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  • DarkJedi
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    • Feb 2001
    • 28301

    #1

    U.S 1005 OWNED by OUTSOURCING

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/26/opinion/26HERB.html


    This is what Craig Barrett (the CEO of Intel) has to say.

    "I don't think this has been fully understood by the United States," said Mr. Barrett. "If you look at India, China and Russia, they all have strong education heritages. Even if you discount 90 percent of the people there as uneducated farmers, you still end up with about 300 million people who are educated. That's bigger than the U.S. work force."

    He said: "The big change today from what's happened over the last 30 years is that it's no longer just low-cost labor that you are looking at. It's well-educated labor that can do effectively any job that can be done in the United States."

    In Mr. Barrett's view, "Unless you are a plumber, or perhaps a newspaper reporter, or one of these jobs which is geographically situated, you can be anywhere in the world and do just about any job."

    "Companies can still form in Silicon Valley and be competitive around the world," he said. "It's just that they are not going to create jobs in Silicon Valley."

    He was then asked, "Aren't we talking about an entire generation of lowered expectations in the United States for what an individual entering the job market will be facing?"

    "It's tough to come to another conclusion than that," said Mr. Barrett. "If you see this increased competition for jobs, the immediate response to competition is lower prices and that's lower wage rates."
  • reynold
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    • Oct 2002
    • 51271

    #2
    Outsourcing actually CREATES jobs in that it allows companies to save money on expensive US labor for mature product/service lines. This saved money is invested in new ventures which create new "first line" US jobs/products. When these mature, the cycle begin again with outsourcing.

    Only people who are short-sighted will fail to see that outsourcing is a blessing to the economy in general. If it werent' for the "push" of outsourcing and the expanding economic pie it generates.... we'd still be making big tail fin cars in Detroit.

    Another sad comment on outsourcing: http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1012571727088

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    • DarkJedi
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      • Feb 2001
      • 28301

      #3
      From the article

      He was then asked, "Aren't we talking about an entire generation of lowered expectations in the United States for what an individual entering the job market will be facing?"

      "It's tough to come to another conclusion than that," said Mr. Barrett. "If you see this increased competition for jobs, the immediate response to competition is lower prices and that's lower wage rates."

      Does this sound like a good thing to you?

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      • BRISK
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Feb 2003
        • 12240

        #4
        Outsourcing is the future of business. Pretending that it can be stopped is laughable. Either embrace it and run with it, or be left behind shaking your fist at the injustice of a cruel world.
        I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
        I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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        • reynold
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          • Oct 2002
          • 51271

          #5
          Apparently you didn't read it closely enough and cross reference it with the US' economic history.

          Originally posted by DarkJedi
          From the article

          He was then asked, "Aren't we talking about an entire generation of lowered expectations in the United States for what an individual entering the job market will be facing?"

          "It's tough to come to another conclusion than that," said Mr. Barrett. "If you see this increased competition for jobs, the immediate response to competition is lower prices and that's lower wage rates."

          Does this sound like a good thing to you?

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          • Pleasurepays
            BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
            • Aug 2002
            • 11913

            #6
            stopping outsourcing is like saying you are going to stop file swapping on the web or MP3 sharing.

            good luck.

            it will be a cold fucking day in hell before i give up my team of Russian and Ukrainian programmers for one slob demanding 160K a year.

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            • reynold
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Oct 2002
              • 51271

              #7
              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
              stopping outsourcing is like saying you are going to stop file swapping on the web or MP3 sharing.

              good luck.

              it will be a cold fucking day in hell before i give up my team of Russian and Ukrainian programmers for one slob demanding 160K a year.
              Good analogy. The market follows the lowest cost/highest quality provider.

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              • kmanrox
                aka K-Man
                • Oct 2001
                • 29295

                #8
                i've got no problems with it... rock on outsourcing... those new workers in weird countries just better have credit cards to buy porn...
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                • adjektiv
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 381

                  #9
                  And in the 80's everyone thought Japan was going to take over. Where are they now? I am scared!!!

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                  • chodadog
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2002
                    • 9736

                    #10
                    I love my Romanian programmer.
                    26 + 6 = 1

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                    • BRISK
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 12240

                      #11
                      Originally posted by adjektiv
                      And in the 80's everyone thought Japan was going to take over. Where are they now? I am scared!!!
                      Japan has the world's 3rd largest economy, and Toyota just bumped off Ford to become the 2nd largest car manufacturer in the world.
                      I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                      I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                      • VeriSexy
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                        • Apr 2002
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by adjektiv
                        And in the 80's everyone thought Japan was going to take over. Where are they now? I am scared!!!
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                        • DarkJedi
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                          • Feb 2001
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by adjektiv
                          And in the 80's everyone thought Japan was going to take over. Where are they now? I am scared!!!

                          Japan = most technologicaly advanced country in the world.

                          try again.

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                          • xxxoutsourcing
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 3888

                            #14
                            Originally posted by reynold
                            Outsourcing actually CREATES jobs in that it allows companies to save money on expensive US labor for mature product/service lines. This saved money is invested in new ventures which create new "first line" US jobs/products. When these mature, the cycle begin again with outsourcing.

                            Only people who are short-sighted will fail to see that outsourcing is a blessing to the economy in general. If it werent' for the "push" of outsourcing and the expanding economic pie it generates.... we'd still be making big tail fin cars in Detroit.

                            Another sad comment on outsourcing: http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1012571727088

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                            • 12clicks
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                              • Jan 2001
                              • 19814

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BRISK


                              Japan has the world's 3rd largest economy, and Toyota just bumped off Ford to become the 2nd largest car manufacturer in the world.
                              And who is still the largest economy in the world?
                              I can't remember.
                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                              • sixxxth_sense
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 2430

                                #16
                                good shut that shit down in USA,
                                give us Canadians a chance to BLOOOOOOM


                                haha

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                                • BRISK
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Feb 2003
                                  • 12240

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by 12clicks


                                  And who is still the largest economy in the world?
                                  I can't remember.
                                  Was anyone trying to deny who's still the largest?
                                  I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                  I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                  • 12clicks
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 19814

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BRISK


                                    Was anyone trying to deny who's still the largest?
                                    No, just dredge up the dopey fears we had 25 years ago about Japan.
                                    Japan has done well for itself and its success didn't change the US's position a bit.
                                    Outsourcing will also be huge and won't change the US's position a bit.
                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                    • BRISK
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Feb 2003
                                      • 12240

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                      Outsourcing will also be huge and won't change the US's position a bit.
                                      I agree that outsourcing won't change America's position as the #1 economy, but it certainly isn't going to help it maintain that position.

                                      America's economy will continue to grow, but India and China's economies will grow faster, and in the next 25 years China will overtake America as the world's largest economy, and Japan will be overtaken by India as the world's 3rd largest.
                                      I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                      I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                      • kristin
                                        GOO!
                                        • Sep 2002
                                        • 9768

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi

                                        "If you look at India, China and Russia, they all have strong education heritages. Even if you discount 90 percent of the people there as uneducated farmers, you still end up with about 300 million people who are educated. That's bigger than the U.S. work force."
                                        India has 1 million new COLLEGE graduates each year...hard to compete with that when they are willing to work for so little. I did the math and Delta Airlines alone saves 60 million per year roughly for shipping 4000 jobs to India.

                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi

                                        Japan = most technologicaly advanced country in the world.

                                        try again.
                                        China is becoming more advanced with their technology and will soon surpass...

                                        The other thing is, there is a whole way around this, did anyone watch 60 Minutes last night? All you would have to do is open up a subsidary in the Cayman Islands. They will then be able to do business with any one of these countries.
                                        Vacares rules.

                                        "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                        • Rich
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 11486

                                          #21
                                          What are you guys worried about, you have "Jobs for the 21st Century". Bush is going to make all of you astronauts, I'm jealous.

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                                          • 12clicks
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 19814

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by BRISK


                                            I agree that outsourcing won't change America's position as the #1 economy, but it certainly isn't going to help it maintain that position.

                                            America's economy will continue to grow, but India and China's economies will grow faster, and in the next 25 years China will overtake America as the world's largest economy, and Japan will be overtaken by India as the world's 3rd largest.
                                            this is the same argument that was made 25yrs ago.
                                            It didn't happen then, its unlikely to happen now.
                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                            • kristin
                                              GOO!
                                              • Sep 2002
                                              • 9768

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Rich
                                              What are you guys worried about, you have "Jobs for the 21st Century". Bush is going to make all of you astronauts, I'm jealous.
                                              Don't even say that, there goes a trillion dollars!! There should be no space exploration right now, unless Bush is on the ship and it never comes back!!
                                              Vacares rules.

                                              "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                              • BRISK
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 12240

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by 12clicks

                                                this is the same argument that was made 25yrs ago.
                                                It didn't happen then, its unlikely to happen now.
                                                People had that argument about Japan 25 years ago, not China and India.
                                                I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                  best designer on GFY
                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 30307

                                                  #25
                                                  Rats leave sinking ships.

                                                  That is whats really happening in the USA.
                                                  "Outsourcing" really means "Get off the boat"

                                                  How can this thing make a better America? It can't. There is no way that it can. To many laws, regulations, codes, taxes, labor rights, etc for a business in the United States.

                                                  It makes literally no sense to open a tech company in the US anymore.

                                                  I believe the US will bottom out and fall into a Civil war...

                                                  But then... I am being optimistic. Civil war is the best thing that can happen in the USA to rid some of the burdening laws that hold back progress and commerce.
                                                  For a very simple simple example lets note how the abuse of the system is going on right now that is within our very own industry. Acaccia. This sort of thing is happening everywhere and people are getting pissed about it in the US.
                                                  You open up a company these days in the USA your likely to get a law suit filed against you for one thing or another...
                                                  Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 01-26-2004, 10:21 AM.

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                                                  • 12clicks
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 19814

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by BRISK


                                                    People had that argument about Japan 25 years ago, not China and India.
                                                    No, people had that argument about the US 25 years ago.
                                                    you're looking at the wrong end of the equation
                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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