Some samples settings for Canon 10D... What better?
Sample 01
Sample 02
Sample 03
Sample 01
Sample 02
Sample 03
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I couldn't tell the difference between 1 and 3, but they were better than 2. Main reason is that 2 looked more washed out and less coloring.Comment
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havent got a 10D.
but on my Powershot S400 i always under expose a 1/3, it uses a digic chip also
http://www.pbase.com/stevem319
look at the full exif data
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Interesting I just got the s400 myself. I will have to keep that in mindComment
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What monitor you used?Originally posted by powerbubba
I couldn't tell the difference between 1 and 3, but they were better than 2. Main reason is that 2 looked more washed out and less coloring.Comment
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They all look yellow to me - what kind of lighting are you using?
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Multiblitz 2 x 250 and PowerLight 1 x 1500 each with softbox...Originally posted by DeanCapture
They all look yellow to me - what kind of lighting are you using?
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attentively see settings
... what monitor you used?
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I told Mixphoto the other day his photos looked yellow. If you are shooting with hot lights you need to make sure the white balance is set to Tungsten. It actually works good.Sig FreeComment
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#3 looked the best if you're referencing the lighting.
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I used flash light...Originally posted by RRACY
I told Mixphoto the other day his photos looked yellow. If you are shooting with hot lights you need to make sure the white balance is set to Tungsten. It actually works good.
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I'm using a 21" Sony Trinitron -Originally posted by MixPhoto
Multiblitz 2 x 250 and PowerLight 1 x 1500 each with softbox...
attentively see settings ... what monitor you used?
Actually, it's not only yellow, it's a little on the red side as well according to Photoshop. The one on top is yours and the one one on the bottom has been neutralized. The readings were taken off of the "white" information card.
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Are you see very yellow images?Originally posted by KRL
#3 looked the best if you're referencing the lighting.Comment
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That's good. What white balance do have set on your camera?Sig FreeComment
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Ideally the red should be 255, which it is in your original pic, but since the other colors are off, the red is more prominent. As you can see the "blue" on the first pic is at 230 which means the "yellows" are overtaking the blue (blue is complimentary to yellow). And because the green chanel is below 255, that means that the magenta is overtaking the green (green is complimentary to magenta). The ideal situation is to have all colors equal 255. That will ensure a neutral image with no color casts.
PS: There are a couple of books on the market that have been invaluable to me regarding this subject. If you want to fine tune things, you might check them out.
Photoshop - Restoration & Retcouhing by Katrin Eismann
Adobe Photoshop 7 for Photographers by Martin Evening
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Custom WBOriginally posted by RRACY
That's good. What white balance do have set on your camera?
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i would white balance manually with a white card. I think the 3rd is probably the best. what lens are you using? if you shot them in RAW mode you can go back and switch the white balance mode up.Comment
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Here's another question - are you using a piece of shit lens or do you have something nice?
You should be able to use flash and the flash setting on your 10D and get better results than that - that color is fucked up man.Comment
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I have the 10D and have never had yellow photos using Auto White Balance
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Tanks! You are educated person! I can do change settings for Canon D10 for receive better color scheme...Originally posted by DeanCapture
Ideally the red should be 255, which it is in your original pic, but since the other colors are off, the red is more prominent. As you can see the "blue" on the first pic is at 230 which means the "yellows" are overtaking the blue (blue is complimentary to yellow). And because the green chanel is below 255, that means that the magenta is overtaking the green (green is complimentary to magenta). The ideal situation is to have all colors equal 255. That will ensure a neutral image with no color casts.
PS: There are a couple of books on the market that have been invaluable to me regarding this subject. If you want to fine tune things, you might check them out.
Photoshop - Restoration & Retcouhing by Katrin Eismann
Adobe Photoshop 7 for Photographers by Martin Evening
They are damn expensive books but worth it if your serious about your craft.
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For this test I used Canon ZOOM LENS EF 28-70...Originally posted by DeanCapture
Here's another question - are you using a piece of shit lens or do you have something nice?
You should be able to use flash and the flash setting on your 10D and get better results than that - that color is fucked up man.
You need attentively study used settings (see pics)...Comment
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I had a canon 10d for a short period(nice camera and big improvement over the D60) then I had to sell it to pay da billz after Adult Check took my rebills
hopefully I'll be able to buy a 1ds in six monthsComment
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it's a nice Sony monitor, not that old.What monitor you used?Comment
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Ok.... Thanks for all!
Parameters for Sample 3:
Contrast: +1
Sharpness: +2
Saturation: 0
Color Tone: +1 (need 0) !!!Comment
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I do some change settings... tell me please, what settings gives better result
Parameters for this Samples:
Contrast: +1
Sharpness: +2
Saturation: 0
Color Tone: 0
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/01_1.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/01_2.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/01_3.jpg
Parameters for this Samples:
Contrast: +1
Sharpness: +2
Saturation: 0
Color Tone: 0
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/02_1.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/02_2.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/02_3.jpg
Parameters for this Samples:
Contrast: +1
Sharpness: +2
Saturation: 0
Color Tone: -1
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/03_1.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/03_2.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/03_3.jpg
Parameters for this Samples:
Contrast: +1
Sharpness: +2
Saturation: 0
Color Tone: -1
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/04_1.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/04_2.jpg
http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/04_3.jpgComment
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No 3 for sure is best before photoshop color balance correction. I noticed the yellow too.
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The Photoshop correction looks the best to me. Obviously DeanCapture as it together. Appreciate the info.Comment
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can recommend this one too. great book!Originally posted by DeanCapture
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Photoshop - Restoration & Retcouhing by Katrin Eismann
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Originally posted by pussyluver
......Obviously DeanCapture has it together. Appreciate the info.
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we use the canon 10d for most of our shoots...just bought the Canon EOS which does better with white balance.
The color is tough to fix in this pic because your file size is small, but what I noticed most is the dark cirles under her eyes.
Here's the way I would fix the pic, but of course I would white balance before the shoot
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One problem I notice with the Canon digitals is lack of contrast, so when we shoot, I do a batch file in Photoshop to increase contrast and give more 3rd dimension to the pics.
Most of our work is video, reality, hardcore, and the pics are not that important, but it's still worth the extra time to add the extra pizzaz to the pics...an old school photo thing
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1 looks a touch underexposed
2 is over exposed
3 looks the bestComment
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Confused - which Canon model has the better contrast?? EOS what? I've heard nothing but good about the EOS 10D. Are you saying its not the best with white balance?Originally posted by PhotoGreggXXX
we use the canon 10d for most of our shoots...just bought the Canon EOS which does better with white balance.
The color is tough to fix in this pic because your file size is small, but what I noticed most is the dark cirles under her eyes.
Here's the way I would fix the pic, but of course I would white balance before the shoot
Contrast Q. Is that all camera problem. could the contrast experience above be a lens issue?
Openly admit I'm a noob on the subject here. Trying to catch up.Comment
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I think a lot of the yellow is coming off the where you are shooting in. We get this problem shooting away on location in apartments.
Try White balancing, also test shoot in different color balance modes. Not sure what the 10D has but probably daylight and automatic. Try them all, also does the WB settings have fine tuning like on the Nikons?
Do you have a computer where you shoot and is the screen reguarly color balanced?
You need to sit down and learn how to use your equipment, read up on all the manuals and then just practise with the camera and an assistant until you can do it in your sleep. Then get a real model in and keep practising. Do not shoot to sell,[b] shoot to learn./b]
When you have complete mastery of your equipment and the pictures are right, then learn the poses. Get a bunch of magazines in the style you want to shoot and study the poses the looks the models are giving out, the settings, etc. When you have learnt it get a model in and practise how to make her pose the way you want her to not the way she wants to.
Then and NEVER before post the pictures on here, at the moment you are posting pictures that show your faults. Come here and ask opinions when you have it nearly right.Comment
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You definantly have a white balance issue. The auto white balance on the 10D is pretty good. I looks like you have some abient incandecent light setting ao orange cast on your subject.Comment
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Your diagnosis - a Delusion Of grandeur!Originally posted by charly
[B]I think a lot of the yellow is coming off the where you are shooting in. We get this problem shooting away on location in apartments.
Try White balancing, also test shoot in different color balance modes. Not sure what the 10D has but probably daylight and automatic. Try them all, also does the WB settings have fine tuning like on the Nikons?
Do you have a computer where you shoot and is the screen reguarly color balanced?
You need to sit down and learn how to use your equipment, read up on all the manuals and then just practise with the camera and an assistant until you can do it in your sleep. Then get a real model in and keep practising. Do not shoot to sell, shoot to learn./b]
When you have complete mastery of your equipment and the pictures are right, then learn the poses. Get a bunch of magazines in the style you want to shoot and study the poses the looks the models are giving out, the settings, etc. When you have learnt it get a model in and practise how to make her pose the way you want her to not the way she wants to.
Then and NEVER before post the pictures on here, at the moment you are posting pictures that show your faults. Come here and ask opinions when you have it nearly right.
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Contrast is improved many ways. Lighting set up, Lens and Photoshop.Originally posted by pussyluver
Confused - which Canon model has the better contrast?? EOS what? I've heard nothing but good about the EOS 10D. Are you saying its not the best with white balance?
Contrast Q. Is that all camera problem. could the contrast experience above be a lens issue?
Openly admit I'm a noob on the subject here. Trying to catch up.
Best thing is to get it as near as perfect in the camera.
The crazy thing is people are buying $3,000 cameras and sticking $300 lenses on the front then wondering why they are getting $300 quality pictures.Comment
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Equipment for this test :
Camera: Canon 10D
Lens: Canon EF 28-70MM F/2.8L info here: http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buyer/ProductM.jsp?nxtg=284d3e_1DCE399549BB703A&kw=Canon _EF_28_70mm&ptitle=3602500&pdir=0&click=n&node=&co re=&page=1&lgnode=&lgsearch=Canon_EF_28-70mm_f%2F2.8_L_USMComment
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What is this about?Originally posted by MixPhoto
Your diagnosis - a Delusion Of grandeur!
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Thanks!Originally posted by Melvin the Dude
1 looks a touch underexposed
2 is over exposed
3 looks the best
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Tell me please what image better for color correctComment
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This is what our new girl Radka shot Friday. She's been with us a week and I've been busy teaching her how to shoot. Eva set the lights. It's a big file, I just cropped it from 3000x2000 and saved it in Photoshop at 10 compression.Originally posted by MixPhoto
Your diagnosis - a Delusion Of grandeur!
All samples here for discussion and discovery best settings...
Please send your samples for discussion! Show your pro!
I think it's a bit red but we can fix that in Photoshop. But Radka has the "porno" touch I think. It was shot with a Nikon D100 and a Sigma pro zoom lens, I personally prefer the fixed lenses.
My comments to you were meant to be constructive, they were meant to help you, by continually posting bad pictures you are harming yourself.Comment
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Ok Charly! I see what do you need to correct their own images also... The Digital cameras have problem with color scheme... need correct colors but I want get better result for designers...
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That's damn nice color right out of the camera Paul!Originally posted by charly
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Lok at what my model is in and your model. You are picking up too much bounced yellow saturated light from the surroundings. Light bounces and everytime it does it picks up something of the color it bounces off of, as in a gold umbrella.
Mine now looks a little blue here and in Photoshop it looked red, but I'm picking at things. It works within our style. Try a meter reading off the white frame around the picture.
You have to get the model into a different setting or use some throws over the sofa. The girls skin tone seems fine, but the overall effect is a "brown" picture.
The shadow under the eyes is due to the front light being too high, drop it and it might improve, but then beware of reflected light. To measure that I think you can use that light meter.
My suggestion is make a trip to IKEA and buy some of the furniture there. Some porn mags are like an IKEA catalogue. LOLComment
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You are not going to be able to get good information by taking readings off of someones skin. Skin is supposed to have color to it and therefore will not give you the information that you are seeking. You should take your photoshop readings off of the white card. Read the numbers on the white card - they should all be the same number (red=255, green=255, blue=255). If the numbers are not all the same, you will know what colors are giving you the color cast and then know how to correct the cast.Originally posted by MixPhoto
I do like the fact that you are testing this new camera before you shoot something important with it. I think you have the right idea with the white cardboard cards - I used to test slide film in this fashion many years ago when I shot slide film. Most people who shoot content in this industry would not have taken the steps that you have already taken to try to fine tune your camera settings.
Good luck,
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can we see some nudie pics of her
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Reflected light and reflected color... For this test I used home furniture...Originally posted by charly
Lok at what my model is in and your model. You are picking up too much bounced yellow saturated light from the surroundings. Light bounces and everytime it does it picks up something of the color it bounces off of, as in a gold umbrella.
Mine now looks a little blue here and in Photoshop it looked red, but I'm picking at things. It works within our style. Try a meter reading off the white frame around the picture.
You have to get the model into a different setting or use some throws over the sofa. The girls skin tone seems fine, but the overall effect is a "brown" picture.
The shadow under the eyes is due to the front light being too high, drop it and it might improve, but then beware of reflected light. To measure that I think you can use that light meter.
My suggestion is make a trip to IKEA and buy some of the furniture there. Some porn mags are like an IKEA catalogue. LOL
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Hey Mix - here's some damn good reading in regards to color, color management and digital workflow. It's been helpful to me more than once:Originally posted by MixPhoto
Reflected light and reflected color... For this test I used home furniture...
http://www.normankoren.com/
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Thanks Dean!Originally posted by DeanCapture
You are not going to be able to get good information by taking readings off of someones skin. Skin is supposed to have color to it and therefore will not give you the information that you are seeking. You should take your photoshop readings off of the white card. Read the numbers on the white card - they should all be the same number (red=255, green=255, blue=255). If the numbers are not all the same, you will know what colors are giving you the color cast and then know how to correct the cast.
I do like the fact that you are testing this new camera before you shoot something important with it. I think you have the right idea with the white cardboard cards - I used to test slide film in this fashion many years ago when I shot slide film. Most people who shoot content in this industry would not have taken the steps that you have already taken to try to fine tune your camera settings.
Good luck,
Dean*
I make this tests for all... If this thread is created only for blabbermouths... I shall be distressedComment
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