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  • Quotealex
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2001
    • 6265
    #1

    Do you think sponsors also do reverse shaving?

    A reverse shaving is when a sponsor give you signups that you didn't make. For example, if you sent them 1,000 hits and actually only made one signup, they would trow in another signup so that you stat shows a ratio of 1:500 instead of 1:1000.

    Why would they do that you ask?
    Simply to get you hooked and start promoting them more....

    Do you thing sponsors do reverse shaving?
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    • beemk
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      • Jan 2002
      • 20829
      #2
      i dont know, but if you find any that do let me know so i can sign up and promote them
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        • EscortBiz
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          • May 2002
          • 19422
          #3
          Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
          A reverse shaving is when a sponsor give you signups that you didn't make. For example, if you sent them 1,000 hits and actually only made one signup, they would trow in another signup so that you stat shows a ratio of 1:500 instead of 1:1000.

          Why would they do that you ask?
          Simply to get you hooked and start promoting them more....

          Do you thing sponsors do reverse shaving?
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            • julioxp
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              • Aug 2004
              • 160
              #4
              If they make false signups it is only to give sth to the people to say that they are good sponsors and well converting and bla bla bla when it isn't true.

              If you notice something like that you should make it public to avoid other ppl to get fucked by them.

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                • biskoppen
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 5809
                  #5
                  It will only bring a short time effect ... they can't afford keeping on doing it .. and the minute they stop people will get disapointed - and maybe stop pushing them

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                    • EviLGuY
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 12745
                      #6
                      I doubt it happens unless its someone trying to land a big fish webmaster or something.

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                        • Jakke PNG
                          ex-TeenGodFather
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 20306
                          #7
                          I think they rather shave hits than give extra sales. lol.

                          I convert at 1:20 2nd page uniques, and 1:100 1st page raw at a certain sponsor according to their stats. Total of 1000 hits sent according to them.
                          Funnily my own stats show over 5k hits sent.

                          I'm not complaining as long as they pay though.
                          ..and I'm off.

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                            • Quotealex
                              Confirmed User
                              • Sep 2001
                              • 6265
                              #8
                              Originally posted by biskoppen
                              It will only bring a short time effect ... they can't afford keeping on doing it .. and the minute they stop people will get disapointed - and maybe stop pushing them

                              (Shut up Steve )

                              Yeah but in the mean time they get you to make lots of galleries, feeders and other sites for them that you can't replace/remove and they'll get lots of publicity.

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                                • hjnet
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 3815
                                  #9
                                  I def. think that reverse shaving exists, I have that one sponsor I've promoted ~1 year ago, and I didn't send them much traffic since then (~50 hits per month), but during the last 6 months I always got a sale at the beginning of a new month, but i don#t complain about that.

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                                    • Quotealex
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Sep 2001
                                      • 6265
                                      #10
                                      I think every sponsors these days know that their affiliates can and do track the amount of hits they send to them, thus whether the sponsors count hits on the first page, second page or signup page, it is irrelevant since we use our own stats for the hits we send and just care about number of signup we get from sponsors.

                                      Originally posted by TeenGodFather
                                      I think they rather shave hits than give extra sales. lol.

                                      I convert at 1:20 2nd page uniques, and 1:100 1st page raw at a certain sponsor according to their stats. Total of 1000 hits sent according to them.
                                      Funnily my own stats show over 5k hits sent.

                                      I'm not complaining as long as they pay though.

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                                        • emmanuelle
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 3662
                                          #11
                                          Yes they do, but I don't think you need to worry about that

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                                            • BradM
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Dec 2003
                                              • 3397
                                              #12
                                              I believe some have done it sure.

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                                                • Fabien
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                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                  • 4789
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                                  A reverse shaving is when a sponsor give you signups that you didn't make. For example, if you sent them 1,000 hits and actually only made one signup, they would trow in another signup so that you stat shows a ratio of 1:500 instead of 1:1000.

                                                  Why would they do that you ask?
                                                  Simply to get you hooked and start promoting them more....

                                                  Do you thing sponsors do reverse shaving?
                                                  Wow Alex
                                                  T'en fumes du bon à matin

                                                  Yeah, i thought about that once.
                                                  Why not ? What, got something you want to tell us

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                                                    • {fusion}
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                      • 1650
                                                      #14
                                                      look at a sponsor like a slot machine and you will have the true picture.

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                                                        • bigdog
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 6964
                                                          #15
                                                          i would reverse shave all the guys that publish their stats, plus guys like persiankitty and greenguy because i always visit their sites to see what they are pushing.

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                                                            • Dirty F
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                              • 59204
                                                              #16
                                                              Platinum bucks already showed sales for the next month. Now thats nice isnt it

                                                              Ars had extra sales showing up but they were quickly deleted again as well as all the messages on the message board about it.

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                                                                • mardigras
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                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                  • 14194
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by biskoppen
                                                                  they can't afford keeping on doing it
                                                                  They could if they were randomly assigning sales that didn't come from affiliate links (search engine hits) to affiliates. I recall seeing at least one sponsor in the past who did that, but can't remember who.
                                                                  .

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                                                                    • sake
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                      • 2648
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Why not simply shave the hits so that your ratio looks a lot better and therefore you will keep on pushing them?

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                                                                        • rowan
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                          • 17393
                                                                          #19
                                                                          There was one particular cam sponsor where if you had a bad run and emailed them saying "my ratio is very high, is something wrong?" a sale or two would magically appear soon after their reply.

                                                                          It happened twice to me, may have been coincidence, may have been 'shave conscience' (cough)

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                                                                            • Basic_man
                                                                              Programming King Pin
                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                              • 27360
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                                                              Yeah but in the mean time they get you to make lots of galleries, feeders and other sites for them that you can't replace/remove and they'll get lots of publicity.
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                                                                                • jimmyf
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                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                  • 12651
                                                                                  #21
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                                                                                    • http
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                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                      • 1811
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      there was one big sponsor where you could always open a fresh account and always see substantially better results immediately, with exactly the same traffic source & amount

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                                                                                        • Reak
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                          • 17920
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          10dollarcash.com counts on joinpage ratio..

                                                                                          So in fact you sond 3k hits but your signup ratio is 1:120

                                                                                          soulcash.com counts on 2th page uniques

                                                                                          So in fact you sond 5k hits with only 3k showing on 1:500 ratio



                                                                                          Personal i dont mind aslong i know it ( and dont find out later )

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                                                                                            • Gator
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                              • 1119
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by rowan
                                                                                              There was one particular cam sponsor where if you had a bad run and emailed them saying "my ratio is very high, is something wrong?" a sale or two would magically appear soon after their reply.

                                                                                              It happened twice to me, may have been coincidence, may have been 'shave conscience' (cough)
                                                                                              I am testing one right now. I haven't had a sale in over 2 months.

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                                                                                                • Quotealex
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                  • 6265
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Fabien
                                                                                                  Wow Alex
                                                                                                  T'en fumes du bon à matin

                                                                                                  Yeah, i thought about that once.
                                                                                                  Why not ? What, got something you want to tell us
                                                                                                  Haha très drole

                                                                                                  In general, I trust as much as sponsors as I trust pushers

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                                                                                                    • Varius
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                                                      • 6890
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Good question.

                                                                                                      From my point of view, I see it like this:

                                                                                                      If someone is converting badly and we give him a signup so he sends more traffic, we're throwing away money.

                                                                                                      If his small traffic wont convert, why would more of it start converting ????

                                                                                                      The better thing to do is try and find out how he's sending traffic and see what can be done with your site, maybe new front-ends for example, so help IMPROVE his conversion.

                                                                                                      True, I suppose a sponsor could add sales to someone to keep them happy, but if it's only for reputation, they might as well just pay them straight out to be a rep on the board...same effect, less work
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                                                                                                        • WiredGuy
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                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                          • 34513
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I would say certain sponsors do this to accounts that make their stats public. For example, a couple link lists publish their stats and sites like the Statistician. By giving extra joins, this makes their program look better to webmasters who are looking at the stats. Makes their program stick out on top and hence brings in more webmasters.

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                                                                                                            • biskoppen
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                              • 5809
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by sake
                                                                                                              Why not simply shave the hits so that your ratio looks a lot better and therefore you will keep on pushing them?
                                                                                                              Only the inexperienced webmaster bases success on the ratio .. it's all about expenses versus income - no matter what the ratio is .. I have success at 1:20 with some programs at 1:1300 with others
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                                                                                                                • ItBurnsWhenIpee
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                  • 1288
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I do know that almost every time I have tried a new sponsor, they are amazing for about 2 weeks, then they perform how I would expect them to after that.

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                                                                                                                    • Rich
                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                      • 11486
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TeenGodFather
                                                                                                                      I think they rather shave hits than give extra sales.
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                                                                                                                        • nastyking
                                                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                          • 2174
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          can be tested easily

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                                                                                                                            • Quotealex
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                              • 6265
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by nastyking
                                                                                                                              can be tested easily
                                                                                                                              I presume sponsors would besmart enough to use reverse shaving only after you start getting signups so to avoid getting frauded with hitbots;)

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                                                                                                                                • juicylinks
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 122992
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  yup i know it exists

                                                                                                                                  it happens

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                                                                                                                                    • Quotealex
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 6265
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by nastyking
                                                                                                                                      can be tested easily
                                                                                                                                      I presume sponsors would be smart enough to use reverse shaving only after you start getting signups so to avoid getting frauded with hitbots;)

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                                                                                                                                        • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 51692
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by biskoppen
                                                                                                                                          It will only bring a short time effect ... they can't afford keeping on doing it .. and the minute they stop people will get disapointed - and maybe stop pushing them

                                                                                                                                          (Shut up Steve )
                                                                                                                                          not if they generally convert great and shave ...

                                                                                                                                          then when you got bad luck and don't convert they add signups
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                                                                                                                                            • LA Mike
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                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 3056
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                              I would say certain sponsors do this to accounts that make their stats public. For example, a couple link lists publish their stats and sites like the Statistician. By giving extra joins, this makes their program look better to webmasters who are looking at the stats. Makes their program stick out on top and hence brings in more webmasters.

                                                                                                                                              WG

                                                                                                                                              Exactly why we don't use programs that compare like that.

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                                                                                                                                                • pornguy
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                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 62910
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  That theory kind of goes along with giving away free porn to entice sales. It may actually work, and may happen.
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                                                                                                                                                    • wargames
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                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 10423
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      I have heard of new companies doing that just to give there new program a boost right off the bat
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