So I was in Dark Jedi's post about 2pac and of course here come the people with the "rappers are not musicians", "rap takes no tallent". You guys know me I am the devil's advocate on debates
So here we go let's look at it and let's challange each other.
Is the vocalist for a rock/pop/punk/emo/ska band a musician? After all they are not playing a musical instrument, just "singing" (now a days screaming and grunting or whinning)
Are not most currant bands flipping chords played by what I would call real musicians in the past? Are they really being innovative or are they basically sampling the greats of the past?
Since rappers sample but usually get the rights to do so, how is this any differant than a compilation? Likewise isn't someone with a knowledge of key musical elements such as timing, syncopation, notation, key change etc sitting there with a mixer putting it all together. Isn't the fact that it is remixed later another show of musical knowledge and ability?
And now for the challange:
My opinion is that there is crap and good in all music. But I think that rap has for a while been filled with whitty writters and good story tellers. There are cohesive themes in the music, it is all about story telling. Do you really think it is easy to give to the public a story with all elements going from character development, conflict, rising action and resolution while using words that all sync and rhyme?
So let's go Rap fans, post the lyrics that you say show that rappers are actually saying something in their songs, that it is an art form and challanging. That unlike some other forms of popular music there is substinance and worth in it. Fans of other lyrical styles post the lyrics from your songs that show that rappers are just a bunch of uneducated thugs, no attacking, no bs, just the words coming out of their mouth. Let's see what is really being said.