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jade_dragon · 09-13-2004, 11:58 AM

No military force really trains hard in hand to hand, they learn only very basic hand to hand, simple and to the point movements to be used against other gun carrying people who have also learned very simple and straight forward hang to hand. FBI and CIA train a little more in it than basic military units but I would like you to pull up some pictures of FBI and CIA agenst and look at their build as well as their dresscode and movements. Do they really look like they are about to go toe to toe with you or are they going to use a service side arm or close assault weapon to kill you and roll with plenty of backup? Police and military do not put a huge emphasis on hand to hand combat, this has been proven time and time again.

All I can say is I hope you do not learn anything that will get you hurt on the streets. Unlike most of these systems, asian martial arts teach you about spirituality and part of it is all about how to use your brain to avoid fights, I find that this is lost in these "fight like the military boys" systems.

Here is a way to tell if you are learning crap. Instructor has not trained in the origins of the system.

Trainer says things like If they do this Then you do this or this or this or this. If there are scenarios for everything this is a paper system. True systems teach instantaneous and flexible reaction to opponents, if you are not flowing with the opponent you are thinking and processing speeds are slower then reactionary speeds.

If you do not leave the class the first day feeling like you have been handed a weapon that can easily be used to help your odds in a fight then the system is "Slow". Any grand master of any martial art is going to be a better fighter than the average person, but how many years of intense training did they have to put in to get that fighting effective. How many years are you going to put in before you are even 25% as effective?

If the instructor is under 30 it is a big flare unless he/she went striaght from highschool into training. No one who went to college and had a job while training has seriously had enough experience and intense mental focus on the system to be handing it down to others.

09-13-2004, 11:58 AM
jade_dragon Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: NEW ORLEANS/Baton Rouge BABY! Posts: 1,737	No military force really trains hard in hand to hand, they learn only very basic hand to hand, simple and to the point movements to be used against other gun carrying people who have also learned very simple and straight forward hang to hand. FBI and CIA train a little more in it than basic military units but I would like you to pull up some pictures of FBI and CIA agenst and look at their build as well as their dresscode and movements. Do they really look like they are about to go toe to toe with you or are they going to use a service side arm or close assault weapon to kill you and roll with plenty of backup? Police and military do not put a huge emphasis on hand to hand combat, this has been proven time and time again. All I can say is I hope you do not learn anything that will get you hurt on the streets. Unlike most of these systems, asian martial arts teach you about spirituality and part of it is all about how to use your brain to avoid fights, I find that this is lost in these "fight like the military boys" systems. Here is a way to tell if you are learning crap. Instructor has not trained in the origins of the system. Trainer says things like If they do this Then you do this or this or this or this. If there are scenarios for everything this is a paper system. True systems teach instantaneous and flexible reaction to opponents, if you are not flowing with the opponent you are thinking and processing speeds are slower then reactionary speeds. If you do not leave the class the first day feeling like you have been handed a weapon that can easily be used to help your odds in a fight then the system is "Slow". Any grand master of any martial art is going to be a better fighter than the average person, but how many years of intense training did they have to put in to get that fighting effective. How many years are you going to put in before you are even 25% as effective? If the instructor is under 30 it is a big flare unless he/she went striaght from highschool into training. No one who went to college and had a job while training has seriously had enough experience and intense mental focus on the system to be handing it down to others. __________________ even ADULTS need TOYS icq: 3 6 3 2 6 6 6 7 \| aim: conglomorateman open for business, affiliates and friendships