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  • CDSmith
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • May 2001
    • 51460
    #1

    My thoughts on persuading girls to model for you

    I see many guys who produce porn and nude modelling content on here from time to time talking about this girl or that, saying they are "working on her", or "trying to get her to...." etc.

    My advice....


    Don't "work" on anyone.
    Don't talk anyone into anything
    Don't keep bringing it up once she's declined you once.
    Don't try to pursuade a girl to do something she's not 100% comfortable with.

    PERIOD.


    To do otherwise will prove to be your folly. There are way too many girls out there in the world who are into this industry for you to be "working on" anyone like a scavenger. Keep doing that and it WILL come back to haunt you... as in bite you in your persuasive ass.

    Approach a girl once. Tell her everything, sell her on all the benefits once. Give her the big picture once. You can even have another girl with you to offer support that what you're saying is true and that the money is good etc. If after all that she isn't interested, let her go and move the fuck on.

    Work on nobody.


    Are we clear?
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    • nightmessiah
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      • Jun 2004
      • 66
      #2
      well said

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        • egonetworks
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2004
          • 6706
          #3
          There are some people worth working on - I know I've had an agent working on a particular girl during his free time - and I've taken that same girl out numerous times; it'll happen. Sometimes it's worth the investment

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            • The Heron
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2001
              • 4496
              #4
              I concur! Some people of course are too stupid to see what you are saying...

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                • CDSmith
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • May 2001
                  • 51460
                  #5
                  Originally posted by egonetworks
                  There are some people worth working on - I know I've had an agent working on a particular girl during his free time - and I've taken that same girl out numerous times; it'll happen. Sometimes it's worth the investment
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                    • egonetworks
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 6706
                      #6
                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                      Beautiful image

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                        • neewwman
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                          • Jan 2002
                          • 1737
                          #7
                          Sounds like good advice 00

                          Unless the girl you're "working on" looks like Aria Giovanni or something.

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                            • AaronM
                              GFY Royality ;)
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 46917
                              #8
                              Originally posted by CDSmith
                              I see many guys who produce porn and nude modelling content on here from time to time talking about this girl or that, saying they are "working on her", or "trying to get her to...." etc.

                              My advice....


                              Don't "work" on anyone.
                              Don't talk anyone into anything
                              Don't keep bringing it up once she's declined you once.
                              Don't try to pursuade a girl to do something she's not 100% comfortable with.

                              PERIOD.


                              To do otherwise will prove to be your folly. There are way too many girls out there in the world who are into this industry for you to be "working on" anyone like a scavenger. Keep doing that and it WILL come back to haunt you... as in bite you in your persuasive ass.

                              Approach a girl once. Tell her everything, sell her on all the benefits once. Give her the big picture once. You can even have another girl with you to offer support that what you're saying is true and that the money is good etc. If after all that she isn't interested, let her go and move the fuck on.

                              Work on nobody.


                              Are we clear?
                              This is worth a re-post.

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                                • CDSmith
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 51460
                                  #9
                                  Ego, I've got years of experience in large scale model & talent recruitment under my belt. Please don't presume to waltz in here and disagree with me on this point, because if you do you lose. It's as simple as that.

                                  If you are operating in a professional manner, you will listen to what I've said and stop *working on* girls who say they aren't 100% into the idea of participating in what you're offering them.

                                  Your call of course, it's your business.
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                                    • uchase/webpry
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 2085
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                      Are we clear?
                                      ... I always thought the whole idea about producing content is just a cheap excuse to get some pussy. guess I was wrong.

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                                        • Webby
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                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 14956
                                          #11
                                          CDSmith:

                                          I see many guys who produce porn and nude modelling content on here from time to time talking about this girl or that, saying they are "working on her", or "trying to get her to...." etc.
                                          Totally agree!

                                          That is just a load of "amateur wannabee's" talking crap.

                                          Our studio girl has something over 250 - 300 girls on the books - not one of them needs "working on" - they do it as a biz and earn. Some do certain stuff - some dont. Nobody has time to talk shit and "work" on them..
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                                            • egonetworks
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2004
                                              • 6706
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by CDSmith
                                              Ego, I've got years of experience in large scale model & talent recruitment under my belt. Please don't presume to waltz in here and disagree with me on this point, because if you do you lose. It's as simple as that.

                                              If you are operating in a professional manner, you will listen to what I've said and stop *working on* girls who say they aren't 100% into the idea of participating in what you're offering them.

                                              Your call of course, it's your business.
                                              We don't *work on girls* that caught our eye on the beach - we *work on girls* that we've known for years upon years, that have worked for us in the past under different agreements; and girls that have given us a rain check, as they had to wait for a certain part of their current load to clear.

                                              I for one know that time is money, and I don't waste my time on someone or something that isn't worth the prize. It might be my mainstream way of thinking, since mainstream sales cycles are usually 6 to 8 months - but either way, it all works out in the end.

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                                                • CDSmith
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 51460
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by egonetworks
                                                  We don't *work on girls* that caught our eye on the beach - we *work on girls* that we've known for years upon years, that have worked for us in the past under different agreements; and girls that have given us a rain check, as they had to wait for a certain part of their current load to clear.

                                                  I for one know that time is money, and I don't waste my time on someone or something that isn't worth the prize. It might be my mainstream way of thinking, since mainstream sales cycles are usually 6 to 8 months - but either way, it all works out in the end.
                                                  Work on nobody. That's my advice. Take it or leave it.
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                                                    • FlyingIguana
                                                      aspiring banker
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 10870
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by uchase/webpry
                                                      ... I always thought the whole idea about producing content is just a cheap excuse to get some pussy. guess I was wrong.
                                                      pussy? give it up already, we already know you love the cock

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                                                        • egonetworks
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                          • 6706
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                          Work on nobody. That's my advice. Take it or leave it.
                                                          Left it, but appreciate the input.

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                                                            • CDSmith
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 51460
                                                              #16
                                                              Some get it. Some don't. Some never will.
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                                                                • egonetworks
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                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                  • 6706
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                  Some get it. Some don't. Some never will.
                                                                  And some are just outside viewers of what's going on and don't see the circumstances.

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                                                                    • CDSmith
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 51460
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Dude, I know all the circumstances. All. I've processed, managed and recruited well over 1500 models, interviewed probably 3 times that many over the past 6 years. I'm not going to argue this point with you, do whatever the fuck turns your crank.
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                                                                        • QuaWee
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                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                          • 5791
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                          where do u guys get these images from?
                                                                          i luv mainstream

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                                                                            • Jim_Gunn
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                              • 5702
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Really depends on the girls, and sometimes it is a matter of timing too. I personally have brought hundreds of first-time models intothe adult biz in the last twelve years or so and not all of them said yes the first time. There are some girls that need a little extra convincing, but since I have good references from my exisiting models and a pretty good rep in the biz and a good rap with new girls, it sometimes pays off to let a potential model get to know you and see what you are all about so she can come around. Luckilly, they all have a good experience with me once they started so it works out for all of us.

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                                                                                • CDSmith
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                  • 51460
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                                                  let a potential model get to know you and see what you are all about so she can come around.
                                                                                  Yes, let her come around on her own.... exactly my point. Don't "convince"...... allow.

                                                                                  Again, with so many girls out there fully willing to participate, there is no reason to try to persuade anyone. My whole point is summed up in what you just said. To paraphrase, it's....

                                                                                  Let the girl take her time and get comfortable fully.
                                                                                  If she comes around, great.
                                                                                  If she doesn't, forget about her.
                                                                                  Don't *work* on her.
                                                                                  Dont keep at her.
                                                                                  Don't pressure her.
                                                                                  Don't keep jibba-jabbering your mouth at her.
                                                                                  Be professional.
                                                                                  Find girls who do want to participate.
                                                                                  Let the others come around at their own pace.



                                                                                  I don't know how or even why anyone would want to belabour this point with me. Any professional with any experience in model recruitment should be able to agree with this advice.
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                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                      • 52942
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by uchase/webpry
                                                                                      ... I always thought the whole idea about producing content is just a cheap excuse to get some pussy. guess I was wrong.
                                                                                      My God have you got a lot to learn.

                                                                                      You need to sell the content to make it cheap. Most of those doing it the way you describe will never produce something worth selling.

                                                                                      It's becasue I could always get laid that made me a good pornogrpher, not the other way around.

                                                                                      Anyway our operation cost a bit more than your average hooker.



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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                          Dude, I know all the circumstances. All. I've processed, managed and recruited well over 1500 models, interviewed probably 3 times that many over the past 6 years. I'm not going to argue this point with you, do whatever the fuck turns your crank.
                                                                                          I just did the sums, you must be seeing two models a day EVERY day of the year. Including Xmas day. You are busy.



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                                                                                            • detoxed
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                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 17798
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              A little cocaine always helps persuade them

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                                                                                                • Marcus Aurelius
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                  • 14809
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                  I see many guys who produce porn and nude modelling content on here from time to time talking about this girl or that, saying they are "working on her", or "trying to get her to...." etc.

                                                                                                  My advice....


                                                                                                  Don't "work" on anyone.
                                                                                                  Don't talk anyone into anything
                                                                                                  Don't keep bringing it up once she's declined you once.
                                                                                                  Don't try to pursuade a girl to do something she's not 100% comfortable with.

                                                                                                  PERIOD.


                                                                                                  To do otherwise will prove to be your folly. There are way too many girls out there in the world who are into this industry for you to be "working on" anyone like a scavenger. Keep doing that and it WILL come back to haunt you... as in bite you in your persuasive ass.

                                                                                                  Approach a girl once. Tell her everything, sell her on all the benefits once. Give her the big picture once. You can even have another girl with you to offer support that what you're saying is true and that the money is good etc. If after all that she isn't interested, let her go and move the fuck on.

                                                                                                  Work on nobody.


                                                                                                  Are we clear?

                                                                                                  Worth another repost. thats very good advice.

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                                                                                                    • CDSmith
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                                      • 51460
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                      I just did the sums, you must be seeing two models a day EVERY day of the year. Including Xmas day. You are busy.
                                                                                                      I used to set mass interviews for a week at a time. I would handle up to 500 calls in a week, meet with over 200 of them the next week, end up working with maybe 10 after that. 3 or 4 of those 10 would be extra-reliable, the rest only so-so.

                                                                                                      I did recruitments like that several times a year from 98 to 01. I had quite a management & referral operation going then.
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                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          We have a method we employ and used it to good effect for years.

                                                                                                          We tell the girl the work available from us, we do not tell her what is required of her. We then ask the girl to tell us what she will do. If the girl is not willing to do enough to make it saleable we tell her and let her go.

                                                                                                          In the US or UK I found girls would suddenly decide to do more to earn money, here they tend to walk out. I found that in "Poor" countries the need to earn money is less than in "Rich" countries.

                                                                                                          If a girl is unsure about doing a scene with a vibrator or another girl one of my female assistants will tell the girl how nice vibrators or sex with girls is. Ususally works.

                                                                                                          Often down the line a girl will decide to do something a bit stronger, she will model with a boy if you have a drop dead good looking one.

                                                                                                          But then WTF do I know?



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                                                                                                            • CDSmith
                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                                              • 51460
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Paul, if you ever want to recruit in Winnipeg and then come here to shoot, pay me $2500 + a few hundred for newspaper ad fees and I will run a mass recruitment for you too. I guaranty you will have quite a stable of very nice Canadian models to work with by the time you get here.

                                                                                                              That goes for anyone else that shoots solo girl content.
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                                                                                                                • Steen2
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                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                  • 7662
                                                                                                                  #29
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                                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                      • 52942
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                      Paul, if you ever want to recruit in Winnipeg and then come here to shoot, pay me $2500 + a few hundred for newspaper ad fees and I will run a mass recruitment for you too. I guaranty you will have quite a stable of very nice Canadian models to work with by the time you get here.

                                                                                                                      That goes for anyone else that shoots solo girl content.
                                                                                                                      We pay 20% to agents, they recruit for themselves.

                                                                                                                      Any agent who does not have a lot of girls ready to work is not going to get the money from me to recruit some.



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                                                                                                                        • CDSmith
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                                                          • 51460
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                                          We pay 20% to agents, they recruit for themselves.

                                                                                                                          Any agent who does not have a lot of girls ready to work is not going to get the money from me to recruit some.
                                                                                                                          Well that of course is the other option. Had we spoke back then I would have had dozens of amateur models to choose from, and a few seasoned pros as well.

                                                                                                                          What I used to guaranty my clients is that the girls they would end up having available to them would be:

                                                                                                                          a) pre-qualified by phone
                                                                                                                          b) properly interviewed, age and/or credentials verified
                                                                                                                          c) test shots taken
                                                                                                                          d) test shots sent and pre-approved by client

                                                                                                                          Many clients/photographers/producers want completely 100% fresh amateur talent, the never-before-seen kind of models. That's where I would come in. Agents with a ready stable are usually offering girls whose stuff has been sold several times over, and then some who are brand new. With my service, all of them are new, yet pre-qualified and pre-photographed by me.

                                                                                                                          It works for people who want to focus on production and photography and not so much on recruitment. Your system obviously works for you, I was making mention of what I offer simply for informational purposes only. One never knows what might come up in the future, right?
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                                                                                                                            • CDSmith
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                                                              • 51460
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                                              We tell the girl the work available from us, we do not tell her what is required of her. We then ask the girl to tell us what she will do. If the girl is not willing to do enough to make it saleable we tell her and let her go.
                                                                                                                              That's what I'm sayin.

                                                                                                                              Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                                              I found that in "Poor" countries the need to earn money is less than in "Rich" countries.
                                                                                                                              Interesting how that works but I can see why it happens.
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