Peer-to-peer file-sharing services Morpheus and Grokster are legal, court ruled today

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  • Doctor Dre
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2001
    • 51692

    #1

    Peer-to-peer file-sharing services Morpheus and Grokster are legal, court ruled today

    Peer-to-peer file-sharing services Morpheus and Grokster are legal, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday.

    The decision is a blow for record labels and movie studios which sued the peer-to-peer operators claiming that the services should be held liable for the copyright infringement of their users.

    The Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picture Association of America have long argued that rampant trading of copyright songs and movies on these file-swapping networks has crippled their businesses.

    The decision upholds an April 2003 U.S. District Court decision that these services should not be held liable for the illegal behavior of their users. The studios and labels appealed the decision and the appeals court heard oral arguments on the case in February.

    The district court correctly applied the law, wrote Judge Sidney Thomas, a member of the three-judge panel for the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

    "History has shown that time and market forces often provide equilibrium in balancing interests, whether the new technology be a player piano, a copier, a tape recorder, a video recorder, a personal computer, a karaoke machine, or an MP3 player," Thomas wrote. "Thus, it is prudent for courts to exercise caution before restructuring liability theories for the purpose of addressing specific market abuses, despite their apparent present magnitude."

    Michael Weiss, CEO of StreamCast Networks, operator of Morpheus, said in a statement, "Not only is today's ruling a victory for Morpheus, a hard-fought one at that, but this is a victory for our fellow P2P developers, a victory for American innovation and, perhaps more importantly, history will prove this to be a bigger win for the entertainment industry. Hopefully they will now embrace new technologies, like Morpheus, to seek new opportunities for artists and creators in the digital domain rather then spend their time and money trying to stifle progress."

    "This is a major victory -- a victory that goes far beyond peer-to-peer and is relevant to technology innovators of all kinds," said lawyer Fred von Lohmann, who argued the case for Grokster and StreamCast before the court. "The reason we took this case is to make it clear that people who develop new technologies should not have to face endless expensive litigation from Hollywood even where those technologies may disrupt existing business models."

    Mitch Bainwol, CEO of the RIAA, said the trade group will continue to pursue legislative and legal actions to address illegal activities facilitated by Grokster and other P2P services.

    "This decision does nothing to absolve these businesses from their responsibility as corporate citizens to address the rampant illegal use of their networks," Bainwol said in a statement. The issue is "whether or not digital music will be enjoyed in a fashion that supports the creative process or one that robs it of its future. That's the online future of music."

    In the decision, the judge also cautioned against copyright owners' request to re-examine current copyright law, "expanding exponentially the reach of the doctrines of contributory and vicarious copyright infringement."

    "Not only would such a renovation conflict with binding precedent, it would be unwise," Thomas wrote. "Doubtless, taking that step would satisfy the Copyright Owners' immediate economic aims. However, it would also alter general copyright law in profound ways with unknown ultimate consequences outside the present context."

    The judge also wrote that in the 1984 Sony Betamax case -- a landmark decision that ruled devices like the VCR are legal -- the Supreme Court "spoke quite clearly about the role of Congress in applying copyright to new technologies."

    Von Lohmann said that the entertainment companies will likely turn to Congress for help.

    "It's far from over. I'm sure the plaintiff will seriously consider appealing and I'm sure they will run to Sen. (Orrin) Hatch and encourage him to step in as well," von Lohmann said.

    Hatch (R-Utah), along with Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), introduced the Inducing Infringement of Copyrights Act (SB2560) in June. The bill would hold technology companies liable for any product that might "induce" or encourage people to steal copyright materials. The Senate Judiciary Committee heard testimony on the bill last month.

    http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,64640,00.html
    Originally posted by rayadp05
    I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
  • Doctor Dre
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2001
    • 51692

    #2
    Guess nobody cares
    Originally posted by rayadp05
    I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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    • DarkJedi
      No Refunds Issued.
      • Feb 2001
      • 28301

      #3
      yeah

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      • crockett
        in a van by the river
        • May 2003
        • 76818

        #4
        na, I'm just glad the record companies lost.. they are nothing but freaking crybabies.. They have been over charging for CD and tapes for years and years.

        The internet could have made them billions if they would have used it correctly instead of trying to fight it. The world was at their finger tips and they failed to realize it and still to this day, they can't comprehend the power and sales volume they could have on the net..

        Fucking morons in suits
        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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        • Doctor Dre
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jan 2001
          • 51692

          #5
          Originally posted by crockett
          na, I'm just glad the record companies lost.. they are nothing but freaking crybabies.. They have been over charging for CD and tapes for years and years.

          The internet could have made them billions if they would have used it correctly instead of trying to fight it. The world was at their finger tips and they failed to realize it and still to this day, they can't comprehend the power and sales volume they could have on the net..

          Fucking morons in suits
          The record compagnies are actually the ones loosing ... the artists make more then ever with the shows, cell phones, clothe compagny and all that other bullshit
          Originally posted by rayadp05
          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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          • Dagwolf
            President of Canada
            • Sep 2003
            • 23141

            #6
            Now if we could just get P2P file-sharing without adware...

            well, there's kazaalite, but I don't fully trust it.
            Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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            • Enema
              Confirmed User
              • May 2004
              • 599

              #7
              http://www.shareaza.com/

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              • exposed
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2004
                • 1449

                #8
                *clap*


                "I felt victimized by the Ian Eisenbergs of the world" - Mary Burger

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                • astnfan
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 134

                  #9
                  Well we all like the fact that we can download MP3s for free, but it can also hurt us as well.

                  Something like this could possibly lead more and more sites to DRM thier content.

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                  • TheWildcard
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 4759

                    #10
                    I still use kazaa lite for music.

                    www.packetnews.com for movies

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                    • Manowar
                      jellyfish  
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 71528

                      #11
                      Morpheus is so 2000

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                      • bluff
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                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6253

                        #12
                        That was a few days back

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                        • Babagirls
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                          • Feb 2001
                          • 18812

                          #13
                          Originally posted by TheWildcard
                          I still use kazaa lite for music.




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                          • TechNtentions
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 1119

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Enema
                            http://www.shareaza.com/
                            http://<span style="font-size:20px">...ASH.COM</span>

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                            • majortom
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 492

                              #15
                              I p2p with winmx...no add/spy/malware.


                              It's perfect.
                              Divers Do It Deeper !!!

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                              • FlyingIguana
                                aspiring banker
                                • Mar 2002
                                • 10870

                                #16
                                they should be held liable for what users do on their service. its like having a house and allowing a pimp to use it for his whores.

                                they know illigal activity is going on right under their nose.

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                                • Doctor Dre
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 51692

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Enema
                                  http://www.shareaza.com/
                                  This program is ownage for torrent files
                                  Originally posted by rayadp05
                                  I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                  • stocktrader23
                                    Let's do some business.
                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 18781

                                    #18
                                    p2pservices.com is for sale. See sig.


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                                    • stocktrader23
                                      Let's do some business.
                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 18781

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by FlyingIguana
                                      they should be held liable for what users do on their service. its like having a house and allowing a pimp to use it for his whores.

                                      they know illigal activity is going on right under their nose.
                                      With your thinking companies that make VCR's, tape recorders, cd burners, dvd burners, and a whole slew of other products should be held liable for what the end user does with their merchandise.

                                      It's really very simple, you can't hold someone liable because they use a product that can also be used for legal activity to do something illegal.

                                      Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee


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                                      • CyberBachelor
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jun 2003
                                        • 2682

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Enema
                                        http://www.shareaza.com/

                                        I have heard that they are bad about corrupt files...
                                        .....................................

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                                        • crockett
                                          in a van by the river
                                          • May 2003
                                          • 76818

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                          The record companies are actually the ones loosing ... the artists make more then ever with the shows, cell phones, clothe company and all that other bullshit
                                          well that's what I'm talking about.. it's their own fault they are losing money. They could have set up their own P2P networks to allow users to share approved music for a reasonable monthly fee.. This would have also saved them a shit load of money when testing new artists.. as they would have a instant market place to do song tests, instead of spending 10s of thousands producing videos and albums.
                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                          • FlyingIguana
                                            aspiring banker
                                            • Mar 2002
                                            • 10870

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                            With your thinking companies that make VCR's, tape recorders, cd burners, dvd burners, and a whole slew of other products should be held liable for what the end user does with their merchandise.

                                            It's really very simple, you can't hold someone liable because they use a product that can also be used for legal activity to do something illegal.

                                            Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
                                            p2p is completely different than a vcr. a vcr doesn't provide you with a list of illegal movies to tape. you tape things for personal use so you can watch them later.

                                            p2p services gives people a list of illegal software and aids in breaking the law. i can't believe the judges didn't see that.

                                            apples and oranges

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                                            • stocktrader23
                                              Let's do some business.
                                              • Jan 2003
                                              • 18781

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by FlyingIguana
                                              p2p is completely different than a vcr. a vcr doesn't provide you with a list of illegal movies to tape. you tape things for personal use so you can watch them later.

                                              p2p services gives people a list of illegal software and aids in breaking the law. i can't believe the judges didn't see that.

                                              apples and oranges
                                              Fine we'll go that route. The cable company gives me a nice big list of movies to pirate.


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                                              • FlyingIguana
                                                aspiring banker
                                                • Mar 2002
                                                • 10870

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                Fine we'll go that route. The cable company gives me a nice big list of movies to pirate.
                                                you have to be kidding me?

                                                don't argue just for the sake of arguing

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                                                • Project-Shadow
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 7340

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by FlyingIguana
                                                  you have to be kidding me?

                                                  don't argue just for the sake of arguing
                                                  What he was saying was that with VCR, you could record and sell/trade movies just like via P2P. Whether you pirate them from cable or from terrestrial TV makes no difference. This could be compared to the record companies trying to ban marker pens.

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                                                  • FlyingIguana
                                                    aspiring banker
                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                    • 10870

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Project-Shadow
                                                    What he was saying was that with VCR, you could record and sell/trade movies just like via P2P. Whether you pirate them from cable or from terrestrial TV makes no difference. This could be compared to the record companies trying to ban marker pens.
                                                    its not the same thing because its the person doing the selling/trading. p2p services give pirates a central spot to perform illegal acts. its more like if you let people meet in your backyard to trade movies.

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