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Uh...Originally posted by cluck
It's amazing that webmasters expect sponsors to pay them more money than their traffic even generated.
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Granted he knows what he knows, alot of these 'Elite' guys forget where they came from and the struggle the steps were going up. Either that or sponsors doing a bait'n switch once you've sent them traffic weren't common on his way up.Originally posted by dig420
Sleazy's just a TGP guy, he doesn't know any better.
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Yeah, I got switched over to the system where I make less money too. I was pissed, but there was nothing really I could do. I lost a bunch of money when they did that too, but so far it has been my best program on a non-adult site. Also still haven't recieved December's check yet.
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apparently you can't handle the truth. AFF isn't some huge scamming outfit, they're just a big company with scammish tendencies. You'll get paid (usually), but not a lot and not what you were expecting.Originally posted by SleazyDream
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Sleazy,
I don't know this guy at all, I don't necessarily buy his story, and I've never promoted AFF, but I'd like to ask you a related question and see what your take on it is.
here goes:
-ClickCash seems to have a reputation among smaller affiliates for terming people when they are owed money. However, PersianKitty has heavily promoted them for years and has never had a single problem with them.
-AFF seems to have a similarly mixed reputation among SOME smaller affiliates (as evidenced above), however you have promoted them heavily for years and have nothing but praise for them.
-The Question: Do you think it at all possible, or is it totally out of the question, that different standards are being applied to high profile accounts while the unwashed masses are being abused?
I don't intend to single out ClickCash or AFF here, and I have no reason to believe that either program is doing anything wrong, I'm just using hearsay about them for an example.
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Aff is golden, It is a very large organization. The owner is one of the most standup guys that I have ever met. Also more recently I have been making more oney with them than ever before and I have been with them since 1995.Last edited by Xenophage; 01-29-2004, 07:18 PM.Comment
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BTW, not saying that they aren't large - that the owner isn't standup (there are many levels of 'standup' & who he is 'standup' with)Originally posted by LegendaryLars
Aff is golden, It is a very large organization. The owner is one of the most standup guys that I have ever met.
We've only heard good things about alot of other 'solid' & 'standup' companies - then a few months down the line - checks get lost in the mail - some bug in their system fucks the calculations up - databases are stolen - shaving gets exposed and alot of other shit that goes on behind all their 'solid standup' facade.
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Never had a problem with them. In December they sent a check out from one of my small sites:Originally posted by cyber
What exactly do you mean?
AFF decided my traffic was worth 1 cent per unique IP a day. If I send them 3,000 uniques a day, then that's $30 a day for me.
It's in their terms. They can't just up and decide "hey, this guy's traffic isn't worth what we promised him. let's change it".
Anyways, that's not why they decided to pull me.
Let me clarify: I am not a scammer/spammer/whatever.
Their automated system flagged me because I had an "unusual" amount of free email accounts signing up under me. They investigated, decided I was not spamming/scamming them, and reinstated my website.
But it was too late for their 3rd party check company to send out my check, so the lady promised it 2 weeks from then. 1 week later they cut my check in half. How, exactly, is that ethical/fair/legal?
12/3/2003 84.72 Sent By Raquel on December 9, 2003
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I didn't even reach their 100.00 minimum...Comment
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/\ /\ their minimum is $50. And I've received two $60ish checks from them.
I just realized maybe why I'm being called a scammer. I'm not asking for monetary help.
I'm asking if anyone (like the person a few posts above) knows direct contact numbers, or people in power inside AFF, who they think would be able to help me.
Because I can send 50 emails to their listed address, and not get a single response.
All I'm asking for is some help to get in touch with AFF directly, and try to work out my problems with them.
Believe me or not, I'm really just trying to figure this all out.Comment
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Originally posted by B40
Thought you were going to post a story about how you couldn't meet any girls from AFF
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no. i have some inside knowledge of their operarion and AFF is as clean as they come.Originally posted by gornyhuy
-The Question: Do you think it at all possible, or is it totally out of the question, that different standards are being applied to high profile accounts while the unwashed masses are being abused?
notice that the people who are whinning tend to also have usually have 'problems' with other sponsers, hosts, processors, etc. it's not a co-incidenceThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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Originally posted by cyber
/\ /\ their minimum is $50. And I've received two $60ish checks from them.
I just realized maybe why I'm being called a scammer. I'm not asking for monetary help.
I'm asking if anyone (like the person a few posts above) knows direct contact numbers, or people in power inside AFF, who they think would be able to help me.
Because I can send 50 emails to their listed address, and not get a single response.
All I'm asking for is some help to get in touch with AFF directly, and try to work out my problems with them.
Believe me or not, I'm really just trying to figure this all out.
Dude unfortunately your in the wrong place
it sounds preety fucked what AFF did to you
the best advise i can give you is just forget it and move on - try a progam with fixed payouts you'll be far better of
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translationOriginally posted by SleazyDream
no. i have some inside knowledge of their operarion and AFF is as clean as they come.
notice that the people who are whinning tend to also have usually have 'problems' with other sponsers, hosts, processors, etc. it's not a co-incidence
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Originally posted by SleazyDream
no. i have some inside knowledge of their operarion and AFF is a clean as they come.
Okay. Thats as clear cut as it gets.
Yeah, you are absolutely right about the whiners.Originally posted by SleazyDream
notice that the people who are whinning tend to also have usually have 'problems' with other sponsers, hosts, processors, etc. it's not a co-incidence
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umm, the owner didn't come to vegas and my account reb (racquel) can do ANYTHING she wants to me in the bathroom ANY TIME she wants - she's smokin hot.Originally posted by Down_Under
translation
i sucked the guy off in the toilets at vegasThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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Wow, I've been on the board perhaps less than a month, so grew accustomed to the typical manner people talk here. I'm truly impressed and it's refreshing to see a post that's not just throwing out a judgement in some crude fashion, but is constructive and well thought out. Pretty cool in my book.Sleazy,
I don't know this guy at all, I don't necessarily buy his story, and I've never promoted AFF, but I'd like to ask you a related question and see what your take on it is.
here goes:
-ClickCash seems to have a reputation among smaller affiliates for terming people when they are owed money. However, PersianKitty has heavily promoted them for years and has never had a single problem with them.
-AFF seems to have a similarly mixed reputation among SOME smaller affiliates (as evidenced above), however you have promoted them heavily for years and have nothing but praise for them.
-The Question: Do you think it at all possible, or is it totally out of the question, that different standards are being applied to high profile accounts while the unwashed masses are being abused?
I don't intend to single out ClickCash or AFF here, and I have no reason to believe that either program is doing anything wrong, I'm just using hearsay about them for an example.Comment
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I dont think I have complained about any prog before........(Sleazy)
But I have had probs with AFF as well.....
I am not sure they are they scamming..... I just think there "automatic" systems for detecting cheats are a little over zealous
This is proven by the thread starter, they did admit it was wrong.... but do you think they would given her anything if she hadnt persisted with email and phone calls?
She would have just been called a scammer and they would have had a few extra $s in the bank
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AFF used to place fictitious ads and pictures of females on their site in order to get people to join. Don't know if they still do it but tells ya what kind of operation they are.Comment
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Yea, many programs do that now.Originally posted by Steve
what is so horrible? you didn't maintain your conversion ratio, so they moved your account from per click to %
this is not unusualComment
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I'm probably one of the 'unwashed masses' and as I said earlier, never had a problem since day 1 - 1999Originally posted by gornyhuy
-The Question: Do you think it at all possible, or is it totally out of the question, that different standards are being applied to high profile accounts while the unwashed masses are being abused?
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turn them into the BBB for unpaid money. You worked for it, you have proff saying how much you SHOULD get in a check, and you havent recieved full payment. Reason enough to turn them in.
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sounds like one or the other is breaking a law there somewhere. but only one can afford the legal costs.. and its not really worth a fight anyhow.Comment
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Too bad you signed away your rights to that money when you joined the affiliate program.Originally posted by Babagirls
turn them into the BBB for unpaid money. You worked for it, you have proff saying how much you SHOULD get in a check, and you havent recieved full payment. Reason enough to turn them in.
There's nothing in the law that says they have to pay you, in fact the law is there to make sure that they have the right NOT to pay you.
The payouts are clearly stated too. You're paid per click IF you send traffic of a quality good enough for it to be worth it for them to pay you that money. If you send shit traffic, you get your fair share of the sales.
It's not fair to AFF to expect them to hand you money just because you unloaded some garbage traffic on them.icq 279990726
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Juan,
I just reviewed your site and see what
happened. You signed up on a CPC
deal and were sending just a few clicks
per day for a few months. As the signup
rate was high, you were making a good
rate per click. Then, starting in december,
you decided to start sending popups (via
onloads) and your uniques per signup
went up over 25 TIMES. This knocked
you below our lowest clickrate and
triggered the conversion to a percentage
deal - which still makes you fairly close
to the per click rate - for your exit traffic.
One note on the slow email response
this past few weeks. We just hired two
more full-time affiliate managers and
have two more coming on board next
week. They are now replying back to
all emails by noon (PST) every day -
by 3pm on Monday for weekend emails.
BTW, by reviewing your site and traffic
patterns (e.g., you have a fairly strong international component to your traffic),
I can see some easy ways to improve
your traffic conversion. Already, AFF is
automatically translating to 4 different
languages, but you should consider
exiting the traffic to either a search
results page or the registration page.
Please give Charity an email back to
discuss options.
Thanks,
Andrew
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Andrew's way too nice - i would have just spat on him.
mind you that's probally why andrew makes about 1000X more than I doThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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So the guy cheated.icq 279990726
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Ah, some fucking honesty at last.Originally posted by cyber
To stay on (the pay-per-click) program you have to keep a ratio of somewhere around 1:400
As I've been saying for a while, 1:300 is not bad, 1:200 is good for an adult personals site.
1:20 is pure bs. No one gets that unless maybe they filter the traffic through the entire tour first.Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind."
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Exactly what happened to me with another dating site. It was about 2 years ago when I got started in this biz.
I sent the 1000's hits made lots of cash only for the signup ratio to be below 1-12 or whatver, I got $50 quid from them in the end for all my work...
Shits
those programs are a total con and I would never reccomend them to anyone..
Actually I seem to remember the signup page saying "the majority of our webmasters stay within 1 in X ratio, so this shouldn't be a problem if you send quality traffic" yeah right....
Someone should start AFFsucks.com and encourage 100 webmasters to all get together and lauch a class action against them for misleading information.Last edited by jimboc; 01-30-2004, 07:57 AM.
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Me too. Or he went to meet someone and had a horror story about it.Originally posted by B40
Thought you were going to post a story about how you couldn't meet any girls from AFF
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They lost more for this post that they stole from you.
Feel good about that part!Comment
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Originally posted by TheProfessor
Juan,
I just reviewed your site and see what
happened. You signed up on a CPC
deal and were sending just a few clicks
per day for a few months. As the signup
rate was high, you were making a good
rate per click. Then, starting in december,
you decided to start sending popups (via
onloads) and your uniques per signup
went up over 25 TIMES. This knocked
you below our lowest clickrate and
triggered the conversion to a percentage
deal - which still makes you fairly close
to the per click rate - for your exit traffic.
One note on the slow email response
this past few weeks. We just hired two
more full-time affiliate managers and
have two more coming on board next
week. They are now replying back to
all emails by noon (PST) every day -
by 3pm on Monday for weekend emails.
BTW, by reviewing your site and traffic
patterns (e.g., you have a fairly strong international component to your traffic),
I can see some easy ways to improve
your traffic conversion. Already, AFF is
automatically translating to 4 different
languages, but you should consider
exiting the traffic to either a search
results page or the registration page.
Please give Charity an email back to
discuss options.
Thanks,
Andrew
CEO, Adult Friend Finder
Hit me up below for all your advertising needs!
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I was just about to change some links to them. So glad I read this thread first so I can avoid them now.Come away, come away...Comment
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Funny, he doesnt address the fact that they went back and changed his payout from previous months and basically stole $550 from him. What a fucking joke.Originally posted by TheProfessor
Juan,
I just reviewed your site and see what
happened. You signed up on a CPC
deal and were sending just a few clicks
per day for a few months. As the signup
rate was high, you were making a good
rate per click. Then, starting in december,
you decided to start sending popups (via
onloads) and your uniques per signup
went up over 25 TIMES. This knocked
you below our lowest clickrate and
triggered the conversion to a percentage
deal - which still makes you fairly close
to the per click rate - for your exit traffic.
One note on the slow email response
this past few weeks. We just hired two
more full-time affiliate managers and
have two more coming on board next
week. They are now replying back to
all emails by noon (PST) every day -
by 3pm on Monday for weekend emails.
BTW, by reviewing your site and traffic
patterns (e.g., you have a fairly strong international component to your traffic),
I can see some easy ways to improve
your traffic conversion. Already, AFF is
automatically translating to 4 different
languages, but you should consider
exiting the traffic to either a search
results page or the registration page.
Please give Charity an email back to
discuss options.
Thanks,
Andrew
CEO, Adult Friend FinderComment
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I thought they were a big company, how comes the ceo is replying to discruntled webmasters
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What I would do is cut your losses and move on. Some people will have good experiences with a company and some a bad. Read through this thread. If it doesn't work for you and you don't think your getting what your traffic is worth there are plenty of sponsor out there that will pay for your traffic just find something that works for you and you'll be a much happier man with a much bigger wallet.Trust no one there all snakesComment
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seems pretty clear and upfront to meOriginally posted by TheProfessor
Juan,
I just reviewed your site and see what
happened. You signed up on a CPC
deal and were sending just a few clicks
per day for a few months. As the signup
rate was high, you were making a good
rate per click. Then, starting in december,
you decided to start sending popups (via
onloads) and your uniques per signup
went up over 25 TIMES. This knocked
you below our lowest clickrate and
triggered the conversion to a percentage
deal - which still makes you fairly close
to the per click rate - for your exit traffic.
One note on the slow email response
this past few weeks. We just hired two
more full-time affiliate managers and
have two more coming on board next
week. They are now replying back to
all emails by noon (PST) every day -
by 3pm on Monday for weekend emails.
BTW, by reviewing your site and traffic
patterns (e.g., you have a fairly strong international component to your traffic),
I can see some easy ways to improve
your traffic conversion. Already, AFF is
automatically translating to 4 different
languages, but you should consider
exiting the traffic to either a search
results page or the registration page.
Please give Charity an email back to
discuss options.
Thanks,
Andrew
CEO, Adult Friend Finder
you sent traffic to a ppc that was decent traffic
then ya unloaded a buncha consoles onto a ppc program
that turned your ratio to poo and the company is paying you what your traffic is worth.
AFF is one of the better converting programs out there right nowComment
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PPC 101.. we all have been there.
use sign ups/partner only..Comment
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Good Lord, did you even read their FAQ?Originally posted by cyber
What exactly do you mean?
AFF decided my traffic was worth 1 cent per unique IP a day. If I send them 3,000 uniques a day, then that's $30 a day for me.
It's in their terms. They can't just up and decide "hey, this guy's traffic isn't worth what we promised him. let's change it".
Anyways, that's not why they decided to pull me.
Let me clarify: I am not a scammer/spammer/whatever.
Their automated system flagged me because I had an "unusual" amount of free email accounts signing up under me. They investigated, decided I was not spamming/scamming them, and reinstated my website.
But it was too late for their 3rd party check company to send out my check, so the lady promised it 2 weeks from then. 1 week later they cut my check in half. How, exactly, is that ethical/fair/legal?
"My account was converted to a percentage payout. Why?
It is stated on our affiliate agreement that if your traffic produces less than 1 free signup in 20 visitors, or 1 paying membership in 25 free signups, your account may be converted retroactively to a "percentage payout" account. Affiliates not meeting these ratios will be converted at the end of each month. By taking these measures we ensure it will be a win-win for both parties involved."
It says nothing about maintaining a ratio of 1:400, but rather 1:25, which according to your post sounds like you were'nt even close to. It also says they can retroactively convert your account, be thankful for what your getting as its obvious your traffic to them was shit."WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
Its crazy..."
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That's called customer service.thought they were a big company, how comes the ceo is replying to discruntled webmasters
Cheers
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Everyone who thinks they "stole" the money from him needs to get the fuck out of the industry because they're not suited to be self employed.
AFF is NOT an employer. They share revenue with the webmasters who send them traffic. There's nothing that says they HAVE to pay you.
You're a PARTNER to them, not an employee. You make money when they make money, not when you send them hits.icq 279990726
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"at the end of each month"
His beef is that they did not (he says) honor this portion of their own rules. It's a legitimate beef if true, and you'll note the company rep carefully did not respond to the allegation.Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.Comment
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I'd like to thank all the webmasters that have posted postive comments about AFdultFriendFinder.com
Andrew, the CEO of AdultFriendfinder.com, cares for his affiliates and therefore, takes out time from his busy schedule to reply on GFY.
Cyber- per your posting, you state that you've sent 20 emails and called 10-15 calls. However, based on our logs, you've only emailed 2x and called 1x and all three times Charity resonded to you. I tried phoning youm but got your vm. You can reach me directly via ICQ at 160629880
Raquel Guico
Affiliate Marketing Manager
AdultFriendfinder.com
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I'd like to thank all the webmasters that have posted positive comments about AFdultFriendFinder.com
Andrew, the CEO of AdultFriendfinder.com, cares for his affiliates and therefore, takes out time from his busy schedule to reply on GFY.
Cyber- per your posting, you state that you've sent 20 emails and called 10-15 calls. However, based on our logs, you've only emailed 2x and called 1x and all three times Charity responded to you. I tried phoning you but got your vm. You can reach me directly via ICQ at 160629880. I do apologize for the lag in responding to your email/call. We've hired more people to assist Charity and me.
Raquel Guico
Affiliate Marketing Manager
AdultFriendfinder.com
ICQ: 160629880Last edited by raccks; 01-30-2004, 11:15 AM.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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A fat guy said you were hot but that doesnt mean much so can we see your tits to verify that fact on our own?Originally posted by raccks
I'd like to thank all the webmasters that have posted postive comments about AFdultFriendFinder.com
Andrew, the CEO of AdultFriendfinder.com, cares for his affiliates and therefore, takes out time from his busy schedule to reply on GFY.
Cyber- per your posting, you state that you've sent 20 emails and called 10-15 calls. However, based on our logs, you've only emailed 2x and called 1x and all three times Charity resonded to you. I tried phoning youm but got your vm. You can reach me directly via ICQ at 160629880Comment
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Cares for his affiliates? Looks to me like he's trying to put out a fire.Originally posted by raccks
Andrew, the CEO of AdultFriendfinder.com, cares for his affiliates and therefore, takes out time from his busy schedule to reply on GFY.
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Originally posted by cluck
Everyone who thinks they "stole" the money from him needs to get the fuck out of the industry because they're not suited to be self employed.
AFF is NOT an employer. They share revenue with the webmasters who send them traffic. There's nothing that says they HAVE to pay you.
WTF does that have to do with anything? So because someone is not an employer they can retroactively go back and change the terms after the fact?Comment
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Sleazy, I usually like reading your posts, but fuck n a.Originally posted by SleazyDream
once again, i don't buy that AT ALL. I know hundreds of people with small accounts with aff that never had any problems with them - mind you they had real sites with real traffic.
Just because they pay you, unless you are sitting in the AFF office right now (most likely giving head) you have no clue what they do to others.
Sometimes, "good" sponsors do fucked up shit, that's the way of life, stop being such an asskissing idealist.
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heres how i see it... they shouldnt offer the per click program if they arnt gonna pay you for that... sure they want signups too cause that makes them their money, but if they arnt gonna follow through on what they say, then they shouldnt offer that program... plain and simple, thats like me telling someone who wants to advertise on my site "if your banner gets boring to me, im just gonna take it down".
either dont offer the program, or live up to itComment
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