Originally posted by PlatinumPimp
Only looking at that Oklahoma bombing faggot makes me shiver. No feeling whatsoever.
Only looking at that Oklahoma bombing faggot makes me shiver. No feeling whatsoever.
50 soldiers devoid of feelings...
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Originally posted by broke
It's will never stop.
Not until the US and the "international community" allows Israel the rights afforded to every other sovereign nation....
Defense of their homeland by any force necessary.
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YupOriginally posted by Digipimp
Is it dying for your cause when you're taking out a bus full of people just living life?<a href="http://www.jensmoviepost.com">
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You are not only fool, but you also support cowards.Originally posted by JensMoviePost
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Bravo.
Cowards sacrifice themselves. Heroes make changes.
The first Palestinian worth hero status will be the one that blows up Arafat's compound.Comment
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when an israeli helicopter gunship fires rockets into refugee camps or residential areas there are people severly injured that are not fatalities. it's easy to take sides but the reality is, both sides are being fucked just as bad as the other, only difference is, israel has money, food, water, electricity, jobs, nuclear weapons, etc etc.. it reminds me of a rich bully that crys to mommy when it gets hit back from the kid its been pounding on every day for years. what the fuck do you expect. for this to end, isreal needs to swallow it's pride or this shit will go on forever.Originally posted by crockett
yes but your stats don't show wounded... when a bus bomb goes off it may not kill everyone but many lose arms and legs and so on... so I'm sure if you had the stats of the total amount of people either killed or wounded they would probably even out... The Israelis just have better weapons so they probably have a much higher kill to wound ratio compaired to the PalestiniansComment
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This is one of the better posts I've read in this forum (non pornrelated)Originally posted by Digipimp
If terrorists really had a clue what they were doing they would have started that shit in the US a few months after the 9/11 attacks which is why I think their capabilities in the US are far overestimated by the media, which is fed their info from our King.
Think about it really and remember the state the country was in after the 9/11 attacks everyone was afraid of what might happen, the economy was collapsing. If terrorists had real capability and intelligence they would have made their second phase a shift to small quick attacks at random throughout the country that don't require major planning. Random shootings and very small bombings at schools, malls, hospitals and what not would have sent the country into all out panic and collaspsed the economy totally.
Imagine how felt after 9/11, now what if you saw random shootings and bombings at work, schools, hospitals and malls. People would have quit sending their kids to school, forcing them and their children to stay home, the government would have had to delcare martial law and put the military out at schools, hospitals, malls and everywhere in the street, spreading themselves thin and everyone in total panic. The the terrorists could have pulled off another major attack.
I think frankyl they were surprised they pulled the 9/11 attack off at the scale they did and they had nothing to follow through with in the US at least. If they did what I suggested they could have collapsed our economy and fucked this whole country worse than you can even imagine.
Hopefully they will not get the chance to try this...Comment
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That's a pretty unrealistic and even dumb view of things then. You never help your cause that way you only hurt it. The average palestinian is just a puppet of a game they don't even know is being played and they're real enemy is their own leadership.Originally posted by JensMoviePost
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Perhaps... but if you replaced Palestinian with American your statement would be equally as true.Originally posted by Digipimp
That's a pretty unrealistic and even dumb view of things then. You never help your cause that way you only hurt it. The average palestinian is just a puppet of a game they don't even know is being played and they're real enemy is their own leadership.Comment
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Thank you but in reality they will likely have the chance to try it. If nothing these groups have shown persistence and the ability to learn and adapt based on their previous attacks.Originally posted by Anna_O
This is one of the better posts I've read in this forum (non pornrelated)
Hopefully they will not get the chance to try this...
If they carry out another major attack I would not at all be surprised this time to see some small followups in the way I described. However the major threat to world peace and stability or the US's stability is not even in the US. It's Saudia Arabia, that is the real prize that Osama desires. So when King Fahd dies which won't be long, look for a war in Saudia Arabia with different factions of the royal family fighting each other. Once pro radical islamisists get their hands on one of two prizes the world will face a major shirt. They desire either nuclear weapons of the massive and largest in the world oil reserves of Saudia Arabia.
Funny enough Saudia Arabia has great missle technology and is working to obtain nuclear technology as well so they may get both in the same place, or else it's one in Saudia Arabia and one in Pakistan.Comment
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That's exactly my point, the enemies are not the citizens but the leadership that herds them like cattle to their own slaughter.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Perhaps... but if you replaced Palestinian with American your statement would be equally as true.Comment
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Agreed. So how do you stop people from behaving like sheep? Especially when the government has a vested interest in having a population filled with unquestioning conformists.Originally posted by Digipimp
That's exactly my point, the enemies are not the citizens but the leadership that herds them like cattle to their own slaughter.Comment
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What makes people do shit like this? If you want to die for a cause, do it on your own. Don't involve other people.
It's sick that this happens anywhere, and no matter who does it, it's just as sick. Just because we are Americans doesn't excuse us from this shit. It's real, it's disgusting, and if we're not careful, these type of common occurences elsewhere may soon inhabit our homeland.
Remember how watching that clip felt and realize that these people deal with that shit everyday. We are blessed to be where we are at this very moment.Comment
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Religion is the root of all evil.
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You know what I see as being a huge influence on this is the internet and technology into the hands of the average person. As we see when we can get cameras and laptops and video cameras into places throughout the world and the internet provides a conduit to show what is out there to people who otherwise would have no idea. To me the freedom of the internet is a key to this. That's if it remains free, our government is generally behind on things so it's likely to end up much more heavily regulated in the next 20 years and we'll see what happens until then and then when that happens.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Agreed. So how do you stop people from behaving like sheep? Especially when the government has a vested interest in having a population filled with unquestioning conformists.Comment
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Wrong. Its not the message, but rather the messengers.Originally posted by TurboTrucker
Religion is the root of all evil.
The people who run and control religious instituions are the root of all evil.
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Without the message, there would be no messengers.
Originally posted by KRL
Wrong. Its not the message, but rather the messengers.
The people who run and control religious instituions are the root of all evil.Comment
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The sad thing is that your leader mr Bush likes to play all by himself. You are the strongest country in the world, but without a joint effort with the UN you can bomb the muslim countries to extinction and the will still (well even more than before) be after you. Everyone knows you got the weapons to do it, but UN is needed to sanctify the operations.Originally posted by Digipimp
Thank you but in reality they will likely have the chance to try it. If nothing these groups have shown persistence and the ability to learn and adapt based on their previous attacks.
If they carry out another major attack I would not at all be surprised this time to see some small followups in the way I described. However the major threat to world peace and stability or the US's stability is not even in the US. It's Saudia Arabia, that is the real prize that Osama desires. So when King Fahd dies which won't be long, look for a war in Saudia Arabia with different factions of the royal family fighting each other. Once pro radical islamisists get their hands on one of two prizes the world will face a major shirt. They desire either nuclear weapons of the massive and largest in the world oil reserves of Saudia Arabia.
Funny enough Saudia Arabia has great missle technology and is working to obtain nuclear technology as well so they may get both in the same place, or else it's one in Saudia Arabia and one in Pakistan.
Look at Iraq. Bush had a great plan for the war, but the follow-up has been very poorly executed. If he had the UN to be involved on equal terms, your soldiers wouldn't be dying over there right now. US is strong, but it can't stand all by its own.
Also, if the Israel-Palestina conflict would be resolved there wouldn't be as much hatred to feed these young men that become terrorists. If Bush wants his country to be safer he should put all his efforts to solve this conflict. Put some preasure on Sharon and listen to the people on both sides that only wish for peace. Israel must start treating the palestinians as people, and the palestinian leaders must strongly condem all acts of terror. This can be obtained only with the combined efforts of Bush and UN.
(and before you word-nazis comment on my spelling, remember that inglish isn't my first language)Comment
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You did great with your spelling so don't worry about it. I just don't really agree with you. I think the UN is nearly a totally worthless organization that should be left out of anything that's not humanitarian. I think that it's good for us to be proactive and go after terrorists, but I think we have to go after them and not get sidetracked like Bush does.Originally posted by Anna_O
The sad thing is that your leader mr Bush likes to play all by himself. You are the strongest country in the world, but without a joint effort with the UN you can bomb the muslim countries to extinction and the will still (well even more than before) be after you. Everyone knows you got the weapons to do it, but UN is needed to sanctify the operations.
Look at Iraq. Bush had a great plan for the war, but the follow-up has been very poorly executed. If he had the UN to be involved on equal terms, your soldiers wouldn't be dying over there right now. US is strong, but it can't stand all by its own.
Also, if the Israel-Palestina conflict would be resolved there wouldn't be as much hatred to feed these young men that become terrorists. If Bush wants his country to be safer he should put all his efforts to solve this conflict. Put some preasure on Sharon and listen to the people on both sides that only wish for peace. Israel must start treating the palestinians as people, and the palestinian leaders must strongly condem all acts of terror. This can be obtained only with the combined efforts of Bush and UN.
(and before you word-nazis comment on my spelling, remember that inglish isn't my first language)
I think that we should go straight after Saudia Arabia's royal family and cut their heads off literally almost. We also have to be able to stick our heads into more humanitarian situations instead of all of our little christian missionairies that are everywhere preaching jesus to you before giving you some food even though you're starving.
There are so many things that need done, but our country the US needs to stay strong and active, but they need to have a better plan for other things that are non military based so that we can do big things in both areas to make a real difference. But what the hell do I know that will never happen.Comment
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Does anyone know if this video (or similar) is shown on Israeli TV? Any restrictions around the time, such as after 10pm when most children are in bed?Comment
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To a very large percentage of the world's population, the U.S.A. is the world's biggest terrorist nation.Originally posted by Digipimp
You did great with your spelling so don't worry about it. I just don't really agree with you. I think the UN is nearly a totally worthless organization that should be left out of anything that's not humanitarian. I think that it's good for us to be proactive and go after terrorists, but I think we have to go after them and not get sidetracked like Bush does.Comment
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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Agreed. So how do you stop people from behaving like sheep? Especially when the government has a vested interest in having a population filled with unquestioning conformists.
take out the nations and or leaders that have a vasted interest in continued blood shed. Iraq was the main one and should have been a lesson to others. Looks like some didnt learn.
arafar, iran, hizbullah, and probably Syria should be next. Their all Arafats life lineComment
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Powerwise the UN is nearly worthless, but people still trust UN way more than the US. Thats why it's needed.Originally posted by Digipimp
You did great with your spelling so don't worry about it. I just don't really agree with you. I think the UN is nearly a totally worthless organization that should be left out of anything that's not humanitarian. I think that it's good for us to be proactive and go after terrorists, but I think we have to go after them and not get sidetracked like Bush does.
I think that we should go straight after Saudia Arabia's royal family and cut their heads off literally almost. We also have to be able to stick our heads into more humanitarian situations instead of all of our little christian missionairies that are everywhere preaching jesus to you before giving you some food even though you're starving.
There are so many things that need done, but our country the US needs to stay strong and active, but they need to have a better plan for other things that are non military based so that we can do big things in both areas to make a real difference. But what the hell do I know that will never happen.
Going after Saudi Arabia would start a REAL Jihad with millions of more young men (and women) as new fanatic followers. It's the Isreal-Palestinian conflict that's the open wound in the middle east. By solving that and, as you pointed out in one earlier post, showing the people what freedom and democracy really is like, there wont be as easy to recruit new terrorists. If civil war in Saudi Arabia errupts, US and UN must actively support the intellectual side that want democracy. (Yes, there are actually people in these countries that WANT peace and freedom)
Well, have to go to bed now, nice to have an intelligent conversation on GFY for a change
PS: another BIG threat to the world today is North Korea. Those leaders are some greatly fucked up people...Comment
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Nearly as bad as the 10,000 a day that die in Africa because pharmaceutical companies refuse to lower there prices or they have no food.
Does America have a plan for all the Iraqi Vets? Places like Santa Monica are already filled with Ex Vietnam vets shaking cans, so where will they make more room for the Iraqi soldiers when they return?Comment
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So when does Bush get taken out?Originally posted by slavdogg
take out the nations and or leaders that have a vasted interest in continued blood shed.
No leader has more of a vested interest in continued bloodshed than he does.Comment
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True, but to a very large percentage of New York, the NY Rangers is the greatest team in the world... What I mean is that all have beliefs, but they aren't allways right. The US is by far an angel, but I think that in hundred years people wont read about USA in their historybooks as a terrorist nation.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
To a very large percentage of the world's population, the U.S.A. is the world's biggest terrorist nation.Comment
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BTW, I'm not pro-Bush, I hope someone a little more civilized would lead your country in the future...Comment
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first off...thanks for a real thread...one that there are so many good points.....well thought out...hopefully i can express myself to fit in the catagory....
my views, like yours are egaully accepted.....
my concern with the whole 9/11 thing is truly "how much did we really know ahead of time and did we have a true idea that it would happen when it did?"...almost like we took a blind eye to the event...like we gave them (terrorists) one so we can start using the military we have been creating......give us an excuse to wage war.....
tragic as that may sound, some things dont add up.....
and with bush in office, this gave the USA a HUGE milatray spending budget......to make the country safer....
then we go after bin laden for a while and then shift to iraq...and we go to war and evil is punished...but are we (usa) just as bad, we bombed cities...think if someone did that to us, wouldnt we be pissed off......whats the difference between when they bomb something and kill innocent people, then when we bomb a building from 30 miles away.....when does the line get crossed and we become terrorists?....does it?
mind you i support my country and i feel we are more aware of safety measures, maybe not alot more safer, because as the video showed, a simple bomb can do a lot of damage on a bus.....and there are alot of people in the world that do not like us.....
i beleive iraq wasnt what all the hype was and we were mislead....i think there are many other hots spots that need to be address (the ones in this thread)......n korea is going to be or next real challenge......(kennedy and castro but with alot more fire power).......
thanks for letting me talk......ill be checking this thread a bunch more.....like the conversation....Comment
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You were not mislead. You believed what you wanted to...Originally posted by Smiley
first off...thanks for a real thread...one that there are so many good points.....well thought out...hopefully i can express myself to fit in the catagory....
i beleive iraq wasnt what all the hype was and we were mislead....
thanks for letting me talk......ill be checking this thread a bunch more.....like the conversation....Comment
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Without the messengers, there would be no one to hear the message.Originally posted by TurboTrucker
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There are 12 Israeli TV stations you can watch on the Net.Originally posted by powerbubba
Does anyone know if this video (or similar) is shown on Israeli TV? Any restrictions around the time, such as after 10pm when most children are in bed?
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Man, this is completely unrelated, those people actually think they are dying for their land, they have no reason to do those kinds of acts here, nor would they find anyone willing, or able to do it, and if they did, the acts would be isolated and nowhere near the kind of serial bombing that's happening in the Levant.Originally posted by Ic3m4nZ
Terrorists will probably do this in the US suicide attacks like that in crowds someday...Comment
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Originally posted by shermsshack
What makes people do shit like this? If you want to die for a cause, do it on your own. Don't involve other people.
It's sick that this happens anywhere, and no matter who does it, it's just as sick. Just because we are Americans doesn't excuse us from this shit. It's real, it's disgusting, and if we're not careful, these type of common occurences elsewhere may soon inhabit our homeland.
Remember how watching that clip felt and realize that these people deal with that shit everyday. We are blessed to be where we are at this very moment.
what makes a person sign up for the army in a time of war? They do it because they belive they are doing the right thing. It's not the sucide bombers fault as it's the fault of their leaders.. There are allways people willing to follow all they need is a leader and a cause..In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Thanks for the link, but I wasn't interested in seeing Israeli news. I was more curious if they show this on TV which would further promote a cycle of violence and hatred.
It almost as if "America stands for freedom and democracy" has a religious feeling about it among Americans. And when someone, particularly a well-presented speech by someone you should be able to respect, like a president, then what they say is basically accepted as much as any other religious dogma. I've come to realize this. Flag waving Americans now scare me, because their dogmatic acceptance of any action, as long as it's for "freedom" becomes okay.You were not mislead. You believed what you wanted to...Comment
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Originally posted by JustSmokeIt
some dickheads 30 years ago took a piece of land from one country and renamed it another. Its fucking land, man.
yea right. it aint just land man.
some of that land your talking about has been owned by the same famlies for generations.
then after a world war a foriegn nation comes along (great britain) and tells you sorry your land aint yours anymore.
then gives your land to a people you havent gotten along with for centuries because theyre god says its theirs?
and those people they gave the land to make laws agaisnt your prosperity?
I DONT CONDONE THOSE BOMINGS..
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You're so on target there but there's more to it.Originally posted by JustSmokeIt
Man, that is gruesome. I can't imagine living in that environment. The guy next to you looks like you, belongs to the same country, and decides to take you and 20 other people out because some dickheads 30 years ago took a piece of land from one country and renamed it another. Its fucking land, man.
Whatever religious act occurred on that land thousands of years ago still happened. What the fuck is going on with this world?
The U.S. govt. and media just-don't-fucking-get-it...
These 'suicide bombers' don't just up and say " I'm gonna kill me a buncha people ", they're pigeon holed into doing it by gangsters who give them two choices:
A.) Blow up a bus or plane and be hailed as a martyr
B.) Don't blow up a bus or a plane and we'll slaughter your family.
Sucky choices aren't they?
It means one thing when a guy or gal does it to make a point, but it means nothing when they hadn't the choice in the first place.
Put yourself in their position. If they don't kill, they and their family will be killed. What would you do? We americans have the luxury of knowing that if we contact the cops somebody will do something. Those folks over there have no one to turn to.
These aren't suicide or homicide bombings, they're 'Blackmail Bombings' and the dumb-ass press should tell the truth for once.Comment
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Originally posted by Greg B
You're so on target there but there's more to it.
The U.S. govt. and media just-don't-fucking-get-it...
These 'suicide bombers' don't just up and say " I'm gonna kill me a buncha people ", they're pigeon holed into doing it by gangsters who give them two choices:
A.) Blow up a bus or plane and be hailed as a martyr
B.) Don't blow up a bus or a plane and we'll slaughter your family.
Sucky choices aren't they?
It means one thing when a guy or gal does it to make a point, but it means nothing when they hadn't the choice in the first place.
Put yourself in their position. If they don't kill, they and their family will be killed. What would you do? We americans have the luxury of knowing that if we contact the cops somebody will do something. Those folks over there have no one to turn to.
These aren't suicide or homicide bombings, they're 'Blackmail Bombings' and the dumb-ass press should tell the truth for once.
So let's give these people land, sovereignty, and respect.Comment
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