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  • extreme hardcore
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    • Jul 2003
    • 192
    #1

    Will the average webmaster soon be out of business?

    I?m probably not the first person to notice but it seems that the middleman is slowly being pushed out of this business. There are a lot of pay sites and most of them have hosted galleries. Why would a LL, CJ or TGP owner use submitted galleries if they can use 100.000?s of free hosted galleries?

    With the prices for pay sites going down, the amount/quality of content in them going up and the amount of free sites also going up I think that the AVS model will be obsolete very soon also.

    Soon there will only be content producers, traffic managers and paysite owners and with the growing professionalism in these sectors entering the business will get harder, harder and more expensive. slowly the professionals will grow their business and the average webmaster will get pushed out of this business..

    Am I the only one thinking this?

    (edit: yea my English sux but hell?. It isn?t my native language, Dutch should be tha language of the world!)
    Last edited by extreme hardcore; 02-02-2004, 12:31 PM.
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    • sweetcuties
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      • Feb 2002
      • 5859
      #2
      lol

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        • aaron
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          • Mar 2003
          • 4452
          #3
          seems reasonable

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            • Roald
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              • May 2001
              • 27910
              #4
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                • extreme hardcore
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                  • Jul 2003
                  • 192
                  #5
                  Originally posted by QuaShe
                  Run as fast as you can and don't look back
                  Why would I run?

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                    • polish_aristocrat
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 40377
                      #6
                      The average webmaster still can try to grow faster than the industry shirks.
                      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                        • DarkJedi
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                          • Feb 2001
                          • 28301
                          #7
                          the sky is falling !! the sky is falling !!

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                            • Cory W
                              Deeply shallow
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 9133
                              #8
                              I hope that entering the business does become more difficult.

                              The fact that it cost 100k to get a liquor lic is good for those that are serious about opening a bar.
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                                • icedemon
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                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 1022
                                  #9
                                  I think your right. It's even harder now to get a merchant account for someone starting a paysite. Last week Cardservice and Redwood stopped taking adult merchant accounts (don't know if that's permanent or not). Those were the last 2 in the US. The only way to get a adult merchant account in the US now is to be able to bring in alot of money already or try to get one in the EU.

                                  The way of starting a business on the internet with little or no money is slowly going away. Pretty soon, it will only be people that can come up with the money (of their own or investors).
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                                    • Nydahl
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                                      • Sep 2002
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                                      #10
                                      I don't think so - as soon as people have internet connection fast enought there will be private gold and niche sites only.The same situation as on cable TV
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                                        • Matthew
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                                          • Jul 2002
                                          • 194
                                          #11
                                          yep I think this is the way the industry will go, you made a good point
                                          unicorns and rainbows

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                                            • chowda
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jun 2003
                                              • 9527
                                              #12
                                              ever since the dot com busted in 2000

                                              NO ONE has made money on the stock market

                                              NO ONE had a successful online venture

                                              NO ONE has made money online


                                              u believe what u want, but since this biz has a low barriers to entry, ppl will come in all the time.
                                              Someone finds you...
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                                                • SLAiN787
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                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                  • 693
                                                  #13
                                                  No.

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                                                    • extreme hardcore
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                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                      • 192
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                      The average webmaster still can try to grow faster than the industry shirks.
                                                      Well... the average webmaster can't grow faster than the industry unless the big boys are losing a lot (I?m not going to talk mathematics here unless forced to, but think about what you said and you'll agree)

                                                      But if you meant that webmasters who, at this moment, could be classified as average can grow faster i totally agree.

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                                                        • radical
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                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                          • 2876
                                                          #15
                                                          You get out of your business what you put into it!




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                                                            • AnalProbe
                                                              pain in the Ass
                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                              • 3727
                                                              #16
                                                              Never.

                                                              You're a businessman or you are not.

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                                                                • extreme hardcore
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                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                  • 192
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by AnalProbe
                                                                  Never.

                                                                  You're a businessman or you are not.
                                                                  The average webmaster is not the average business man. Until a few years ago anyone could make money in this business, today a lot of people can make money and in the near future only some will make money in my opinion.

                                                                  The frontier guys will have to find a new business to profit from.

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                                                                    • polish_aristocrat
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                      • 40377
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by extreme hardcore



                                                                      But if you meant that webmasters who, at this moment, could be classified as average can grow faster i totally agree.
                                                                      That's what I had in mind.
                                                                      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                        • Mike-BP
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                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                          • 1270
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Gallery submitters are gone at the end of 2004 - for sure.
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                                                                            • mastamindz
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                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 3547
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Anyone can make money if they have the drive.
                                                                              If you click here, you will make money.

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                                                                                • axelcat
                                                                                  Adult Locals
                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                  • 25450
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Theres more webmasters coming into the biz than leaving

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                                                                                    • Raven
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                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 6874
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      There are successful webmasters in this industry who never post on a message board, nor do they go to conferences and do just fine.

                                                                                      There are plenty of ways to make money in this industry.
                                                                                      Raven

                                                                                      ~RETIRED~

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                                                                                        • extreme hardcore
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                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 192
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by mastamindz
                                                                                          Anyone can make money if they have the drive.
                                                                                          absolutely true! but the question is if it will be in this business

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                                                                                            • DatingGold
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                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                              • 13185
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              how could a paysite exist without webmasters?

                                                                                              other than spam, ppc, branding
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                                                                                                • Quotealex
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                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                  • 6265
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by extreme hardcore

                                                                                                  Soon there will only be content producers, traffic managers and paysite owners and with the growing professionalism in these sectors entering the business will get harder, harder and more expensive. slowly the professionals will grow their business and the average webmaster will get pushed out of this business..
                                                                                                  What's new! They've been saying more or less the same thing since 1999 but small webmasters are still making money in 2004 and in 2009 they will keep on making money.

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                                                                                                    • juicylinks
                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                      • 122992
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      adapt , survival of the fittest when will people learn??

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                                                                                                        • suesheboy
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                                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                                          • 5211
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Harder every year. You can not just build and forget.
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                                                                                                            • brutus
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                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                              • 590
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Yep, avarage is out - there s no life. But ... new models are coming. You can see already first steps on that direction... but the big picture is hard to see... I see it So, webmasters will not be doomed... just avarage...

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                                                                                                                • Intelligence
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                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                  • 299
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Word

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                                                                                                                    • NetRodent
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                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                      • 3985
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Lets hope it happens sooner rather than later.
                                                                                                                      "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                                                                                                                      --H.L. Mencken

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                                                                                                                        • extreme hardcore
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                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                          • 192
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by NetRodent
                                                                                                                          Lets hope it happens sooner rather than later.

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                                                                                                                            • Fluid of Fuck Me
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                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                              • 373
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              first off, sponsor galleries are filler. If you construct your tgp of only those, you end off like oracle porn, with no real traffic cause all his tgps are cookie cutters.

                                                                                                                              Submitted galleries change the look and feel of a tgp more. Then there's niche tgps, search engines, toplists, link lists et et. If tgp was the only game in town, maybe..

                                                                                                                              now, stupid webmasters go out of business real fast. However I'm sure there's another xman right around the corner.

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                                                                                                                                • Rorschach
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 5579
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Some people are just waaaaay too TGP-centric and they just don't seem to be able to see any future beyond submitting galleries to their favourite TGPs.

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                                                                                                                                    • Raven
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 6874
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Alex from Montreal


                                                                                                                                      What's new! They've been saying more or less the same thing since 1999 but small webmasters are still making money in 2004 and in 2009 they will keep on making money.
                                                                                                                                      Well said.

                                                                                                                                      People do think out of the box.

                                                                                                                                      Those who do and work hard can and will make money.

                                                                                                                                      Those who are looking for the easy road, won't.
                                                                                                                                      Raven

                                                                                                                                      ~RETIRED~

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                                                                                                                                        • some_idiot
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                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 1511
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          I started in this business almost 9 years ago on a phone call and a promise to return in kind.


                                                                                                                                          I see nothing different today than back in May 1995. Sure 98-00 was an insane time, but great times come and go, good times are built.


                                                                                                                                          Take my IPSP/gateway away, I'll micropay. Ratchet up the regs, I'll consult my lawyer. Make it illegal in my community, I'll live offshore with my money (and taxes). Aslong as men have dicks and women have pussies, porn ain't going anywher but up.

                                                                                                                                          This AVS pays my mortgage!

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                                                                                                                                            • jimmyf
                                                                                                                                              OU812
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 12651
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by some_idiot

                                                                                                                                              I see nothing different today than back in May 1995. Sure 98-00 was an insane time, but great times come and go, good times are built.


                                                                                                                                              Take my IPSP/gateway away, I'll micropay. Ratchet up the regs, I'll consult my lawyer. Make it illegal in my community, I'll live offshore with my money (and taxes). Aslong as men have dicks and women have pussies, porn ain't going anywher but up.
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                                                                                                                                                • JesseJimmy
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                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 30
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                  the sky is falling !! the sky is falling !!
                                                                                                                                                  only time will tell...

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                                                                                                                                                    • jennym
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                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 1622
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by extreme hardcore
                                                                                                                                                      Why would a LL, CJ or TGP owner use submitted galleries if they can use 100.000?s of free hosted galleries?
                                                                                                                                                      I will answer this from a LL point of view. If we only list sponsor sites, then we lose link popularity, and we lose SE results, and we lose the trickle of traffic that comes from the sites themselves. If all of this is lost, then where/how would we get the traffic needed to make the sales? For my LL, sponsor sites are only lightly mixed in with submitted sites. We would be nowhere without our submitters.

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                                                                                                                                                        • AdultNex
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                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 8985
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by juicylinks
                                                                                                                                                          adapt , survival of the fittest when will people learn??
                                                                                                                                                          True... Darwinism... It's time to shine your stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                            • KRL
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                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 31429
                                                                                                                                                              #40
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                                                                                                                                                                • Roger
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 3181
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  We will survive

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                                                                                                                                                                    • webgurl
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 7954
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      shape up or ship out ... I think thats the saying

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Shoehorn!
                                                                                                                                                                          Die With Your Boots On
                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 22872
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by chowda
                                                                                                                                                                          ever since the dot com busted in 2000

                                                                                                                                                                          NO ONE has made money on the stock market

                                                                                                                                                                          NO ONE had a successful online venture

                                                                                                                                                                          NO ONE has made money online


                                                                                                                                                                          u believe what u want, but since this biz has a low barriers to entry, ppl will come in all the time.
                                                                                                                                                                          I hope you aren't serious for your sake. I know plenty of people who have made a lot of money since 2000, myself being one of them. Plenty of companies have had a successful online venture since 2000, PayPal is a good example. Plenty of money has also been made online, refer to the above example. I want to think that you were joking when you posted that, but there was no punchline, so I am not sure. If you were serious, consider yourself corrected.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Lykos
                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 31027
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Well....let's hope not

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Brad Xtremepay
                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 2000
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  One word: No.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 75760
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Sites are getting smaller and lowing their prices? Not us.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I do see a trend that worries me. But I won't discuss it on a public board.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • chowda
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 9527
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom


                                                                                                                                                                                          I hope you aren't serious for your sake. I know plenty of people who have made a lot of money since 2000, myself being one of them. Plenty of companies have had a successful online venture since 2000, PayPal is a good example. Plenty of money has also been made online, refer to the above example. I want to think that you were joking when you posted that, but there was no punchline, so I am not sure. If you were serious, consider yourself corrected.
                                                                                                                                                                                          it was sarcasm
                                                                                                                                                                                          Someone finds you...
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Basic_man
                                                                                                                                                                                              Programming King Pin
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 27360
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, maybe your right, but why do you think TGPs are accepting new galleries from webmasters? To have more content to offer for their surfers.. and as a surfer, you probably don't like to see always the same design but with pics changing.. thats my
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • DWB
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 31779
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  You can make boat loads of money still, you just have to get in where you fit in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Rictor
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Old Timer
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 12208
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Diversify.

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