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01-30-2004, 04:50 PM

Love him or hate him, he does have a lot of valid points ! Dosent take shit from anyone, calls Bush out ! I think I like the guy

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01-30-2004, 04:57 PM

His bowling for columbine was a really interesting documentry, even though he does look like a big slob

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01-30-2004, 05:25 PM

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His bowling for columbine was a really interesting documentry, even though he does look like a big slob

get past the look, its whats inside that counts

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01-30-2004, 06:40 PM

I am a huge fan of Michael Moore. Sometimes I think he goes over the top, but I think the world needs someone like him to speak up and stand up for the the left. Especially with the media being 90% to the right.
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01-30-2004, 06:47 PM

He's got lots of questions - doesn't seem to have any answers tho..
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01-30-2004, 07:09 PM

The guy ain't stupid and is at least a "voice" - something that others seem don't appear to want to make an effort on, in highlighting some damned obvious problems

He's like a breath of fresh air in a sewer...

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01-30-2004, 07:11 PM

He does have some good points in what he says. The only thing that I do have to say about him is that for every problem he can point out, he never has a solution. My only thing with him is that I'd like to see him submit a better plan to who ever he is targeting.

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01-30-2004, 07:13 PM

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doesn't seem to have any answers tho..

I don't think anyone is employing him to have answers

Some other folks are actually paid, or hold office, to supply the answers. That sounds like the main problem when they have no answers either

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01-30-2004, 07:18 PM

Since there's no independant press and medias in the US (i mean big ones of course) , the country needed a guy like Michael Moore !

What? Hum? You believe that all what is written in the newspapers and what you see on foxnews is 100% true?
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01-30-2004, 07:22 PM

There's a slant to the news, just like there's a slant to Michael Moore. The problem with slants is that nobody see's a wrong as long as it's slanted their way.
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01-30-2004, 07:23 PM

I love Michael Moore. I didnt really agree with his speech at the Oscars but when I watched the dvd and heard why he did it, I give him a big
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01-30-2004, 07:27 PM

love him.
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01-30-2004, 07:32 PM

micheal moore is a good guy with good ideals, but he can be a nazi. He tries to shove his oppinions and ideals down everyones throat

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01-30-2004, 07:54 PM

moore is the left's rush limbaugh

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01-30-2004, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by block
His bowling for columbine was a really interesting documentry, even though he does look like a big slob

god... i hated every minute of that movie. the guy is the biggest fucking moron to walk the earth. thank god i saw it with one of the hottest intelligent women on the planet. otherwise i would have had the theater refund my money.

"Hey, look at me, i am standing in the middle of the street, in the middle of the ghetto in broad day light with a video camera! I am not getting shot at!! The ghetto is a safe place for everyone! All these murders are caused by fear and hype of the ghetto!"

they guy couldn't be any fucking dumber if he tried. i wish charlie would have had his security whoop mike's ass.
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01-30-2004, 08:36 PM

WankTank:

micheal moore is a good guy with good ideals, but he can be a nazi. He tries to shove his oppinions and ideals down everyones throat

If you consider his "opposition" sure are behaving like Nazi's and trying *very hard* to stuff their ideals and opinions down the throats of US people and the world, - I don't think I can blame Moore for getting vocal!

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01-30-2004, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by bret

god... i hated every minute of that movie. the guy is the biggest fucking moron to walk the earth. thank god i saw it with one of the hottest intelligent women on the planet. otherwise i would have had the theater refund my money.

"Hey, look at me, i am standing in the middle of the street, in the middle of the ghetto in broad day light with a video camera! I am not getting shot at!! The ghetto is a safe place for everyone! All these murders are caused by fear and hype of the ghetto!"

they guy couldn't be any fucking dumber if he tried. i wish charlie would have had his security whoop mike's ass.

I think you got the wrong impression of it.

He rarely ever tells you how things should be or what is right , he merely tells you whats wrong

Its very captivating to be able to sit in the middle and ask questions.

Someone will flip flop it on him eventually Catch him with a hooker, or a mexican maid , or snorting coke , etc..

To be honest politics and america is like that will smith movie with the aliens. If everyone knew the truth we would all freak out and spilt each others heads open and feast on the goo inside.

People are alot more comfortable being lied to
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01-30-2004, 08:54 PM

I can't see how you think Moore does not come up with answers. In "Bowling For Columbine" he came up with two answers. Americas love of guns and fear.

You have a President who is selling you fear every day and the love of guns is clear.

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01-30-2004, 08:57 PM

The answer he gave was to not have a media that plays up the idea that we live in a violent society. Society's not getting more violent, in fact it's getting far less violent. It's not healthy to have a society full of people who live with their defense up 24/7.

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01-30-2004, 09:04 PM

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You have a President who is selling you fear every day and the love of guns is clear.

It's that "fear" which is the tool to maintaining poll rankings.

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.

"And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

"How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

Note the keywords - "patriotism", "fear", "rights".....

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01-30-2004, 09:22 PM

i love michael moore, i look forward to the new film.

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01-30-2004, 09:29 PM

I think he's an asshat lowlife scumbag. It's real easy to go around and criticize things you disagree with. It's easy to make anyone stupid when you put them on the spot.

That being said, as much as I can't stand him. I enjoy his work and he does at time raise valid points. He just annoys me so damn much but I can't help but watch him. I try not to take him too seriously and just go with it. It's like that Dennis Miller thread. They are entertainers and nothing more.

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01-30-2004, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

I think you got the wrong impression of it.

He rarely ever tells you how things should be or what is right , he merely tells you whats wrong

Its very captivating to be able to sit in the middle and ask questions.

Someone will flip flop it on him eventually Catch him with a hooker, or a mexican maid , or snorting coke , etc..

To be honest politics and america is like that will smith movie with the aliens. If everyone knew the truth we would all freak out and spilt each others heads open and feast on the goo inside.

People are alot more comfortable being lied to

no no... i got his message loud and clear. he is a fucking idiot. here is an idea... if he thinks canada and those enlightend easterners are so fucking great... WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T HE GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKING COUNTRY.

i live an hour from this guy... and next time i am in flint i hope i see him... i would love to take one well aimed swing at his fat head.
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01-30-2004, 09:41 PM

Michael Moore is as dishonest and as big an idiot for the left as Rush Limbaugh is for the right.

He constantly lies and makes up his own stats to support his own very left wing view of "how things shoud be."

If you rely on him for info, you rely on a demagogue.
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01-31-2004, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear
Someone will flip flop it on him eventually Catch him with a hooker, or a mexican maid , or snorting coke , etc..

I think he'd be fine with most of those and not apologize, nor should he.

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01-31-2004, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by cluck
The answer he gave was to not have a media that plays up the idea that we live in a violent society. Society's not getting more violent, in fact it's getting far less violent. It's not healthy to have a society full of people who live with their defense up 24/7.

He wasn't saying that more than the media, for the vast majority, is only selling fear.

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01-31-2004, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by bret

no no... i got his message loud and clear. he is a fucking idiot. here is an idea... if he thinks canada and those enlightend easterners are so fucking great... WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T HE GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKING COUNTRY.

i live an hour from this guy... and next time i am in flint i hope i see him... i would love to take one well aimed swing at his fat head.

because it isn't YOUR country. It is ours.

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01-31-2004, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Bansheelinks
Michael Moore is as dishonest and as big an idiot for the left as Rush Limbaugh is for the right.

He constantly lies and makes up his own stats to support his own very left wing view of "how things shoud be."

If you rely on him for info, you rely on a demagogue.

I agree completely. Never rely on one source and make up your own mind.

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01-31-2004, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by bret

no no... i got his message loud and clear. he is a fucking idiot. here is an idea... if he thinks canada and those enlightend easterners are so fucking great... WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T HE GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKING COUNTRY.

i live an hour from this guy... and next time i am in flint i hope i see him... i would love to take one well aimed swing at his fat head.

one of the things that makes this country great is that if you don't like the way things are you can try to change them. Why should he leave instead of trying to change things in a way he sees as better. Why don't you leave for wanting things to stay the same?

the same could be said for this biz. What if everyone that hates porn just stood up and said, anyone that sells porn of any kind should just pack their shit and move to amsterdam? Would you just go or would you stay and fight?
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01-31-2004, 12:32 AM

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no no... i got his message loud and clear. he is a fucking idiot. here is an idea... if he thinks canada and those enlightend easterners are so fucking great... WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T HE GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKING COUNTRY.

Well... I never knew anyone "thinking" that some are more "enlightened" than others have to leave where they stay?
Is this a new law in the land of the free?

I sure can definately see more enlightened than others

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01-31-2004, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by kane

one of the things that makes this country great is that if you don't like the way things are you can try to change them. Why should he leave instead of trying to change things in a way he sees as better. Why don't you leave for wanting things to stay the same?

the same could be said for this biz. What if everyone that hates porn just stood up and said, anyone that sells porn of any kind should just pack their shit and move to amsterdam? Would you just go or would you stay and fight?

man... have you ever even heard of michael moore? he is not trying to change a goddamn thing. he nit-picks self-proclaimed flaws in "the powers that be" and provides no facts/data/studies to back up his claims, just a bunch of his theoretical bullshit. he is a fucking mud-slinger, at best.

example of how stupid he is... in his retarded "documentary" he shows a black woman who had a kid out of wedlock and is trying to raise the kid as a single mom. he shows how she has no child care and she works for Dick Clark's restaurant in Great Lakes Crossing... how she has to take the bus and she makes minimum wage or just over... Then he goes and tries to verbally attack Dick Clark for not having day care and not paying his workers enough and how Dick Clark has X amount of dollars and his workers are poor....

if anything these people should be THANKING Dick Clark for opening a restaurant and providing jobs for people that need them...

if i am remembering this wrong, someone correct me. i saw it well over a year ago and i really didnt give a fuck about it at the time.
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01-31-2004, 12:58 AM

I think he is awesome...
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01-31-2004, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by bret

man... have you ever even heard of michael moore? he is not trying to change a goddamn thing. he nit-picks self-proclaimed flaws in "the powers that be" and provides no facts/data/studies to back up his claims, just a bunch of his theoretical bullshit. he is a fucking mud-slinger, at best.

example of how stupid he is... in his retarded "documentary" he shows a black woman who had a kid out of wedlock and is trying to raise the kid as a single mom. he shows how she has no child care and she works for Dick Clark's restaurant in Great Lakes Crossing... how she has to take the bus and she makes minimum wage or just over... Then he goes and tries to verbally attack Dick Clark for not having day care and not paying his workers enough and how Dick Clark has X amount of dollars and his workers are poor....

if anything these people should be THANKING Dick Clark for opening a restaurant and providing jobs for people that need them...

if i am remembering this wrong, someone correct me. i saw it well over a year ago and i really didnt give a fuck about it at the time.

maybe if there was some kind of tax incentive for dick clark to provide day care her kid might not turn into some gangbanging criminal because mum was too busy working to be a hands on role model. Then he steals you car stereo and you get pissed.
I think that was the point he was making.
I know you can glibly say "then don't have kids" but this is the real world that needs solutions not some fantasy land where people keep their legs crossed until they've got dental and a 401k. At least the mother is working and not on welfare.. there should be incentives like childcare to get people into jobs and not collecting foodstamps. If not for their own good but just so their chromosomally challenged kids don't steal my fucking VCR.
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01-31-2004, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by bret

no no... i got his message loud and clear. he is a fucking idiot. here is an idea... if he thinks canada and those enlightend easterners are so fucking great... WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T HE GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKING COUNTRY.

Better yet, why the fuck don't you get out of MY country...asshole.
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01-31-2004, 01:35 AM

typical gfyer: I don't agree with someone therefore he is an idiot
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01-31-2004, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
typical gfyer: I don't agree with someone therefore he is an idiot

wow. typical moron. i don't understand the conversation so i make pointless posts.

i disagree with alot of people on a lot of issues, and many of them i respect and praise.

now. let me say this again. michael moore is a fucktard.

the face that he can say what he said about the president on a nationally televisied awards show just shows you how great this country is and how he should be thanking god EVERYDAY he was able to live in such a great land. instead he spits in the face of the people that allow him to have these great freedoms.

how many people does michael moore employ on a full time basis? how many free day care centers has he opened?

what the fuck has this piece of shit done other then make himself millions of dollars in the exact same way as the people he criticizes everyday???

it just shows how stupid some of you really are... you buy into his rhetoric, he makes millions off YOUR FEARS and you love him for it.

gotta love the irony there.
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01-31-2004, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

maybe if there was some kind of tax incentive for dick clark to provide day care her kid might not turn into some gangbanging criminal because mum was too busy working to be a hands on role model. Then he steals you car stereo and you get pissed.
I think that was the point he was making.
I know you can glibly say "then don't have kids" but this is the real world that needs solutions not some fantasy land where people keep their legs crossed until they've got dental and a 401k. At least the mother is working and not on welfare.. there should be incentives like childcare to get people into jobs and not collecting foodstamps. If not for their own good but just so their chromosomally challenged kids don't steal my fucking VCR.

that makes no sense. you say "this is the real world" in one sentance and you have the balls to say that dick clark should provide day care for some slut that got knocked up and can't afford the kid.

you are goddamn right this is the real world. she got fucked, she got preggo, she kept the fucking kid. now SHE needs to deal with HER problem. dick clark didn't fuck her, dick clark didnt make her have the kid, WHY THE FUCK SHOULD HE PAY FOR IT????

i am sorry, i am so fucking sick of everyone trying to blame their problems on someone else and saying that it's not their fault, and someone else should pay for their mistakes. you have a kid you fucking take care of it. my parents took care of me they didnt bitch and moan curse corporate america for not helping them, why the fuck can't these people take care of their own kids. my dad worked 3 jobs to support our family. there were days he slept 2 hours, some days he didnt sleep at all. but thats what the fuck you have to do sometimes... not bitch and cry because someone isnt spoon feeding you and cleaning up your fucking messes.
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01-31-2004, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by bret

i live an hour from this guy... and next time i am in flint i hope i see him... i would love to take one well aimed swing at his fat head.

Ahh, what a typical answer for someone that is either: a) White Trash, b) 16 years old.

Don't take everything Michael Moore says literally, take it with a grain of salt, process it, think about it. There's a reason he's presenting it like this, he wants you to think for yourself, make your own opinion.
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01-31-2004, 10:40 AM

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Ahh, what a typical answer for someone that is either: a) White Trash, b) 16 years old.

Don't take everything Michael Moore says literally, take it with a grain of salt, process it, think about it. There's a reason he's presenting it like this, he wants you to think for yourself, make your own opinion.

shit dawg... i iz both... now get the fuck away from my trailor befo i shots yoh azz.

oh my god. you guys are making him out to be something that he certainly is not. he is not trying to liberate your mind he is a angry little boy trapped in a fat man's body.
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01-31-2004, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by bret

wow. typical moron. i don't understand the conversation so i make pointless posts.

i disagree with alot of people on a lot of issues, and many of them i respect and praise.

now. let me say this again. michael moore is a fucktard.

the face that he can say what he said about the president on a nationally televisied awards show just shows you how great this country is and how he should be thanking god EVERYDAY he was able to live in such a great land. instead he spits in the face of the people that allow him to have these great freedoms.

how many people does michael moore employ on a full time basis? how many free day care centers has he opened?

what the fuck has this piece of shit done other then make himself millions of dollars in the exact same way as the people he criticizes everyday???

it just shows how stupid some of you really are... you buy into his rhetoric, he makes millions off YOUR FEARS and you love him for it.

gotta love the irony there.

On what point of my post did i insult you, said that i agree with something that Moore said or disagree? Why so much anger Mr bret?
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01-31-2004, 11:15 AM

you said i am calling him an idiot because i disagree with him. that is not the case. i am calling him a piece of shit beacuse he is one.

i dont ever call anyone an idiot simply because i disagree with them.

the anger is towards people that ridicule and attack a system they know very little about, present no alternative solutions and don't even buy into the propaganda they push.

this guy laughs all the way to the bank and these people still proclaim him a messiah.
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01-31-2004, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by bret

man... have you ever even heard of michael moore? he is not trying to change a goddamn thing. he nit-picks self-proclaimed flaws in "the powers that be" and provides no facts/data/studies to back up his claims, just a bunch of his theoretical bullshit. he is a fucking mud-slinger, at best.

example of how stupid he is... in his retarded "documentary" he shows a black woman who had a kid out of wedlock and is trying to raise the kid as a single mom. he shows how she has no child care and she works for Dick Clark's restaurant in Great Lakes Crossing... how she has to take the bus and she makes minimum wage or just over... Then he goes and tries to verbally attack Dick Clark for not having day care and not paying his workers enough and how Dick Clark has X amount of dollars and his workers are poor....

if anything these people should be THANKING Dick Clark for opening a restaurant and providing jobs for people that need them...

if i am remembering this wrong, someone correct me. i saw it well over a year ago and i really didnt give a fuck about it at the time.

yeah I know who he is and have seen that movie ( and his others ) I agree with you about this part of the movie. That part actually pissed me off because he made it out like somehow it was either Dick Clark or the Governments fault that this woman had a child out of wedlock and was forced to work to support her kid and get welfare. God forbid we should make people work to support their kids. Another part of that that didn't make sense is that he says she worked often 60-70 hours a week but still couldn't pay the rent so she had to move in with the relative. How? She had no car because she took the bus and the bus was free. She got food stamps as part of her welfare for working how much was the rent on here little place be? If there is one thing I know about a lot of people on welfare ( not all of them but many of them and, unfortunatly I've known a lot of them, ) it's that they have screwed up priorities when it comes to money. I've known a lot of people that were on welfare wh had bill collectors calling them, had leins agianst thier bank accounts and were always struggling to put food on the table but they seemed to have $200 cordless phones and cable with ever movie channel and nice clothes. I wonder what we aren't seeing. He never said where the money she made went.

I agree that he often goes on tangents about things that are unrelated and it sometimes sidetracks his point. He doesn't have the answers. He actually does give a lot of data/facts/stats to back up many of his points. If everything he said was made up he would be under a constant birage of libal lawsuits. He does sometimes have the answers. He thought it was wrong that K-mart would sell handgun ammo to anyone. He eventually got them to stop selling handgun ammo all together.

What bothers me is that he is voicing his displeasure with how the country is being run and giving examples of other countries that he feels are doing some things better that we may learn from and you just want him to just shut up and leave.

I don't see him as a messiah or as some guy who's striving for vast social change, but I think he's an interesting guy with some valid points. I don't agree with everything he says. As a matter of fact I dont agree with a lot of it but some of it is very thought provoking.

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01-31-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by bret
you said i am calling him an idiot because i disagree with him. that is not the case. i am calling him a piece of shit beacuse he is one.

i dont ever call anyone an idiot simply because i disagree with them.

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the guy is the biggest fucking moron to walk the earth.

moron comes from the greek word moros which means idiot. It's synonymous of idiot in english language, but you already know that right?

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instead he spits in the face of the people that allow him to have these great freedoms.

Such phrases have been used by various dictators in the past. Free speech is one of your american civil rights. So, nobody allows him this great freedom, at least for the moment.
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01-31-2004, 12:20 PM

soul - don't be wasting your time on haters!

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01-31-2004, 12:24 PM

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how many free day care centers has he opened?

what the fuck has this piece of shit done other then make himself millions of dollars in the exact same way as the people he criticizes everyday???

it just shows how stupid some of you really are... you buy into his rhetoric, he makes millions off YOUR FEARS and you love him for it.

gotta love the irony there.

If I'm not mistaken you are talking about Bush.
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01-31-2004, 01:30 PM

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get past the look, its whats inside that counts

I concur

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01-31-2004, 01:36 PM

The world needs more Michael Moores
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01-31-2004, 02:32 PM

wow. you can look up the root of a word. is that supposed to impress me?

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

Such phrases have been used by various dictators in the past. Free speech is one of your american civil rights. So, nobody allows him this great freedom, at least for the moment.

actually without leadership, military, economics, government, etc... none of these freedoms would exist.

you think just because 200+ years ago someone declaired these our birth rights that everyone in the world is going to respect that? no... you are sadly mistaken, these rights are upheld through silent wars fought everyday... but you already know that right?

get a fucking clue.
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01-31-2004, 02:35 PM

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01-31-2004, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

If I'm not mistaken you are talking about Bush.

hmmm... i don't recall bush making millions off shabby documentaries...

michael moore has an agenda that he himself does not even follow...

all someone has to do is point a finger and say "look, your life is messed up, and their lives are messed up, and it is by no fault of your own... it's the fault of the 'powers that be'!" and you jump right on, check book in hand, and follow... fucking liberals... i swear.
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