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  • Steen2
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    • Feb 2004
    • 7662
    #1

    2257 why is it an issue?

    Why is 2257 an issue for people who...

    Example:

    Live in Cuba
    Host in Cuba
    Use a Cuban CC processor


    Why does anything like 2257 affect them?
    Or does it?

    PS: Cuba is just an example country, could be Canada, Kuwait or any other non-American country.
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    • AaronM
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      • Oct 2001
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      #2
      This could be an interesting thread full of ignorance.

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        • sumphatpimp
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          good dope heh?

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            • bignasty
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              • Nov 2003
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              #4
              It is of importance to the content producers though. If they are not in compliance they won't get much content sales to US webmasters
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                • Alltopnotch
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                  • May 2004
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                  #5
                  its a US law...
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                    • EscortBiz
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by Steen2
                      Why is 2257 an issue for people who...

                      Example:

                      Live in Cuba
                      Host in Cuba
                      Use a Cuban CC processor


                      Why does anything like 2257 affect them?
                      Or does it?

                      PS: Cuba is just an example country, could be Canada, Kuwait or any other non-American country.
                      you are right people who live, host and bill in cuba should not worry about 2257 at all they should worry about their life and about the billing company who will last a few months

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                        • xclusive
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                          Well you won't have as much of an issue but if the us government finds out they could block your isp and it's range from being accesed by the US market. We will see where this all goes though because I have a bad feeling that this is only the first card up thier sleeve...

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                            • AaronM
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                              • Oct 2001
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by bignasty
                              It is of importance to the content producers though. If they are not in compliance they won't get much content sales to US webmasters
                              There has not been a major impact from that in the past. What makes you think that things are any different now?
                              Last edited by AaronM; 09-04-2004, 05:18 PM.

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                                • Steen2
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                                  • Feb 2004
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                                  #9
                                  So:

                                  You won't be able to buy US made content..

                                  and

                                  US ISPs may block your site(s)

                                  Is that correct?
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                                    • AaronM
                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                      • Oct 2001
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Steen2
                                      So:

                                      You won't be able to buy US made content..

                                      and

                                      US ISPs may block your site(s)

                                      Is that correct?

                                      See my first reply to this thread.

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                                        • William-Xfactor
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                                          • Mar 2004
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                                          #11
                                          I posted this in another thread already but chew on this.

                                          FBI rocks up to your site, the first thing they see is, DOT COM or DOT NET

                                          Your company is out side the USA, Your host is outside the USA.
                                          But your domains are owned by the USA


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                                            • Apollo
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                                              • Sep 2002
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by xclusive
                                              Well you won't have as much of an issue but if the us government finds out they could block your isp and it's range from being accesed by the US market. We will see where this all goes though because I have a bad feeling that this is only the first card up thier sleeve...
                                              Yeah, they do a great job of that with all the cp and beast sites floating around the net that are hosted outside the US which will always be worse than a site that doesn't have up to date 2257 information w/ available information on where to locate the model.

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                                                • bignasty
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                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                  There has not been a major impact from that in the past. What makes you think that things are any different now?
                                                  I don't know if you misunderstood me, but I was talking about the foriegn producers that say fuck 2257 and won't comply. Any US webmasters serious about their shit aint gonna buy from them. But then again I'm talking serious webmasters, too many aint serious about this business.
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                                                    • AaronM
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                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 46917
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by bignasty
                                                      I don't know if you misunderstood me, but I was talking about the foriegn producers that say fuck 2257 and won't comply. Any US webmasters serious about their shit aint gonna buy from them. But then again I'm talking serious webmasters, too many aint serious about this business.
                                                      Of course I understood what you were saying. The fact of that matter is that people still buy non-compliant content. More importantly, AVN recently reported that about 95% of adult sites are not compliant.

                                                      Are you saying that the serious webmasters represent only a 5% share of the market?

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                                                        • bignasty
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                                                          • Nov 2003
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by AaronM


                                                          Are you saying that the serious webmasters represent only a 5% share of the market?
                                                          judging by the posts here on gfy I think 5% sounds high.

                                                          In all seriousness, if you can't comply with the laws regarding your business, you need to get out.
                                                          Last edited by bignasty; 09-04-2004, 05:41 PM.
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                                                            • AaronM
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                                                              • Oct 2001
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by bignasty
                                                              judging by the posts here on gfy I think 5% sounds high.

                                                              The top 5% of webmasters don't even post to GFY on a regular basis if at all.

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                                                                • Steen2
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by William-Xfactor
                                                                  I posted this in another thread already but chew on this.

                                                                  FBI rocks up to your site, the first thing they see is, DOT COM or DOT NET

                                                                  Your company is out side the USA, Your host is outside the USA.
                                                                  But your domains are owned by the USA


                                                                  Regards
                                                                  No easy solution
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                                                                    • bignasty
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                      The top 5% of webmasters don't even post to GFY on a regular basis if at all.
                                                                      I'm sure they don't. Either way people need to get their shit together or get out. I hadn't seen that AVN report, but 95% of sites being non compliant is higher than I thought it would be.
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                                                                        • freeadultcontent
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                                                                            • Kimmykim
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                              you are right people who live, host and bill in cuba should not worry about 2257 at all they should worry about their life and about the billing company who will last a few months
                                                                              Motherfucking right. Cubans got a damn lot more to worry about besides why they don't have a bank that can process credit cards right now ;)

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                                                                                • tony299
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                                                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                  This could be an interesting thread full of ignorance.
                                                                                  Be nice lol

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                                                                                    • Steen2
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                                                                                      • Feb 2004
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                      Motherfucking right. Cubans got a damn lot more to worry about besides why they don't have a bank that can process credit cards right now ;)
                                                                                      Cuba was an (bad) example.
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                                                                                        • sexeducation
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                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                          • 7315
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Steen2
                                                                                          Why is 2257 an issue for people who...

                                                                                          Example:

                                                                                          Live in Cuba
                                                                                          Host in Cuba
                                                                                          Use a Cuban CC processor


                                                                                          Why does anything like 2257 affect them?
                                                                                          Or does it?

                                                                                          PS: Cuba is just an example country, could be Canada, Kuwait or any other non-American country.
                                                                                          Except for me ...
                                                                                          I choose to host my domains, I choose to have my server physically located in the country with the TOUGHEST laws regarding CP and the protection of those in the "adult industry".

                                                                                          I have more then enough skills and contacts to move my domains - but I choose not to. I choose to fight.

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                                                                                            • stev0
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                                                                                              • Aug 2003
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I'm in Canada so I dont have to worry about the 2257, but seeing as every company I process through, or sponsors are based in the US it could be bad news.

                                                                                              If they go out of business, I get fucked too.

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                                                                                                • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                  mumble, mumble... naturally of course unless they mention international trafficing.

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                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                      Just my opinion but Ashc rofts changes to USC 2257 were directed at the US not overseas. He will want to start "cleaning up" the US in his crusade and not go around screwing with overseas companies.

                                                                                                      Just my opinion, but it will be interesting to see what he does with the revised law in 2-3 weeks time.

                                                                                                      Remember he was hauled in front of Congress and asked what DOJ had done to enforce the law and had to tell them NOTHING. His excuse was the law was not right and needed changing. Did not tell us why he had not changed it already.

                                                                                                      All overseas paysites/webmasters need to do is stay out of the US or make sure they have a 2257 compliant statement on the front of their site. Other than that the DOJ can do nothing, they have no powers or intention to inspect overseas records.

                                                                                                      Content providers need to supply documents with content, but I've been preaching this for over two years.



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                                                                                                        • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                          Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                          Just my opinion but Ashc rofts changes to USC 2257 were directed at the US not overseas. He will want to start "cleaning up" the US in his crusade and not go around screwing with overseas companies.

                                                                                                          Just my opinion, but it will be interesting to see what he does with the revised law in 2-3 weeks time.

                                                                                                          Remember he was hauled in front of Congress and asked what DOJ had done to enforce the law and had to tell them NOTHING. His excuse was the law was not right and needed changing. Did not tell us why he had not changed it already.

                                                                                                          All overseas paysites/webmasters need to do is stay out of the US or make sure they have a 2257 compliant statement on the front of their site. Other than that the DOJ can do nothing, they have no powers or intention to inspect overseas records.

                                                                                                          Content providers need to supply documents with content, but I've been preaching this for over two years.
                                                                                                          True, yet cutting off money to oversea's sites is within their reach until they use the word international trafficing which they will. Same way they made drugs illegal in the US.

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                                                                                                            • studio
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                                                                                                              If you own a paysite and host, register, and process outside the us... I don't think you would really need to comply... But if the new 2257 changes go into affect. Requireing secondary producers to comply. Then it would be in the best interest of the out of the US site to comply. Because all their US affiliates will need to comply or strip out all sexually explict photos from their sites. Which might not be the worst thing for the industry...

                                                                                                              Just my take on it... and yes most all sites do not comply now!

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                                                                                                                • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by studio
                                                                                                                  If you own a paysite and host, register, and process outside the us... I don't think you would really need to comply... But if the new 2257 changes go into affect. Requireing secondary producers to comply. Then it would be in the best interest of the out of the US site to comply. Because all their US affiliates will need to comply or strip out all sexually explict photos from their sites. Which might not be the worst thing for the industry...

                                                                                                                  Just my take on it... and yes most all sites do not comply now!
                                                                                                                  Will you be ok using all non US based processor's as well?

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                                                                                                                    • czarina
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR BUSH! And then may be 2257 will not be an issue!

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                                                                                                                        • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by czarina
                                                                                                                          PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR BUSH! And then may be 2257 will not be an issue!
                                                                                                                          2257 always has been an unenforced issue, yet still an issue.
                                                                                                                          Funny part is the AG overstepped his boundries and a few other things and thumbed his nose at the 10th circuit with this revision.

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                                                                                                                            • fr8
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                                                                                                                              If I understand correctly you cant use a PO Box as your address anymore and to me that sucks.
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                                                                                                                                • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by fr8
                                                                                                                                  If I understand correctly you cant use a PO Box as your address anymore and to me that sucks.
                                                                                                                                  You never really could.

                                                                                                                                  In the revisions though the AG has now dictated that we must be open 365 days a year, and even said from what hour to what hour.

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                                                                                                                                    • Steen2
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by freeadultcontent
                                                                                                                                      Will you be ok using all non US based processor's as well?
                                                                                                                                      There are some strong processors who are not US based.
                                                                                                                                      Moneris for example is an industry leader (for retail) in Canada and offers adult processing.

                                                                                                                                      I am sure the EU has tonnes of processors as well.
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                                                                                                                                        • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Steen2
                                                                                                                                          There are some strong processors who are not US based.
                                                                                                                                          Moneris for example is an industry leader (for retail) in Canada and offers adult processing.

                                                                                                                                          I am sure the EU has tonnes of processors as well.
                                                                                                                                          Thats cool then.

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                                                                                                                                            • Pornweaver
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                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              You all sound so defeated already. GO VOTE FUCKERS! Protect your rights. Fuck the dumb shit, and vote.

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                                                                                                                                                • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pornweaver
                                                                                                                                                  You all sound so defeated already. GO VOTE FUCKERS! Protect your rights. Fuck the dumb shit, and vote.
                                                                                                                                                  Im cool with old 2257 and ready for revised 2257. I already vote.

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                                                                                                                                                    • sexyelisha
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      If you own a paysite and host, register, and process outside the us... I don't think you would really need to comply... But if the new 2257 changes go into affect. Requireing secondary producers to comply. Then it would be in the best interest of the out of the US site to comply. Because all their US affiliates will need to comply or strip out all sexually explict photos from their sites. Which might not be the worst thing for the industry...
                                                                                                                                                      Define sexually explicit.

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                                                                                                                                                        • LadyMischief
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                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                          This could be an interesting thread full of ignorance.
                                                                                                                                                          What he said

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                                                                                                                                                            • Hammer
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                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by freeadultcontent
                                                                                                                                                              You never really could.

                                                                                                                                                              In the revisions though the AG has now dictated that we must be open 365 days a year, and even said from what hour to what hour.
                                                                                                                                                              Where do you people come up with this crap. The law says 'during normal business hours' not 365 days a year.

                                                                                                                                                              (1) Inspections shall take place during normal business hours and at such places as specified in ยง 75.4. For the purpose of this part, ??normal business hours?? are from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., local time, and any other time during which the producer is actually conducting business relating to producing depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct.

                                                                                                                                                              In the U.S. Weekends and holidays are not considered normal business hours.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Hammer
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sexyelisha
                                                                                                                                                                  Define sexually explicit.
                                                                                                                                                                  We don't need to define 'sexually explicit', 2256 does that for us.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • sexyelisha
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                                                                                                                                                                      its still pretty hazy to me from 2256 - I mean does lascviscious (I cant spell!!) behaviour count...

                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not based in the US, but I like to keep knowledgeable. My site features nudes... my hand is down near my pussy but theres no insertions. Is that sexually explicit? It could be argued that it is i guess.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • mardigras
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                                                                                                                                                                          Sexually explicit is whatever they want it to be when they start bringing cases. Most likely the "community standards" thing will come in. I live near a community that was ordered to cover up the covers of Cosmopolitan and Glamour magazines...
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                                                                                                                                                                            • sexyelisha
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                                                                                                                                                                              omg!! cover up cosmo and glamour!?! what is the world coming to!? I can understand news stands covering up porn mags because anyone can openly see them, but normal womens magazines!? Its just stupid

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Doctor Dre
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                                                                                                                                                                                  You will have hard time doing business without any US based program (3rd party billing etc)
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • FlyingIguana
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      if you live in cuba you have bigger problems than 2257

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • sirrobin
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by William-Xfactor
                                                                                                                                                                                          I posted this in another thread already but chew on this.

                                                                                                                                                                                          FBI rocks up to your site, the first thing they see is, DOT COM or DOT NET

                                                                                                                                                                                          Your company is out side the USA, Your host is outside the USA.
                                                                                                                                                                                          But your domains are owned by the USA


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                                                                                                                                                                                          No easy solution
                                                                                                                                                                                          huh ?

                                                                                                                                                                                          oh ok you are australian. nevermind
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • jimmyf
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                              Sexually explicit is whatever they want it to be when they start bringing cases. Most likely the "community standards" thing will come in. I live near a community that was ordered to cover up the covers of Cosmopolitan and Glamour magazines...
                                                                                                                                                                                              don't know if community standards applies any more, as far as the internet goes.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Your home is not a community. You watch porn in your home, you down load porn in your home.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sirrobin
                                                                                                                                                                                                  huh ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  oh ok you are australian. nevermind
                                                                                                                                                                                                  the USA does control the root DNS servers

                                                                                                                                                                                                  all of' em pretty sure
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by The Hammer
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Where do you people come up with this crap. The law says 'during normal business hours' not 365 days a year.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      (1) Inspections shall take place during normal business hours and at such places as specified in ยง 75.4. For the purpose of this part, ??normal business hours?? are from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., local time, and any other time during which the producer is actually conducting business relating to producing depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      In the U.S. Weekends and holidays are not considered normal business hours.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I got it right from where you quoted. It is giving the deffinition of normal business hours in that paragraph.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      8am to 6pm local time (no days mentioned so that is 7 days a week), then also ANY TIME a producer is shooting or doing business relating to the production.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      In any event assuming that it means five day's a week (which it does not clarify) that still mean's an office that must be open 10 hours a day or 50 hours a week. Literally though since it does not specify the day's it means 70 hours a week plus any off hour production times.

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