OH SHIT: Sex Site Sues Credit Cards Over Pirated Erotica

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • directfiesta
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Oct 2002
    • 30219

    #1

    OH SHIT: Sex Site Sues Credit Cards Over Pirated Erotica

    This will not help our business! Visa/MC could use this as an excuse to pull out,

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Internet piracy has devastated the music business, threatened the movie industry and may now undercut one of the most successful corners of the Web: pornography.

    A California publisher of a pornographic magazine and Web site sued Visa, MasterCard and other financial institutions on Wednesday, alleging they facilitated the illegal sale of pirated sex images flooding the Internet.

    Perfect 10, whose slogan is "The World's Most Beautiful Models Expose All," based the case on claims other Web sites were stealing their sexual imagery to make money, often through duplicitous advertising.

    In a complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for Northern California, the firm sued Visa International, First Data Corp.(FDC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , Cardservice International, MasterCard International, Humboldt Bank (HBEK.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Does 1-100.

    "The defendants in this case ... are knowingly providing crucial transactional support services for the sale of millions of stolen photos and film clips worth billions of dollars that belong to Perfect 10 and third-parties," the suit reads.

    The complaint says these firms have made large sums from the sale of pirated erotica and thus should have a responsibility for any related copyright violation.

    "Perfect 10 has concluded that the only way to stop the proliferation of such Web sites is to go to the top, namely the payment card associations and the primary third-party processor, each of which is knowingly and effectively acting as fences for the sale of billions of dollars of stolen content," the lawsuit reads.

    MasterCard officials did not return calls for comment. A Visa spokesman said he was unable to find company legal experts for their response.

    A LOSING PROPOSITION

    The publisher of Perfect 10, Norman Zada, said in an interview that he had lost $29 million since setting up his business in 1996, including $8 million on legal fees. He said the problem was that he was spending thousands of dollars for nude photography sessions while many Internet sites were stealing his and other images.

    "The reason it was so hard to make money is because while we were paying for our content, there were many Web sites out there that were competing against us that were stealing theirs," said Zada said, whose business is based in Beverly Hills. "It's pretty impossible to compete in that situation."

    The problem of Internet piracy has hit the bottom lines of many businesses, with the recording industry, Hollywood and software businesses the most prominent.

    "There probably isn't a lot of sympathy for people in the adult magazine business and that might be part of the problem," Zada said. "But the thieves are stealing from everybody so all the copyright holders are suffering as a group."


    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4234030
    Seems the new way to make money in this busines is to sue someone... Any volunteer ???
    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
  • WiredGuy
    Pounding Googlebot
    • Aug 2002
    • 34517

    #2
    Perfect 10 has a long history of lawsuits regarding copyright infringements. I hardly see them as a reason for Visa/MC pulling out of adult.

    WG
    I play with Google.

    Comment

    • Pornwolf
      Drunk and Unruly
      • Jan 2002
      • 22712

      #3
      That could hurt. He's been really vocal about his problems though and successful in his lawsuits. This will be interesting.
      I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

      Webair, bitches.

      Comment

      • BRISK
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Feb 2003
        • 12240

        #4
        I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
        I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

        Comment

        • WiredGuy
          Pounding Googlebot
          • Aug 2002
          • 34517

          #5
          btw, does anyone have a link to the actual court documents? I'd like to see the list of does 1-100 as the news article said.

          WG
          I play with Google.

          Comment

          • Webby
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Oct 2002
            • 14956

            #6
            directfiesta:

            Seems the new way to make money in this busines is to sue someone...
            Some even make a career out of that - ain't too good on the cash flow side tho! Judges seem to get in the way with your financial planning

            Acacia... where are ya??
            XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

            Comment

            • andi_germany
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2002
              • 768

              #7
              Norman Zadeh is the biggest dipshit in adult. He sued all the billers and did not succeed now he sues Visa and Mastercard and he won't succeed either.
              As 3rd party billers have already cleaned up the celebrity sector his suit has no merrit at all. Maybe for people with their own merchant accounts.

              This moron will lose even more if VISA and MC pulls out of Adult.
              SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

              Comment

              • KRL
                Entrepreneur
                • Oct 2002
                • 31429

                #8
                What a moron move that is. He can kiss his merchant account goodbye.

                If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
                from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION!

                *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
                Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

                Comment

                • - Jesus Christ -
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 7197

                  #9
                  Originally posted by KRL
                  What a moron move that is. He can kiss his merchant account goodbye.

                  Somones jelous.

                  Amen

                  Comment

                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                    best designer on GFY
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 30307

                    #10
                    It makes sense whether we like it or not.

                    Credit Card companies are in effect condoning the theft of content along with numerous other fraudulent and damaging business models.

                    Comment

                    • tbabe
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 2494

                      #11
                      Well, they've sued everyone else, credit cards are the only ones left

                      Still one of the best programs on the net.


                      According to their banner, you can get rich.

                      Comment

                      • Paul Markham
                        Too old to care
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 52942

                        #12
                        The way some have dealt with Piracy of all content makes this inevitable. Not only porn, buy music and films as well.

                        The Internet has meant a lot of new business for some and the loss of business for others. Those losing it are looking for ways to stem that loss. Joining in the business is one way, but when people put up sites full of stolen content in competition what is the point?

                        APIC fought a long and hard battle against pirates with little to no support from the majority. Most of the time against some kid who was not worth suing. Some of the ISPs, third party, AVS and sponsor programs responded sensibly, some just said "Nothing to do with us" They would rather take the $40 a month from a pirate than clean up the industry.

                        How many people here have been asked to show they own what they are trying to sell? Everyone just turned a blind eye.

                        Now someone with the money and the balls has gone to the top. Whether it's the straw that breaks Visa's back is to be seen.

                        We are now worrying if we keep Visa on board because we did not clean out the bad 2%.



                        Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
                        PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

                        Comment

                        • VirtuMike
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2002
                          • 2483

                          #13
                          It's not that this will keep Visa and Mastercard from processing adult anymore.

                          THIS WILL PISS CARDSERVICE OFF.

                          And since NOT ONE PERSON reading this board deals with Visa directly, and depends on either third party through an acquiring bank or deals direct with an acquiring bank, this is a HUGE problem.

                          The risk management people at the acquiring banks are going to FREAK THE FUCK OUT and take it out on us. We're talking posting million dollar bonds and personal liability guarantees to process!

                          FUCK! Doesn't this moron know what he's doing?
                          Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES!

                          XYZZY4L

                          Comment

                          • scooby doo as scooby does
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 314

                            #14
                            WOW, minefield.

                            If he wins. The consequences.

                            1) VISA/MC (cardservice et all) become responsible for pay site content. No way. VISA/MC withdraw from adult on the net. High risk, 'no presence' Merchant accounts stopped. (don't forget, if VISA/MC become liable for copyright illegalities, next is liability for illegal content etc. such as in the Extreme Associates case if they lose)

                            2) Knockon affect, CCBill et all become responsible for pay site content, possibly with no VISA/MC. Anyway, third party processors die or hike charges massively.

                            3) All those business'es just destroyed, would they sue VISA/MC ? Would they sue Perfect 10 ? Who picks up the reins with a processing business model that includes ongoing and permanently monitoring of sites content ?

                            4) And as the guy above said, the acquiring banks must be watching as well.

                            This is one to watch.
                            Last edited by scooby doo as scooby does; 01-29-2004, 01:27 AM.
                            In 1904, Charles Newman-Berry connected two abacus's together using specially enhanced GrapeVine thus inventing the first Internet connection.

                            NEWMAN-BERRY CASH
                            Paying webmaster since 1904

                            Comment

                            • polish_aristocrat
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 40377

                              #15
                              wtf, someone should kill him
                              I don't use ICQ anymore.

                              Comment

                              • Vitasoy
                                GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 58202

                                #16
                                sigh..


                                [email protected]

                                Comment

                                • KRL
                                  Entrepreneur
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 31429

                                  #17
                                  Utter blindness, so many blind to the future.
                                  If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
                                  from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION!

                                  *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
                                  Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

                                  Comment

                                  • polish_aristocrat
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 40377

                                    #18
                                    Someone who knows him should talk to him and enlighten him...
                                    I don't use ICQ anymore.

                                    Comment

                                    • Baal
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 696

                                      #19
                                      "Perfect 10 has concluded that the only way to stop the proliferation of such Web sites is to go to the top, namely the payment card associations and the primary third-party processor, each of which is knowingly and effectively acting as fences for the sale of billions of dollars of stolen content," the lawsuit reads.
                                      So if there is a car stealing ring that uses U.S. currency to sell the stolen cars to chop shops, then the U.S. government should be held accountable for the crime because they provided the means of exchange (cash)?

                                      Comment

                                      • Mr.Fiction
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2002
                                        • 9484

                                        #20
                                        Is the guy who runs that company a lawyer?

                                        He seems to enjoy suing people.
                                        Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU | Free Speech Coalition | EFF | IMPA

                                        Comment

                                        • slavdogg
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 3570

                                          #21
                                          >>>> The publisher of Perfect 10, Norman Zada, said in an interview that he had lost $29 million since setting up his business in 1996, including $8 million on legal fees. He said the problem was that he was spending thousands of dollars for nude photography sessions while many Internet sites were stealing his and other images. <<<<<

                                          this guy is a bigger moron than i thought

                                          most dont remember this
                                          but CEN had to drop their site at perfect10s.com and this was years ago

                                          btw, have you guys notices perfect10 has been sponsoring many boxing and fight events os of late.
                                          Adult Traffic for Sale

                                          Comment

                                          • slavdogg
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 3570

                                            #22
                                            btw, i saw an interview with this guy on TV

                                            he's a middle aged DORK, pretty much he's only doing this whole shtick for pussy
                                            Adult Traffic for Sale

                                            Comment

                                            • WiredGuy
                                              Pounding Googlebot
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 34517

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by slavdogg
                                              btw, i saw an interview with this guy on TV

                                              he's a middle aged DORK, pretty much he's only doing this whole shtick for pussy


                                              You're up pretty late Slavik
                                              WG
                                              I play with Google.

                                              Comment

                                              • polish_aristocrat
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 40377

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does

                                                If he wins. The consequences.

                                                1) VISA/MC (cardservice et all) become responsible for pay site content. No way. VISA/MC withdraw from adult on the net. High risk, 'no presence' Merchant accounts stopped. (don't forget, if VISA/MC become liable for copyright illegalities, next is liability for illegal content etc. such as in the Extreme Associates case if they lose)

                                                2) Knockon affect, CCBill et all become responsible for pay site content, possibly with no VISA/MC. Anyway, third party processors die or hike charges massively.

                                                3) All those business'es just destroyed, would they sue VISA/MC ? Would they sue Perfect 10 ? Who picks up the reins with a processing business model that includes ongoing and permanently monitoring of sites content ?

                                                4) And as the guy above said, the acquiring banks must be watching as well.

                                                so we should simply hope that he loses and then there will be no consequences....... ( ? )
                                                I don't use ICQ anymore.

                                                Comment

                                                • Sausage
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 3012

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                  Perfect 10 has a long history of lawsuits regarding copyright infringements. I hardly see them as a reason for Visa/MC pulling out of adult.

                                                  WG
                                                  Hahaha ... no.

                                                  I could tell you the exact reason VISA brought in the regs ... or should we say the thing that finally convinced them to go ahead ... and I hate to say it was an Aussie ;)
                                                  IW
                                                  Skype : blance8888
                                                  Icq : 15567120

                                                  Comment

                                                  • polish_aristocrat
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                    • 40377

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Sausage


                                                    Hahaha ... no.

                                                    I could tell you the exact reason VISA brought in the regs ... or should we say the thing that finally convinced them to go ahead ... and I hate to say it was an Aussie ;)
                                                    ah, youre the one with a friend in Visa management...
                                                    any hint what's coming next?
                                                    I don't use ICQ anymore.

                                                    Comment

                                                    • scooby doo as scooby does
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                      • 314

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

                                                      so we should simply hope that he loses and then there will be no consequences....... ( ? )
                                                      Hmmm, I would say 'pray' is a better word than 'hope'. I'm not saying something wouldn't rise from the ashes, but this would effectively destroy our business. Well, mine anyway.

                                                      Mind you. I think he'll lose. Look at it another way. You buy a toy for your kid from toy'r'us. It so happens it's a cheap toy with spikey bits of metal in it and the kid gets hurt. The toys are withdrawn. The toy manufacturer may get sued. The shop may get sued, I've never heard of VISA/MC or an acquiring bank getting sued for something like that and it's effectively the same thing in structure. Course, I'm not a lawyer but I don't think you can hold VISA/MC responsible for the actions of millions of outlets that use their cards. It makes no sense. Problem is this is law, and a lot of judges are very stupid.
                                                      In 1904, Charles Newman-Berry connected two abacus's together using specially enhanced GrapeVine thus inventing the first Internet connection.

                                                      NEWMAN-BERRY CASH
                                                      Paying webmaster since 1904

                                                      Comment

                                                      • BRISK
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 12240

                                                        #28
                                                        Scary, but I don't think he'll nail Visa & MC
                                                        I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                        I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

                                                        Comment

                                                        • arg
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 1164

                                                          #29
                                                          The CC companies simply won't lose, because losing would have repercussions for them well beyond porn. They'd get new legislation enacted to absolve them before they accepted defeat. Not that porn is worthless to them either...they make good money off adult, and while they've made tougher rules, it's to reduce fraud, not to stop adult CC processing.

                                                          Comment

                                                          • BRISK
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 12240

                                                            #30
                                                            If a pawn shop is found to be selling stolen products and they sold some of the products to people who paid with Visa or MC, should Visa and MC be held liable for enabling the sale of stolen products?
                                                            I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                            I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

                                                            Comment

                                                            • scoreman
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                              • 1491

                                                              #31
                                                              Interesting article, although they misspelled his name.

                                                              I would disagree with those who would say Norman Zadeh is a moron or dipshit. I believe Zadeh is a wealthy man who is upset at the seeing his content abused and has decided he wants to take action. Not everyone is motivated entirely by profitability. To his credit, Zadeh's lawsuits have resulted in some cleaning up of the industry. Look at what he has done with AVS content and celebrity sites, both of which IMO were good things for those who own content and those who would want to protect their likeness from being promoted aggressively by third parties.

                                                              If, however, Zadeh is claiming unprofitability solely because of infringement of his content, I dont think this is entirely accurate. The fact that they are quarterly tells you something, that they are not selling enough issues to warrant going bimonthly or monthly. The soft newsstand sales of the their magazine cannot be said to have been impacted solely by the prevalence (whether alleged or actual) of their content online. The real truth I would say is that they are having a tough time competing in the softcore niche, and Maxim and FHM are taking too much market share.

                                                              Comment

                                                              • NetRodent
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                • 3985

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                btw, does anyone have a link to the actual court documents? I'd like to see the list of does 1-100 as the news article said.

                                                                WG
                                                                Its doubtful the John Does have been "discovered" yet. They were likely included so if during the case anyone else with deep pockets is found they can be added to the case.
                                                                "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                                                                --H.L. Mencken

                                                                Comment

                                                                • NetRodent
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                  • 3985

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by andi_germany
                                                                  Norman Zadeh is the biggest dipshit in adult. He sued all the billers and did not succeed now he sues Visa and Mastercard and he won't succeed either.
                                                                  As 3rd party billers have already cleaned up the celebrity sector his suit has no merrit at all. Maybe for people with their own merchant accounts.

                                                                  This moron will lose even more if VISA and MC pulls out of Adult.
                                                                  He's still suing (or suing again) atleast 2 of the major IPSPs.
                                                                  "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                                                                  --H.L. Mencken

                                                                  Comment

                                                                  Working...