Bill Gates says all spammers will have to pay to send mail in the near future

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  • Mr.Fiction
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    Bill Gates says all spammers will have to pay to send mail in the near future

    "Two years from now, spam will be solved," he told a select group of World Economic Forum (news - web sites) participants at this Alpine ski resort. "And a lot of progress this year," he added at the event late Friday, hosted by U.S. talk show host Charlie Rose.

    Gates said Microsoft, where he has the title of chief software designer, is working on a solution based on the concept of "proof," or identifying the sender of the e-mail.

    The most promising, Gates said, was a method that would hit the sender of an e-mail in the pocketbook.

    People would set a level of monetary risk ? low or high, depending on their choice ? for receiving e-mail from strangers. If the e-mail turns out to be from a long-lost relative, for example, the recipient would charge nothing. But if it is unwanted spam, the sender would have to fork over the cash.

    "In the long run, the monetary (method) will be dominant," Gates predicted.


    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._forum_gates_4

    Is he saying that you would have to put money in escrow before sending out any email?
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  • IPK
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    #2
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    • buddyjuf

      #3
      as long as there is email, there will be spam

      as simple as that

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      • Gheenz
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        • Oct 2003
        • 2410

        #4
        Well he can just kiss my ass, I'm gonna keep spamming everyone
        Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

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        • webair
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          • com
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            #6
            Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
            "Two years from now, spam will be solved," he told a select group of World Economic Forum (news - web sites) participants at this Alpine ski resort. "And a lot of progress this year," he added at the event late Friday, hosted by U.S. talk show host Charlie Rose.

            Gates said Microsoft, where he has the title of chief software designer, is working on a solution based on the concept of "proof," or identifying the sender of the e-mail.

            The most promising, Gates said, was a method that would hit the sender of an e-mail in the pocketbook.

            People would set a level of monetary risk ? low or high, depending on their choice ? for receiving e-mail from strangers. If the e-mail turns out to be from a long-lost relative, for example, the recipient would charge nothing. But if it is unwanted spam, the sender would have to fork over the cash.

            "In the long run, the monetary (method) will be dominant," Gates predicted.


            http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._forum_gates_4

            Is he saying that you would have to put money in escrow before sending out any email?
            what happens when shit starts blue screening and your escrow disappears

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            • brand0n
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              #7
              someone outta tell him maybe he should run the anti drug campain in the us. everytime a drug dealer gets cought they risk going to jail. that will sure stop them dead in there tracks, just as this will stop spam.
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              • - Jesus Christ -
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                • Mar 2003
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                #8
                What if I have a long converstaion with you.... then retroactivly deny your e-mails?

                Amen

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                • Rictor
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                  • Jan 2001
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                  #9
                  I read it 3 times and it still doesn't make sense to me.

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                  • Mr.Fiction
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by brand0n
                    someone outta tell him maybe he should run the anti drug campain in the us. everytime a drug dealer gets cought they risk going to jail. that will sure stop them dead in there tracks, just as this will stop spam.
                    I think what he's saying is that you would have to put the money up front, before your email would be delivered.

                    So, some kid with 3 million AOL addresses couldn't send any emails unless he put into escrow the combined total of the money that every one of those 3 million people required to get an email. Say each one wants $00.01, the kid would have to put $30,000 in escrow before his email would be delivered. If the messages were spam, then each user would keep the .01 - if it was real mail, they would just let the money stay in escrow for whoever sent the mail.

                    Does anyone know more about this proposal? Is this something new or do anti-spammers already have a working version somewhere?
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                    • jennycards
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                      • brand0n
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                        • Nov 2002
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                        #12
                        and who is he to lay down these laws? i thought he ran a software company, not congress.
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                        • tranza
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                          • Jun 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                          "Two years from now, spam will be solved," he told a select group of World Economic Forum (news - web sites) participants at this Alpine ski resort. "And a lot of progress this year," he added at the event late Friday, hosted by U.S. talk show host Charlie Rose.

                          Gates said Microsoft, where he has the title of chief software designer, is working on a solution based on the concept of "proof," or identifying the sender of the e-mail.

                          The most promising, Gates said, was a method that would hit the sender of an e-mail in the pocketbook.

                          People would set a level of monetary risk ? low or high, depending on their choice ? for receiving e-mail from strangers. If the e-mail turns out to be from a long-lost relative, for example, the recipient would charge nothing. But if it is unwanted spam, the sender would have to fork over the cash.

                          "In the long run, the monetary (method) will be dominant," Gates predicted.


                          http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._forum_gates_4

                          Is he saying that you would have to put money in escrow before sending out any email?
                          Great news.... I don't believe it tough...
                          I'm just a newbie.

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                          • Ic3m4nZ
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                            #14
                            Even if he puts this we're going to continue and find new methods anyway

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                            • tranza
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                              • Jun 2003
                              • 57559

                              #15
                              Originally posted by milhouse_dick
                              Well he can just kiss my ass, I'm gonna keep spamming everyone
                              Die!!! Fucking spammer....
                              I'm just a newbie.

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                              • VideoVoyeur
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                                • Jun 2003
                                • 2181

                                #16
                                And so spammers will use Linux, who cares, most do already...

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                                • spamofon
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                                  #17
                                  ALL YOUR EMAILS ARE BELONG TO US

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                                  • jasonir
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                                    #18
                                    Spam was pretty much solved with Outlook 2003, if you ask me.
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                                    • Rorschach
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                                      #19
                                      It's not exactly as if M$ has a long history of products that do what they're supposed to anyway.

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                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
                                        And so spammers will use Linux, who cares, most do already...
                                        It wouldn't matter what system you used, you would still have to pay to have your mail delivered to each person.

                                        No email would be delivered to AOL, Hotmail, Earthlink, Yahoo, etc., unless the sender has first put money into an escrow account. For a normal person who sends 100 mails a week, you could keep $10 in the escrow account and all your mail would go through without problem. The only time money is taken out of escrow is if the person getting the mail wants to punish you.

                                        If you were a spammer, you would have to put up tens of thousands of dollars to mail a list and you would lose the money if people considered it to be spam.

                                        I have no idea if it would work, but it's a more interesting idea the more you think about it.
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                                        • Rorschach
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                                          #21
                                          And who handles the escrow? MS? So they get sent millions to use as free investment money? And what about people who don't use an MS OS?

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                                          • jacobt
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                                            #22
                                            so don't mail big domains, problem solved. theres still plenty of small domain business left
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                                            • Mr.Fiction
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Rorschach
                                              And who handles the escrow? MS? So they get sent millions to use as free investment money? And what about people who don't use an MS OS?
                                              That's probably the plan - it's a "free" service, but they hold the money in Escrow.

                                              I have no idea how it really works, I'm just making shit up from reading the original article.
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                                              • Vitasoy
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by spamofon
                                                ALL YOUR EMAILS ARE BELONG TO US


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                                                • VideoVoyeur
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                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                  It wouldn't matter what system you used, you would still have to pay to have your mail delivered to each person.

                                                  No email would be delivered to AOL, Hotmail, Earthlink, Yahoo, etc., unless the sender has first put money into an escrow account. For a normal person who sends 100 mails a week, you could keep $10 in the escrow account and all your mail would go through without problem. The only time money is taken out of escrow is if the person getting the mail wants to punish you.

                                                  If you were a spammer, you would have to put up tens of thousands of dollars to mail a list and you would lose the money if people considered it to be spam.

                                                  I have no idea if it would work, but it's a more interesting idea the more you think about it.



                                                  Erm, it wouldnt work heh first off , anyone who has an email server would have to be included in that only if they wanted to be, meaning, theres THOUSANDS of companies that own their own email server, what if they dont want people to pahve to pay.

                                                  Secondly, so then for it to work Microslut would have to reroute all the mail through their office just to make sure that people HAD funds in their account to send it.

                                                  Thats like the US Postal service requiring you send them a bank statement with each mail you send.

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                                                  • reynold
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                                                    #26
                                                    excellent!

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                                                    • Trax
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                                                      #27
                                                      lets see what happens

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                                                      • sumphatpimp
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                                                        #28
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                                                        • madsender
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                                                          • Nov 2003
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                                                          #29
                                                          In two years? Who cares!

                                                          I'll be retired by then..

                                                          Spamming is good..
                                                          Is your sponser doing these kind of numbers for you?

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                                                          • sumphatpimp
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                                                            #30

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                                                            • Rick Latona
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                                                              #31
                                                              This has been predicted since 1998. The idea was started by Esther Dyson. I read it in her book years ago:

                                                              http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...lance&s=books.

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                                                              • soldierdog
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                                                                • Jan 2004
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                                                                #32
                                                                Ironport is already trying to lock down this whole paridigm. Ironport Appliances, Bonded sender -> http://www.bondedsender.com , and Spamcop are all under their belt.

                                                                When the tailgate drops, the bullshit stops

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                                                                • CAHEK
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  you have to cut the internet to cut off the spam
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                                                                  • Brujah
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by CAHEK
                                                                    you have to cut the internet to cut off the spam
                                                                    He's not saying you can't spam. You can SPAM all day long, but your mail won't be delivered without prepaying for it.

                                                                    Now, how can we profit from the new Internet Postal System ?

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                                                                    • qwe
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      good luck doing that... there will ALWAYS be ways around anything..

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                                                                      • Snake Doctor
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        I'm thinking all he has to do is get the big ISP's to cooperate and it could work.
                                                                        If you spam from your aol account then aol adds the charge to your bill.
                                                                        If your mail server sends mail through level3, then level3 tacks the charges onto your bandwidth bill.

                                                                        Something like that.
                                                                        sig too big

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                                                                        • Lane
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          It's all about having the big players agree on a plan. If that is achieved, it is very possible.

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                                                                          • iroc409
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            well, they've been trying to put postage on emails for a long time. guess they're getting a little closer now.
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                                                                            • beemk
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                                                                              i doubt it
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                                                                              • Rorschach
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                                                                                • Aug 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                What happens with free email services? Do they all become pay to play? And what about people using trojaned proxies? Who gets to pay then?

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                                                                                • kmanrox
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                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                  • 29295

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Brujah


                                                                                  He's not saying you can't spam. You can SPAM all day long, but your mail won't be delivered without prepaying for it.

                                                                                  Now, how can we profit from the new Internet Postal System ?

                                                                                  nobody can control that..... just as nobody can stop people from making beasty or CP sites..... there's no total control of a free area... he can try, and he may make a dent yes.... but there's no way even in the near future spam is going to stop...
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                                                                                  • sandman!
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Rorschach
                                                                                    What happens with free email services? Do they all become pay to play? And what about people using trojaned proxies? Who gets to pay then?
                                                                                    Im assuming trojans would not work incoming mail servers would only allow mail from servers it knows are registered so no registration your mail gets bounced.
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                                                                                    • hostey_com
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Bill can't stop us
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                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 30307

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Evolution will change things you child molesting fucktard spammers...
                                                                                        How many spammers have a list of verified adults in there lists???

                                                                                        Um none...
                                                                                        How does it feel to know that children recieve your spam and see the explicit ad's?
                                                                                        Direct Marketing sex to kids...

                                                                                        Keep making your money bottom dwellers and sick fucks.

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                                                                                        • BlackCrayon
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                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          sounds like an unrealistic pipe dream. either way i predict it will be more like 10 years instead of 2.
                                                                                          you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                            • 30307

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            There ought to be laws regarding sending emails to unvarified ages...

                                                                                            Know the facts of what your doing...
                                                                                            Know what you have done.

                                                                                            Look in the mirror...

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                                                                                            • kmanrox
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                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                              • 29295

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                              Evolution will change things you child molesting fucktard spammers...
                                                                                              How many spammers have a list of verified adults in there lists???

                                                                                              Um none...
                                                                                              How does it feel to know that children recieve your spam and see the explicit ad's?
                                                                                              Direct Marketing sex to kids...

                                                                                              Keep making your money bottom dwellers and sick fucks.
                                                                                              i dont mail porn fucktard.... now what's your excuse for hatin'? no money or intellect to figure out how to make millions mailing?

                                                                                              it's usually the startup money, if you wanna make big bucks you gotta have it... and from the narrow minded opinion of you, punk, it's startup money....

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                                                                                              • kmanrox
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                                                                                                • Oct 2001
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                and im going to sleep now, so argue till your blue in the face alien you narrow minded pauper....
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                                                                                                • tony299
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I hope bill can do it , all the spam I get I would be a rich man lol.

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                                                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    25 Future spammer child molesters.

                                                                                                    Originally posted by kmanrox
                                                                                                    and im going to sleep now, so argue till your blue in the face alien you narrow minded pauper....
                                                                                                    Ha...

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                                                                                                    Call me watch you will...

                                                                                                    I wont be retiring in Jail.
                                                                                                    Spammers days are comming...
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