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  • C-Bass
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    • Apr 2003
    • 3153
    #51
    Are you allowed to only pay the tab if the service/food sucked???


    when they stop you at the door for not paying, just tell them you weret satisfied with the service, so fuck em!


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      • Steve
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        • Feb 2001
        • 6894
        #52
        You have to really suck ass not to get a good tip from me, and if you do, chances are I will tell them to get their shit together, or have the manager bring me another server. My guido blood forces me to tip big.

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          • Peaches
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            • Oct 2002
            • 13933
            #53
            Originally posted by Spotter_03
            Are you allowed to only pay the tab if the service/food sucked???
            That is the situation with every single restaurant I've ever eaten at which had "forced tipping". I've NEVER seen a situation where a customer complained about the service and wasn't able to get the "forced tip" removed. In fact, I've seen people have it removed when they thought the service was good and wanted to leave their own percentage tip. People acting like it's some sort of law must not have ever stood up and questioned it with the Manager/owner.

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              • CDSmith
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                • May 2001
                • 51460
                #54
                Servers that give great service really aren't doing much more *work* than those that give poor service. Being sharp, on the ball, witty and polite take no more effort than being surly, ignorant and neglectful. Again, the only difference to the server is that the smart one goes home with $300 total tips for the shift while the neglectful one goes home with $30.


                Try to always make it a point to let someone in a position of management know that you received poor service. Give details. Don't whine about it, just say it straight out. Don't reward aweful service, and by the same token don't OVER-tip either. Leaving a fifty dollar tip on a $100 meal is a bit ridiculous.... unless the waitress was hot and she blew you under the table during dessert.
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                  • JFK
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                    • Jan 2002
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                    #55
                    Originally posted by Peaches

                    So you wouldn't mind a 15% increase on your purchases so they could pay a "fair wage" but you mind the exact same amount in the guise of a "forced tip"? At least with the "forced tip" you can negotiate the amount with the manager if you received poor service. Not so with the food costing more.
                    Peaches, most restaurants have a menu posted in the entrance, I will look at these quite often, just to see if its what I feel like eating.You can also see if the items are in line with what you want to pay or not. I dont mind going to Mortons, or Ruths Chris Steakhouse and paying the money , even tough they are in the upper end, most of those guys will also provide excellent service , because they know its what the rewards in form of tips come from.

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                      • 123Jason
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                        • Dec 2003
                        • 89
                        #56
                        Forced gratuity should only be applied to parties of 6 or more. In some cases I would even raise that limit to 8.
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                          • Peaches
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                            • Oct 2002
                            • 13933
                            #57
                            Originally posted by JFK
                            Peaches, most restaurants have a menu posted in the entrance, I will look at these quite often, just to see if its what I feel like eating.You can also see if the items are in line with what you want to pay or not. I dont mind going to Mortons, or Ruths Chris Steakhouse and paying the money , even tough they are in the upper end, most of those guys will also provide excellent service , because they know its what the rewards in form of tips come from.
                            That's not what I'm talking about. You seem to feel that the servers should be paid better wages so the majority of their income doesn't come from tips - especially forced tips. Well, guess what - if that happens, and a restaurant has a 15% forced tip, then the employer isn't going to pay them more out the goodness of their hearts so unless they're printing money in the back room, you're going to pay an additional 15% any way you look at it - even for the crappy restaurants.

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                              • GigaRoss
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                                • Dec 2003
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                                #58
                                coming from a restaurant background, I can honestly say how important it is to tip.however,like everyone is saying in this thread,why the fuck tip some asshole that gives you bad service and atitude.


                                has any one been that place in Hollywood where the staff are celeb impersonator and they told to be mean as shit to you?cant think of the name ,i think its named after a football player.thats got to be the worst place to tip!!!
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                                  • Romeo
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                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 1207
                                    #59
                                    I laugh at it. I always tip 20% when I'm eating out. So if they force the 15% on me, thats all they get. I can understand why though, some people are cheap ass's and that's how these servers make a living.
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                                      • Catalinas
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                                        • Jun 2001
                                        • 346
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by JFK


                                        It is an unfortunate situation, and she is caught in the middle. In a fair world restaurants would pay a wage that a person could live on. The cost of the service provided is built into the price of the meal. Do Not expect me to forcibly subsidise some businesses substandard wages
                                        Exactly!

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                                          • DarkJedi
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                                            • Feb 2001
                                            • 28301
                                            #61
                                            Forced tip is retarded.

                                            Anyone who tipps no matter what is 100% OWNED by whereever they are eating.

                                            It is like them marking prices down in walmart, then expecting you to give a tip to the salesperson who you have to hand the money to.

                                            Answer me this 1 thing if you do tip:

                                            Do you tip in fast food places?

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                                              • jhauser
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                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 2924
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Brad Xtremepay


                                                So does everyone else. And that $5 tip could go towards feeding yours more.

                                                Tipping has become ridiculous.
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                                                  • Peaches
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                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 13933
                                                    #63
                                                    A rule I've learned to live by:

                                                    When someone has access to something you are going to put into your mouth, it's best not to tick them off.

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                                                      • Tanker
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                                                        • Nov 2000
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                                                        #64
                                                        I hate forced tipping its always in places where the service sucks

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                                                          • Dirty F
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                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                            • 59204
                                                            #65
                                                            We already had a thread like this.

                                                            The main argument was the waiters get paid very little per hour. My main argument to that was the fact that they make wayyyyy to much in tips.
                                                            Everybody act like the waiters are so poor, they work hard and only get 5 bucks or whatever per hour...agreed but the end of the day they go home with 250$ in tips in their pockets.

                                                            I like it the way we do in Holland. Tipping is not mandatory, you just give a small to big tip depending how the food and the service was.

                                                            The tipping thing in the US is completely insane and out of proportions.

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                                                              • Dirty F
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                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 59204
                                                                #66
                                                                In a club in America the beer bill was 16 bucks i gave 20 and she just kept the 4 bucks.

                                                                In a stripclub some dumb ass waitress dropped all the drinks on the table, everything was wait..including cigarettes and shit. She brought us new drinks..its was like 39 bucks i gave 40 and she was like wtf...you tip me 1 dollar? I said yes you should be happy with that. After that she told me to get my own drinks at the bar.

                                                                Fucking insane.

                                                                Taxi's in NY also drive me crazy. Spending a day in NY costs you 25 bucks on taxis alone..man those guys make more in tips that what the average taxi drive here makes by working a hour.

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                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 51460
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                    Do you tip in fast food places?
                                                                    No, because none of them allow it, at least not here.

                                                                    The only time I tip for fast food is if I order pizza or KFC or something, I tip the delivery guy a couple of bucks, or five bucks on high-delivery days like Superbowl sunday. If he does 30 deliveries that day and makes $1 to $5 a pop, that's not a bad amount for one day for the guy.
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                                                                      • JFK
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                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                        • 67369
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by GigaRoss
                                                                        coming from a restaurant background, I can honestly say how important it is to tip.however,like everyone is saying in this thread,why the fuck tip some asshole that gives you bad service and atitude.


                                                                        has any one been that place in Hollywood where the staff are celeb impersonator and they told to be mean as shit to you?cant think of the name ,i think its named after a football player.thats got to be the worst place to tip!!!
                                                                        I have been to places like that, where you trade insults with the waiters, its part of the ambiance, and you would be suprised the tips those guys get, You are in on the joke

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                                                                          • MattO
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                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                            • 10861
                                                                            #69
                                                                            I've had friends who work in restaurants, and from stories I've heard, when they get an 8 or more at a table, they can relax knowing they can add the tip.. because they're used to cheap ass Canadian tourists who tip 5% if that.

                                                                            My wife waited tables up till the beginning of last year, and some of these old fucks that eat out around here came into the restaraunt just looking for ways out of tips, any excuse or fault they could find to wriggle out of a tip they'd use.

                                                                            Not to say that I tip waiters without thought, I've left a few cents on the table to show my disappointment more than once.

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                                                                              • icedemon
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                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                • 1022
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Peaches

                                                                                So you wouldn't mind a 15% increase on your purchases so they could pay a "fair wage" but you mind the exact same amount in the guise of a "forced tip"? At least with the "forced tip" you can negotiate the amount with the manager if you received poor service. Not so with the food costing more.
                                                                                I don't think your getting it Peaches (or maybe you do and your just having fun with people) I should have the choice of if or how much to tip the waitress. It isn't the resturants job to tell me how much I should be tipping.

                                                                                If a waitress feels she isn't making enough money from her job, she shouldn't be in it. At least if the resturant paid a higher wage to their waiters/waitresses, I would know how much I'm paying ahead of time from the menu, instead of waiting until the bill arrives that the cost of my meal was more than I expected with a forced tip added in.
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                                                                                  • Odie
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                                                                                    • Apr 2003
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                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    some restaurants force a 15% grat b/c of those who don't tip but they usually tell u or it's written on the menu somewhere at the back...in cases of groups of 8 or more they automatically add a tip..most ppl don't tip accordingly so the percentage is added..

                                                                                    it's not fair for the ppl who do tip well but I agreee with you if the food and the service is not up to par then you should complain to the manager about the 15%
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                                                                                      • GonePhishing
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                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                        • 2474
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Forced tipping is like socialism. It was meant to protect good servers from asshole customers. Instead sometimes in ends up that the customer is the one that gets screwed. If servers were good and customers were fair, there would be a balance. Though believe it or not, there are a lot of servers that get totally abused by jerk customers very often. It sucks because the forced tipping is supposed to protect good servers from this. If only people just each did their part!
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                                                                                          • tony299
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                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                            • 57021
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            In response, I have never met a stranger so wait staff like me .I make them laugh ask them about their day. So even if they dont know me I get pretty good service. Secondly to the person who wrote part of a servers job is to be witty thats too funny. A good server to me doesnt have to be my friend if they get my food out quick and dont leave my glass empty I am happy. They are not your personal servant lol.

                                                                                            Very few avg waitstaff not working in fancy restaurants make $250 a shift and if they did god bless them. Imagine being on your feet for a whole shift running around, thats hard work. I go t o Fogo de Chao regularly those guys do well but they bust their asses and I wouldnt trade places with them for anything. It's the people here who berate waitstaff the money they do make are the ones they set up the forced tippnig for.

                                                                                            Also if part of your wage depends on tips you understand much better than those who never worked for a tip.

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                                                                                              • GonePhishing
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                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                • 2474
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                I used to manage a wait staff in college. I always thought that the most important thing is like the other poster said. Get the food out and keep the glasses full. The next thing is be friendly, and finally learn about the customer. I thought that understanding each customer comes there and has particualr seating, heating, ingredient preferences etc. I found that return customers really appreciated remembering how we wanted their food served, where they like to sit etc. The other element is really being able to hold a conversation with customers who are there to be entertained by the waiter. Some customers go out to places for that reason. Also know which customers are there to eat and get out is good. Knowing the difference is the best thing. The ones in a rush don't want to talk, they want you to put all their stuff out and run their bill early. In any case, I found having a set of priorities in service was really helpful.
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                                                                                                  • JFK
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                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                    • 67369
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by GonePhishing
                                                                                                    I used to manage a wait staff in college. I always thought that the most important thing is like the other poster said. Get the food out and keep the glasses full. The next thing is be friendly, and finally learn about the customer. I thought that understanding each customer comes there and has particualr seating, heating, ingredient preferences etc. I found that return customers really appreciated remembering how we wanted their food served, where they like to sit etc. The other element is really being able to hold a conversation with customers who are there to be entertained by the waiter. Some customers go out to places for that reason. Also know which customers are there to eat and get out is good. Knowing the difference is the best thing. The ones in a rush don't want to talk, they want you to put all their stuff out and run their bill early. In any case, I found having a set of priorities in service was really helpful.

                                                                                                    "Get the food out and keep the glasses full. The next thing is be friendly" not too much to ask is it ??

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                                                                                                      • tayloryum
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                                                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                                                        • 423
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        i live in chicago, and i've never seen forced gratuity unless it's for a big party (8 or more, etc.), and in those cases, when service is outstanding, we leave 18-20 percent or even more.

                                                                                                        some vacation/resort cities have places that force tip because they get total clods who don't bother tipping since they are on vacation.

                                                                                                        i would say, don't blame your waiter/waitress if your food is bad - send it back/have it taken off the bill. if your service is bad, complain to the manager next time, and if they don't do anything about it, just don't ever go there again.
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                                                                                                          • biglou
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                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Speaking as an ex-peon who has slung a few plates o' hash in his day (I am, after all, an actor by trade,) here's how I feel.

                                                                                                            If you work in a buffet, you deserve lousy tips. Find a better job. Refilling cokes and clearing plates is not worth 15%.

                                                                                                            If the restaurant has to force tips, then it probably isn't worth eating at (and I would include the Outback on that list.) Part of the challenge of being a waiter is finding that great gig where you get great tips, no matter what the policy. Any waiter who wastes their time working at Outback probably isn't good at it.

                                                                                                            I kind of like the system in Japan, where the waiters make a fair wage and tipping isn't part of the system. The American system simply encourages restaurant owners to exploit their employees.

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                                                                                                              • biglou
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                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                • 595
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                By the way, regaring your comment about not liking to tip whitey, here's an ethnic breakdown of tippers, based on ethnicity, from my experience...

                                                                                                                Black, Jewish - Great tippers, if given good service. A lot of waiters have attitudes about them and automatically give them crappy service, so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Treat them right, and they will reward you.

                                                                                                                Latino - I don't know, they all worked in the kitchen.

                                                                                                                WASP, Honky, Peckerwood, the Man - Cheapest tippers of all.

                                                                                                                Asian - 15% exactly, often computed to the very cent.

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                                                                                                                  • Peaches
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                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                    • 13933
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by icedemon
                                                                                                                    I don't think your getting it Peaches (or maybe you do and your just having fun with people) I should have the choice of if or how much to tip the waitress. It isn't the resturants job to tell me how much I should be tipping.
                                                                                                                    I agree and I will AGAIN remind everyone that I've never once seen a single manager who isn't willing to remove the forced tipping from the bill due to poor service The forced tipping I've seen is almost always for large parties (or take out) and they have it there because those sets of people usually tip WAY below average. I have a friend I eat out with who I now insist on getting separate checks with because she refuses to tip a dime so when we pitch in, it makes us both look cheap. Trust me, especially when drinks are involved when a large group starts divvying up the bill it will almost inevitably end up short on tip. Heck, I used to offer to pay with my credit card for the totals until I realized I was NEVER getting all the money.


                                                                                                                    Originally posted by icedemon
                                                                                                                    If a waitress feels she isn't making enough money from her job, she shouldn't be in it. At least if the resturant paid a higher wage to their waiters/waitresses, I would know how much I'm paying ahead of time from the menu, instead of waiting until the bill arrives that the cost of my meal was more than I expected with a forced tip added in.
                                                                                                                    Again, every restaurant I've been in, if there's a forced tip, it's ON THE MENU And again - if you want the restaurant to cover the 15% that most of the large parties will stiff the waitress on, then tell the manager upfront you'd rather pay an extra 15% for your food since it's basically the exact same thing.

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                                                                                                                      • Peaches
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                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                        I go t o Fogo de Chao regularly
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                                                                                                                          • DutchTeenCash
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                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            hmm same in london went there to a really poshy chinese restaurant great food great service but 16,5% added... id rather give the guy something when its really really good and not forced hate that too... lucky we dont have that here in holland

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                                                                                                                              • SykkBoy2
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