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  • Slick
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    • Feb 2001
    • 7338

    #1

    What do you need to build a paysite ?

    Well guys, I've been in this business for quite a few years and have managed to build up 1 million daily hits through my tgps, now I feel like it's time to take it to the next level and jump onto a paysite, BUT rite now, I have no idea what it takes. Here's what I know or think I know so far, ha ha ha.

    First off, content, I'm thinking about picking up Paul Markham content. I can get 200 sets for $4000 which would give me roughly 20,000 pictures (for starters) I'd also pick up some video clips from them.

    Secondly, design, I guess that it'd cost me anywhere from $1000-$2000 for a nice tour, I'd probably need some hosted gallery templates to I suppose.

    Thirdly, billing processors. I'd probably go with CCBill to handle everything, they seem to be about the best out there. In that, would I need a secondary processor ??

    I suppose that it'd be good to also have live chat and/or streaming feeds, would it be good to use a plugin or upsell program for that ??

    The next point is updates. Are there places that sell scripts which add daily updates and also file them away by the girls name in the directory ?? I'm thinking about adding a couple of new sets of content per day (for starters), then once things get rolling up it to 4-5 sets.

    PLEASE give me your opinions on what I have so far and also add what else I've missed. I really wanna weigh everything in before I take the dive. Rite now I'm doing great with what I'm doing, but many people have suggested that it'd be good to jump into a bigger money pool with a paysite.
  • sworld
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    • Feb 2003
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    #2
    the best thing to have is original exclusive content

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    • juicylinks
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      • Apr 2001
      • 122992

      #3
      Read some of Escort Biz's posts regarding this

      Slickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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      • jennycards
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        • Feb 2002
        • 1124

        #4
        Personally I doubt it makes sense to build a new site with content similar to the one on 100s of other sites. Niche, exclusive and genuine are they keys today. Just my
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        • Slick
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          • Feb 2001
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          #5
          Originally posted by sworld
          the best thing to have is original exclusive content
          I actually thought of that, but I think that for starters, it'd be kind of expensive, so I'd like to see what I can do with it, then if things go well, go the exclusive route.

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          • Slick
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            • Feb 2001
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            #6
            Originally posted by juicylinks
            Read some of Escort Biz's posts regarding this

            Slickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
            Thanks Juicy, I'll have a look

            If I get it going big, I'll have a party out in Vegas

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            • sweetcuties
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              • Feb 2002
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              #7
              lol, think outside the box

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              • xdcdave
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                • Feb 2003
                • 1911

                #8
                My tip would be that since you are basically in control of your own traffic, startup smaller niche sites that appeal to the various niche traffic sources you have.

                Or build a mega site, and use niche tours.

                Just my

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                • sworld
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                  • Feb 2003
                  • 512

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Slick

                  I actually thought of that, but I think that for starters, it'd be kind of expensive, so I'd like to see what I can do with it, then if things go well, go the exclusive route.

                  it's expensive but well worth it....retention is a must.

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                  • HarlotCash Dyker
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 1828

                    #10
                    Why buy content to make a pay site?

                    Create your own or do a deal where you buy only 100% exclusive.

                    As soon as a member walks into your site and sees original content which he has never seen before, you have a good chance of keeping him -
                    Hit him with stuff he has seen all over the internet and a whole bunch of upsells - Say goodbye to him - He has seen it all before and isn't interested.
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                    • thepornoguy
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                      • Oct 2002
                      • 163

                      #11
                      To each their own self be true!

                      Time and time again I hear your cry whether it is you or some other guy!

                      Seriously the best advice I can give you is go down the road less traveled!

                      I know I am shouting cliche's at you butt they are cliche's because they mean something.

                      you want to compete with playboy and hustler and platinumbucks and topbucks and every other pay site out there like you are describing well not playboy or hustler they are different plus they have name!

                      What I mean is Paul Markham content is high quality content butt if you want to make it with a paysite you can just send your traffic to sponsors and make more money than if you set up the site yourself!

                      UNLESS !!!

                      Unless you are going to be different! Unless you are going to offer something the others are not offering!

                      So to make it short and sweet every tom with a harry dick is making paysites like you described you have the traffic butt it will only turn and burn if you offer them what they can already get elsewhere!

                      Make someghing new

                      THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX !
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                      • jennycards
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                        • Feb 2002
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by sworld



                        it's expensive but well worth it....retention is a must.
                        My latest research indicates that if you don't need glamour, exclusive & genuine content doesn't need to be expensive. You might get it for as little as $100 per set. And if it's in the right niche you don't need 20k pictures to make your surfer happy. Again, just my
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                        • IntenseCash
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                          • Apr 2003
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                          #13
                          exclusive is the way to go. Do talk to Escort Biz about it. He is the man when it comes to making a paysite with exclusive content.

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                          • thepornoguy
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                            • Oct 2002
                            • 163

                            #14
                            Man this board moves FAST !

                            When I started writing my post there were no replies!

                            I am glad to see I am with the same opinion of such greats as;

                            Jucylinks

                            sworld

                            xdcdave

                            SweetCuties

                            and of course the incomperable

                            and outside the box thinker herself

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                            • Slick
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                              • Feb 2001
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                              #15
                              Wow, I a lot of you guys seem to think that exclusive is the way to go, I do agree with that, BUT to get a site started, I'd need a few thousand pics to get a nice base going.

                              ROUGHLY how much is exlcusive stuff ?? I looked over at Wanton Girls (which has some great looking girls) and they charge $150 for 80-100 images so for like 5000 images, that'd cost me $7500.

                              If I knew for sure that the site would fly, money wouldn't be a matter, but for me, I'd hate to drop $15,000-$20,000 and have the thing flop

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                              • Trax
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                                • Aug 2001
                                • 14486

                                #16
                                how much money do you wanna invest
                                thats useful to know before giving smart answers

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                                • thepornoguy
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                                  • Oct 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Slick
                                  Wow, I a lot of you guys seem to think that exclusive is the way to go, I do agree with that, BUT to get a site started, I'd need a few thousand pics to get a nice base going.

                                  ROUGHLY how much is exlcusive stuff ?? I looked over at Wanton Girls (which has some great looking girls) and they charge $150 for 80-100 images so for like 5000 images, that'd cost me $7500.

                                  If I knew for sure that the site would fly, money wouldn't be a matter, but for me, I'd hate to drop $15,000-$20,000 and have the thing flop
                                  They do have a lot of girls butt that is not what we mean!

                                  Paul has lots of girls too, I bet they will both sell you lots of girls images and vids butt get outside the box, you need something others don't or very few others offer.

                                  email me I have a (FREE) idea for you! [email protected]

                                  and be prepared to answer Trax Question because it is the first thing you need to decide!
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                                  • hyper
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                                    • Mar 2002
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                                    #18
                                    talk to quiet
                                    maybe he can spill some of his deep dark secrets

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                                    • VideoJ
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                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 750

                                      #19
                                      We shoot content for EscortBiz and I know his business model rocks. Otherwise he wouldn't be coming back to us for fresh content for his existing sites and new sites (5 so far). I'd look at around $10k in exclusive content costs for an EB like site, unless you don't want girls who speak english. But the reward will be a lot higher then with non-exclusive content from any producer. You can use that as filler, but don't expect retention with that little content that's gone around.

                                      If you want more details check out our site http://www.PhotoGregg.com and hit up my partner Gregg.
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                                      • Slick
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                                        • Feb 2001
                                        • 7338

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Trax
                                        how much money do you wanna invest
                                        thats useful to know before giving smart answers
                                        Well, rite now I'm thinking in the ballpark of $8000.

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                                        • thepornoguy
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                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 163

                                          #21
                                          oh yeah by the way I have a successfull paysite with over 37,000 paying members and I have less(way less) than 1,000 images on the site and no affiliate program!


                                          no affiliate program = I keep all the money

                                          I charge $10 per month and because there are so few images and videos there is less bandwidth consumed!

                                          Butt you can bet the images are rotated often, not more than once a week, butt when I say I update I update and my members depend on that so they pay me over and over and over again!

                                          Remember as you know because what you went through to get where you are it is harder to get new members than it is to keep the ones you got!

                                          The surfer does not want to hunt he wants to wack so if he knows where he can get what he wants that is where he goes

                                          recurring, residual, retention the 3 Rs of making money with a paysite!
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                                          • VideoJ
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                                            • Aug 2002
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                                            #22
                                            Couple more things. I think video is the way to go if you want the surfers to stick around.

                                            And we do semi-exclusive where it's exclusive to you for 60 to 90 days, then we sell it to others. That's a lot cheaper then the exlcusive but gives you the benifits of exclusive fresh content.
                                            Somebody stole my damn signture...

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                                            • VideoJ
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                                              • Aug 2002
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by thepornoguy
                                              oh yeah by the way I have a successfull paysite with over 37,000 paying members and I have less(way less) than 1,000 images on the site and no affiliate program!

                                              Good job!

                                              mind sharing your url?
                                              Somebody stole my damn signture...

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                                              • juicylinks
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                                                • Apr 2001
                                                • 122992

                                                #24
                                                I am sexy

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                                                • Slick
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                                                  • Feb 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by juicylinks
                                                  I am sexy
                                                  Could I hire you to do a few hardcore sets with some girls ??? If I had that content in my site, rebills would be through the roof

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                                                  • Head
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                                                    • Nov 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Slick

                                                    Could I hire you to do a few hardcore sets with some girls ??? If I had that content in my site, rebills would be through the roof

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                                                    • buddyjuf

                                                      #27
                                                      bump for a great thread, I am hoping to start my own paysite someday as well

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                                                      • bdld
                                                        $100,000
                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                        • 11452

                                                        #28
                                                        what you need for a paysite is a clear plan, connections, and a shitload of cash to start

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                                                        • Lykos
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                                                          • Apr 2003
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                                                          #29
                                                          Hello...
                                                          Can u please hit me up on ICQ?
                                                          Thanx

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                                                          • KaLi
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                                                            • Aug 2003
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                                                            #30
                                                            You dont need tons of cash to start a paysite. But if you want to go exclusive, dont expect to get away with just 2 or 3k. If you are going to go exclusive, do it right and put everything you are willing to put into it. Exclusive is the way to go. By the way, hit me up if you need a design ;)

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                                                            • DVTimes
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                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                              #31
                                                              My advise is hit on a Niche.

                                                              There are so many things you could do.

                                                              I guess it depends on how much you wish to invest.

                                                              I was told that one big seller is the S&M scene, as there arte not many real exclusive sites devoted to this. The site I am thinking of is something such as Wastland. If you could do your own version of this, then I bet it would sell.
                                                              XXX

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                                                              • graphicsbytia
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                                                                • Sep 2003
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                                                                #32
                                                                you have mail ;)

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                                                                • SGS
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                                                                  • Dec 2002
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by allanuk
                                                                  My advise is hit on a Niche.

                                                                  There are so many things you could do.

                                                                  I guess it depends on how much you wish to invest.

                                                                  I was told that one big seller is the S&M scene, as there arte not many real exclusive sites devoted to this. The site I am thinking of is something such as Wastland. If you could do your own version of this, then I bet it would sell.
                                                                  Ours is 100% exclusive and we dont do too bad.
                                                                  See sig...

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                                                                  • strobi
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                                                                    • Nov 2002
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    1) think niche
                                                                    2) only exclusive (DONT use filler, DONT, filler is useless)
                                                                    3) original

                                                                    and you simply CANNOT fail, at least with the traffic you've got to feed it.

                                                                    10K$ investment isn't that hard to gain back. Your traffic, a few hun galleries for a few months...

                                                                    You can do it with filler/plugin content but you'll have to have alot of affiliates behind you...

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                                                                    • Slick
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                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                      • 7338

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Thanks for all of the input guys. I guess that exclusive might be the way to go then, I'll have to plan on dishing out more money then, ha ha ha.

                                                                      If I went the exclusive road, roughly how many images do you think would be sufficient to launch a site ?? I was thinking about buying a big pile of non-exclusive to start the site, then adding in exclusive when it starts making money, but it seems like a lot of you are against that. I figure that since most of you know a lot more about paysites than me, I'd better listen to all of you, ha ha ha.

                                                                      ALSO, is there anything else besides content that I really need to keep in mind or that I missing ???

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                                                                      • Peter Romero
                                                                        Long time no happy ending
                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 10617

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Slick
                                                                        Thanks for all of the input guys. I guess that exclusive might be the way to go then, I'll have to plan on dishing out more money then, ha ha ha.

                                                                        If I went the exclusive road, roughly how many images do you think would be sufficient to launch a site ?? I was thinking about buying a big pile of non-exclusive to start the site, then adding in exclusive when it starts making money, but it seems like a lot of you are against that. I figure that since most of you know a lot more about paysites than me, I'd better listen to all of you, ha ha ha.

                                                                        ALSO, is there anything else besides content that I really need to keep in mind or that I missing ???
                                                                        Ask & ye shall recieve. You send me traffic, I'll make you the content for free exclusive to you in a reality site that we develop together as long as we trade exit traffic & you really do get 1 Mil uniques a day. Here's my agency www.sstm.net & here's my paysite www.povporn.com . I shoot everything for my paysite myself, and a few others like www.tushylickers.com & www.badtushy.com & a few others. 818-360-4352


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                                                                        • doober
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by strobi

                                                                          2) only exclusive (DONT use filler, DONT, filler is useless)
                                                                          filler has its place

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                                                                          • TheJimmy
                                                                            ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                            • 10747

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by hyper
                                                                            talk to quiet
                                                                            maybe he can spill some of his deep dark secrets

                                                                            so if he spills them, will they become shallow light secrets?

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                                                                            • Arousal Design
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                                                                              • Jun 2002
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              I agree with all the exclusives. I think the better the micro-niche the better the $. All your other ideas are pretty well on... but to retain your members you need some amazing content.

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                                                                              • graphicsbytia
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                                                                                • Sep 2003
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Slick,

                                                                                We'd like to build your paysite for you when you're ready, it sounds to me like you're going to do it right. We have just partnered up with a designer who did mainstream work for years, and he hasn't got much in our portfolio yet, but he did the re-design of Graphics by tia http://www.graphicsbytia.com and this is his mainstream site http://www.bluesimian.com

                                                                                Take a look and if you're interested hit me up on icq or e-mail [email protected] and we'll make you a deal on the design.

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                                                                                • flashfreak
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                                                                                  • Jun 2002
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  you need my games too, they'll increase your site retention...
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                                                                                  • DraX
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                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 7147

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by flashfreak
                                                                                    you need my games too, they'll increase your site retention...
                                                                                    How good are those games for a paysite??

                                                                                    Any thoughts of that?
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                                                                                    • Hammer
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                                                                                      • Apr 2003
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      There have been a lot of good suggestions made in this thread and I agree with all of them. The only thing is, I've not seen anyone suggest starting with some AVS sites instead of a pay site.

                                                                                      We all know Shemp and respect him and he makes most of his money promoting his AVS sites on his TGPs and doesn't own a single pay site to my knowledge.

                                                                                      With an AVS site you don't need anywhere near as much content as a pay site, but I would suggest going with the top level AVS and monthly recurrings.

                                                                                      You can buy some original content and come up with some origninal theme, or at least something that isn't done to death like teens, and build the site for less than a grand easy. Then you update it just like you would a pay site for good member retention.

                                                                                      In addition to the money you make from the actual AVS signups you can promote your sponsor's sites in the member's area. This means that all those guys that are going to come in with a password already aren't just using up your bandwidth because you're going to sell some of them something anyway.

                                                                                      Most AVS companies provide free hosting too, like CyberAge. I find the hosting to be top notch and of course, it's free.

                                                                                      Sure, with the right pay site you can make a lot more money than you can with an AVS site, but it's tough these days to come up with that hot new idea that will take the porn biz by storm. You can always turn the AVS sites into pay sites somewhere down the road if you want or do come up with the next Bang Bus.
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                                                                                      • pornkitten
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        you need money
                                                                                        too lazy to find advertising for this sig space

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                                                                                        • Pete
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                                                                                          • Jan 2001
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Go quality not quantity. Surfers arent interested in thousands of shitty images. Mix it up with vids, live feeds, games, stories, chat, jokes etc.
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                                                                                          • XxXotic
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            unique idea
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                                                                                            • buddyjuf

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              alright guys, let's talk figures

                                                                                              how much $ should be invested to make an exclusive paysite and how should the $ be distributed?

                                                                                              (just give me your opinions)

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                                                                                              • Brujah
                                                                                                Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                • 22157

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Slick
                                                                                                The next point is updates. Are there places that sell scripts which add daily updates and also file them away by the girls name in the directory ?? I'm thinking about adding a couple of new sets of content per day (for starters), then once things get rolling up it to 4-5 sets.
                                                                                                Great thread. Not sure if anyone replied with this part yet but Updatem might work for what you need.

                                                                                                http://www.updatem.com

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                                                                                                • Slick
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                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Brujah


                                                                                                  Great thread. Not sure if anyone replied with this part yet but Updatem might work for what you need.

                                                                                                  http://www.updatem.com
                                                                                                  Wow, thanks for the interesting tool there. I like the idea of that program how it only shows updates when people come back, that does make a lot of sense.

                                                                                                  I'm glad that I started this thread, I'm sure learning a lot. Maybe I'll have to look into games and other stuff like that. I suppose that the more assortment you have, the better chance of finding something to make a member happier.

                                                                                                  Thanks again for all of your comments
                                                                                                  Last edited by Slick; 01-25-2004, 06:58 PM.

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                                                                                                  • Slick
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                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by graphicsbytia
                                                                                                    Slick,

                                                                                                    We'd like to build your paysite for you when you're ready, it sounds to me like you're going to do it right. We have just partnered up with a designer who did mainstream work for years, and he hasn't got much in our portfolio yet, but he did the re-design of Graphics by tia http://www.graphicsbytia.com and this is his mainstream site http://www.bluesimian.com

                                                                                                    Take a look and if you're interested hit me up on icq or e-mail [email protected] and we'll make you a deal on the design.
                                                                                                    Thanks for your offer, I'll have a look at what ya got

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