking girls surrounded by guys trying to hit on them. The conservative dressed girls don't get the attention.

            And it IS the parent's responsibility to dress their children properly and modestly and not let them walk around in public looking like wannabee fuck toys.

            WTF? I can't believe some of the illogical posts on this thread.

            And you think predators aren't savvy to this too??? Come on wake up.
            You are correct, it is the parent's job to moderate what their children wear. However, apparently you don't have a daughter or a sister, do you realize how many young girls sneak makeup and other clothes to malls and schools and dress themselves up? I bet you would be AMAZED to see how many of those slutty-dressed girls will run to the bathroom and wash their faces and change before they get home.

            I grew up in a VERY conservative home with a lot of religious friends, and it was the MOST rampant in the homes where the parents were the most controlling or restrictive. This is no reason to say that parents shouldn't exercise those restrictions, but laying blame on parents solely is a mistake.

            Predators are predators no matter what children wear. 200 years ago there were pedophiles, 1000 years ago there were pedophiles, but they didn't have makeup and malls then.. Sure, today's society makes it EASIER for them in some cases, and careless or irresponsible parents can play their children into predator's hands. But every situation, every child, every parent is different. It's just as wrong to assume one knows what the situation is as it is for parents to be irresponsible.

            You're a parent, KRL, I don't know if your kids are teenagers, but can you tell me with 100% certainty what they are doing every single hour of every single day?

            You can hope you can. Reality is, YEAH RIGHT.

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            • InsaneMidget
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              • May 2002
              • 3767

              #156
              Stupid & incorrect thread title.

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              • Theo
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                • May 2001
                • 34515

                #157
                LadyMischief, i agree with many things you posted.

                Kids at that age mimic actions of older people and/or other kids. The enviroment they grow determines a lot their actions. If a kid grows with alcoholic parents it's very possible to end up with drinking problem in early age. If a kid see the other kids of same age using makeup it's gonna mimic it. If the enviroment it grows doesnt' have such influences, you won't see something like that.

                Makeup, sexy dressing etc has as main purpose to sexually attrack the opposite sex. Of course a woman can say,i'm dressed sexy because it makes me feel better, i like it etc. Yes,no doubt, but this is simple because subconsciously or not they feel more attractive to others and gain confidence. Kids do not have position on this.

                "Consider, 200 (even 100 years ago) years ago, 11 and 12 year old girls were married off and already having their first babies, running households etc.. Innocence is really relative."

                True, even 50years ago due to responsibilities they had to deal with in young ages. If you can gift childhood to a kid, I believe it's good to do it. Many of the fucked personalities didn't have a childhood at all. Through normal childhood a kid becomes psychically mature and stable.

                You can be overprotective towards your kids without causing them any problems. Overprotective doesn't mean restrictive by default. I believe it's a frequently confused term.

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                • KRL
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                  • Oct 2002
                  • 31429

                  #158
                  Originally posted by LadyMischief


                  You are correct, it is the parent's job to moderate what their children wear. However, apparently you don't have a daughter or a sister, do you realize how many young girls sneak makeup and other clothes to malls and schools and dress themselves up? I bet you would be AMAZED to see how many of those slutty-dressed girls will run to the bathroom and wash their faces and change before they get home.
                  .
                  Actually I do have a sister and her and her friends did have a close call incident when we were growing up. They decided to play dress up like older girls without my mom knowing and went out on the street to see if cars would stop. Sure enough some pervert drove by, motioned them to his car, which they stupidly did, and he unzipped his pants and trying to grab one of the girls into the car, the other girls started screaming and he wasn't able to keep a grip and drove off.

                  The following weeking the police started getting reports of a peeping tom in the neighborhood where a guy was looking in people's windows at night. Odds are it was this same pedo tyring to find the house they lived in.

                  The police put a patrol car in the neighborhood round the clock and nothing further happened.

                  So don't tell me dressing like a tease doesn't create potential situations for abductions because it almost happened to my sister and her friends.
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                  • Rich
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11486

                    #159
                    Where did Dark Jedi say she deserves to be abducted? God some of you people are mindless. He's saying that letting your 11 year old walk around the mall wearing tight jeans, makeup, and a low cut top makes you a horrible fucking parent, which couldn't be more true. No one deserves to have their kids abducted, and certainly no kid deserves it, but every time I see a child dressed up like Brittany Spears I want to curb stomp her father, of coarse it makes them more of a target for sexual predators.

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                    • Shoehorn!
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                      • Oct 2003
                      • 22872

                      #160
                      That's just sad.

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                      • AbulletAway
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 760

                        #161
                        I just hope the little girl is returned safe an unharmed.

                        It's a sick fuckin world that shit like this happens. I have two kids, my son is 12 and my daughter is 10. When I have them I don't let them out of my site. It's sad. I remember being 8 years old with my parents at Disneyland and I could just go off with my friends and meet back up with my parents every few hours. Shit I would never do that now.

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                        • QualityMpegs
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                          #162
                          Originally posted by sickkittens


                          Nice ignorant thread title.
                          ditto

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                          • Loryn
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                            • Jul 2003
                            • 12853

                            #163
                            Originally posted by galleryseek


                            haha, well then here is the problem. i guess you and i must have 2 different ideas of what the word "Slut" means.

                            I think girls who dress in such a way with a mindset where they WANT guys gawking at their asses, constitutes a slut. They want guys looking at their asses and they let it be known, which can be inferred that most of them WANT IT, and probably from more than one guy.

                            and what the fuck is so wrong with my opinion? i'm a bit more conservative on the way people dress... is that so horribly bad? what negativity can come from my perspective?
                            I thought fucking a lot of cock is what constituted a slut???

                            Now a slut is a girl who likes guys finding them attractive???

                            Damn, I guess next it'll be any woman who is not wearing a bee suit, that covers her all the way down to her ankles, is asking for a man to look at her, and if a man does we should stone her to death.
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                            • Danny_C
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                              • Feb 2002
                              • 2160

                              #164
                              If I were a dumbshit, I'd at least try to hide it by keeping my mouth shut.

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                              • LadyMischief
                                Orgasms N Such!
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 18135

                                #165
                                Originally posted by KRL


                                Actually I do have a sister and her and her friends did have a close call incident when we were growing up. They decided to play dress up like older girls without my mom knowing and went out on the street to see if cars would stop. Sure enough some pervert drove by, motioned them to his car, which they stupidly did, and he unzipped his pants and trying to grab one of the girls into the car, the other girls started screaming and he wasn't able to keep a grip and drove off.

                                The following weeking the police started getting reports of a peeping tom in the neighborhood where a guy was looking in people's windows at night. Odds are it was this same pedo tyring to find the house they lived in.

                                The police put a patrol car in the neighborhood round the clock and nothing further happened.

                                So don't tell me dressing like a tease doesn't create potential situations for abductions because it almost happened to my sister and her friends.
                                I'm not saying that dressing like a tease isn't going to ask for more trouble than not doing so, but I'm saying that it's not always the parents fault. We're getting off line here, the thing is, people were accusing this girl's parents of being "bad parents" because they feel she was "dressed slutty". Your mother didn't allow your sister to dress "grown up", did she? She went behind your mother's back. How often do girls do this? A LOT. How often does it get them in trouble.. Very often. Just because children rebel and DO things like this though doesn't mean the parents are bad. It means that kids will be kids.

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                                • Va2k
                                  I’m still alive barley.
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 10060

                                  #166
                                  Damn i feel so sorry for them parents, Hell I have two boys, They arent allowed to play outside without me in the yard. They wont be going to no malls, they wont have a life without me being beside them... IT's too damn scary and shit. I hope they find her and hope she isnt hurt, raped, or killed. I JUST THANK my lucky soul I ONLY HAVE BOYS.

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                                  • Ic3m4nZ
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                                    • Aug 2003
                                    • 6285

                                    #167
                                    That's fucked up just saw that on tv

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                                    •  Smokey The Bear 
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                                      • Dec 2003
                                      • 3880

                                      #168
                                      I think its a fake story to draw attention away from janet jacksons nipple.

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                                      • tayloryum
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                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 423

                                        #169
                                        Originally posted by Ironhorse
                                        I don't think she's dressed in a slutty way but she probably shouldn't have been alone, seeing how she's only 11
                                        i agree, she does NOT look slutty in the least. and, in general, girls/women of any age should avoid walking alone in isolated areas, no matter how they are dressed. same goes for young boys, who equally at risk to the sickos out there.
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                                        • JDog
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                                          • Feb 2003
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                                          #170
                                          Dude, WTF are you talking about, she has nothing on that makes her look like a fucking slut!

                                          Nobody, even the parents that let them dress like a slut, deserve to have their child abducted!

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                                          • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 4984

                                            #171
                                            To all the people who are saying this little girl looked like a slut, shame on you! Jeans and a t-shirt covering her WHOLE upper body other than her complete arms, is no where NEAR slutty!

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                                            • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 4984

                                              #172
                                              Originally posted by KRL


                                              Actually I do have a sister and her and her friends did have a close call incident when we were growing up. They decided to play dress up like older girls without my mom knowing and went out on the street to see if cars would stop. Sure enough some pervert drove by, motioned them to his car, which they stupidly did, and he unzipped his pants and trying to grab one of the girls into the car, the other girls started screaming and he wasn't able to keep a grip and drove off.

                                              The following weeking the police started getting reports of a peeping tom in the neighborhood where a guy was looking in people's windows at night. Odds are it was this same pedo tyring to find the house they lived in.

                                              The police put a patrol car in the neighborhood round the clock and nothing further happened.

                                              So don't tell me dressing like a tease doesn't create potential situations for abductions because it almost happened to my sister and her friends.
                                              I'm not going to completely disagree with you on this one Kevin...however, when I was young I definitely did NOT dress like a "slut" and I was flashed, followed, propositioned MANY MANY times. I played 5 sports and was a "horsie" girl til I was about 15, so make-up and those kind of clothes were not on my agenda and I was still in the position that your sister was in. So it goes both ways...sick men are just that sick men....not choosey men.

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                                              • kowntafit
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                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 4667

                                                #173
                                                Slut!? Man where do you come from? That may be slutty if your from Iraq or some shit wear all the women must be fully covered including there faces, but that ain't shit. You have a point about slutty young girls but this isnt the story to bring it up about.

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                                                • boneprone
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                                                  #174
                                                  The abductor kinda looks like snow....

                                                  What ever happened to him anyhow?

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                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                    • May 2001
                                                    • 51460

                                                    #175
                                                    Originally posted by KRL
                                                    A lot of people posting in this thread must either not be parents or haven't been to a mall recently.

                                                    Go to one on any Friday night or Saturday daytime and walk around. You'll get a good balance of the girls dressed like sluts and the conservative girls to see the difference.

                                                    How in the world can you say that dressing provacatively won't attract sleaze balls?

                                                    Some of these young teen girls have full on makeup, cut up jeans with their buns practically falling out, t-shirts without bras on, and on and on.

                                                    You'll always see these wild looking girls surrounded by guys trying to hit on them. The conservative dressed girls don't get the attention.

                                                    And it IS the parent's responsibility to dress their children properly and modestly and not let them walk around in public looking like wannabee fuck toys.

                                                    WTF? I can't believe some of the illogical posts on this thread.

                                                    And you think predators aren't savvy to this too??? Come on wake up.
                                                    Zipping them all up in big fleecy sweaters and taking their makeup away isn't going to make the predators go away.


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                                                    • Brat
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                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                      • 1545

                                                      #176
                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi



                                                      she did not get ubducted,moran.


                                                      It's been written in this thread at least 100 times MORON.
                                                      It's ABDUCTED, get a clue.

                                                      Also,
                                                      Sickos will be sickos and will do anything to get what they want. Stop blaming the victims, period. Just STOP IT. Wake the fuck up. No one 'asks' for something like this. Not the parents and not the child. You're pulling this shit out of your ass about that picture. Those jeans look like normal jeans that any girl would wear. That top looks pretty damn normal to me. And it looks like she's got a cross-shoulder school bag or something.

                                                      Get real. If your main goal was to piss everyone off, I think you've succeeded. If this is your actual point of view, you've succeeded in making yourself look like one fuckin worthless piece of shit.

                                                      Stop wasting the fuckin oxygen I breathe.

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                                                      • Lykos
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                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                        • 31027

                                                        #177

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                                                        • Brujah
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                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                          • 22157

                                                          #178
                                                          Saw this on the news, very sad.

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                                                          • DarkJedi
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                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                            • 28301

                                                            #179
                                                            Originally posted by Brat




                                                            It's been written in this thread at least 100 times MORON.
                                                            It's ABDUCTED, get a clue.

                                                            Also,
                                                            Sickos will be sickos and will do anything to get what they want. Stop blaming the victims, period. Just STOP IT. Wake the fuck up. No one 'asks' for something like this. Not the parents and not the child. You're pulling this shit out of your ass about that picture. Those jeans look like normal jeans that any girl would wear. That top looks pretty damn normal to me. And it looks like she's got a cross-shoulder school bag or something.

                                                            Get real. If your main goal was to piss everyone off, I think you've succeeded. If this is your actual point of view, you've succeeded in making yourself look like one fuckin worthless piece of shit.
                                                            Stop wasting the fuckin oxygen I breathe.

                                                            Read the god damn thread before replying, you fuckbucket

                                                            We were discussing Elizabeth Smart - and i said that SHE hadt been abducted. She ran away with that hippy.

                                                            And i was not blaming the victim dipshit. Get you fucking facts straight.
                                                            Last edited by DarkJedi; 02-04-2004, 01:10 AM.

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                                                            • jennym
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                                                              • May 2003
                                                              • 1622

                                                              #180
                                                              Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                              Read the god damn thread before replying, you fuckbucket
                                                              Umm....he was correcting your spelling....


                                                              Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                              We were discussing Elizabeth Smart - and i said that SHE hadt been abducted. She ran away with that hippy.
                                                              You continue to show your ignorance. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped out of her bedroom in the middle of the night at knife point.

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                                                              • CamChicks
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                                                                • Sep 2003
                                                                • 1552

                                                                #181
                                                                This DarkJedi dude has issues.
                                                                He sees an 11 year old in JEANS, gets a boner,
                                                                and blames the teens parents for his feelings.



                                                                "methinks thou doest protest too much"

                                                                An 11 year old girl, fully covered, wearing clothes that fit
                                                                should not be considered provocative by any normal adult.

                                                                btw -
                                                                wouldn't a girl wearing makeup to look OLDER discourage true pedos?
                                                                they want children. they want children who look like children.

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                                                                • jaYMan
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                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                  • 4885

                                                                  #182
                                                                  fucking unreal...
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                                                                  • alkemyst
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                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 11

                                                                    #183
                                                                    These are not my thoughts, just going on example if appearance should equal justification of rape:

                                                                    Would all these women be ok to rape?
                                                                    woman in micro-mini and 6" heels

                                                                    teen/woman showing her belly ring.

                                                                    teen/woman at a nude photoshoot (assuming with the teen it was an artistic shoot).

                                                                    teen/woman walking by the beach in a thong or simple bikini

                                                                    etc???

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                                                                    • okny
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                                                                      #184
                                                                      This thread is funny
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                                                                      • taboo_dude
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                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                        • 707

                                                                        #185
                                                                        Hey Dark Jedi,

                                                                        Just wondering if you are making any more money than you was 3 days when you posted this thread.

                                                                        You are a f*cking moron, it's because of people like you the world is the way it is, with no fucking regards to anyone else beside your f*cking self.

                                                                        I didn't even acknowledge this thread when you first posted because of it being a sick attempt to get your sig noticed or to get attention.

                                                                        Do you feel any better now that she has been found dead? When i just opened this thread I read the first couple of posts to make sure it was the case down in FL. I saw that you were blaming the parents for because of what she was wearing. You don't think girls are smart enough to change clothes once they leave the house? Didn't you do anything sneaky like that when you was a kid? Your telling me that if you ever have a daughter and she is wearing the wrong clothes and then she is abducted and killed your not going to think it's nobody elses fault except yours?

                                                                        You sick freaking ba$tard,

                                                                        If you were in any way associated with my company, advertising it via boards or elsewhere, I would make damn sure your stupidity would never be associated with it again. I don't care if you have a million posts.

                                                                        I hope you sleep well tonight.

                                                                        To all you other gfy's I apologize. But these sick damn posts, posted only to get attention no matter if it is right or wrong is pretty depressing.

                                                                        I know several of you on here and you are good people, but these kinda posts are just plain stupid. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

                                                                        Yea, I am mad and venting. The father of three girls, it scares me knowing what kind of world they are entering.

                                                                        Rest in Peace Carlie Brucia, your are for sure in a better place now.

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                                                                        • Bree
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                                                                          • Aug 2002
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                                                                          #186
                                                                          It's amazing that people continue with this "they asked for it" mentality. Victims don't ask for it. They simply are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

                                                                          An 85 yr old grandmother does not ask to be raped. A 1 yr old baby does not ask to be shaken to death.
                                                                          An 11 yr old girl did not ask to be dragged off and killed by a lunatic.

                                                                          People have free will. The perpetrator willingly makes the choice based on their own criteria -- could be he/she is looking for someone wearing a red scarf or someone that has long brown hair or blue eyes.... there's an infinite number of variables and to claim that victims "ask for it" is an argument that criminals would like for idiots, like yourself, to continue to spew because they knowyou'll never figure it out.

                                                                          You cast the blame on others and never consider the criminal. You'll never know what it REALLY was that set them off and because of your short sightedness, they can continue
                                                                          to prey on their victims who are nothing more than in the wrong place at the wrong time.

                                                                          Go ahead, dress how you think you should dress. Dress your kids that way, too. But when the lunatic is standing over you with a knife saying how much he/she loves your tongue, make a wish that someone else out there has a clue and will know how to track down your murderer rather than casting the blame on you.

                                                                          RIP Carlie Brucia.

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                                                                          • BobChezule
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                                                                            • 779

                                                                            #187
                                                                            The dude didn't grab her because she was dressed suggestively (which by the way she wasn't). He grabbed her because he's a sick mother fucker who would have grabbed anyone standing there when he decided to go off the deep end. With any luck he'll be put to death and the world will be rid of another sick fuck.

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                                                                            • schilli
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                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                              • 265

                                                                              #188
                                                                              You stupid cock sucking dumb fuck!

                                                                              What a stupid dumb ass thing to say!

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                                                                              • JunkyardDog
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 788

                                                                                #189
                                                                                dude thats not right at all. Have some class.

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                                                                                • malakajoe
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 1751

                                                                                  #190
                                                                                  I know it has been said here alot already...but fuck....the blame has to start being pointed completely and totally 100% at the sick fucks who do this and no one else. The fucker who killed her has a long rap sheet and continusously released from prison. Prison to many is no big deal....they are with there buddies, eat good, workout, etc.... and know they will get released early.

                                                                                  If we continue to not only blame the people who commit these crimes but also the parents, etc... this will continue.

                                                                                  I hope this fucker who killed her and anyone else like him gets what is coming to them one day. No sympathy...no 3rd chances...not from me.
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