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01-18-2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

So CP is art too?
Many people claim it to be. Does that make it right?

Ok now were on a different topic.

There are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule , this happens to be one of them.

Back in the 70's there was lots of tastefull art that today would be called CP .

Its hard to draw that line , but thats where we as a society have made the line.

I happen to think that there is such thing as tastefull child nudity ( like the coppertan ad )

But as a society we understand that sicko's bend the rules . so we have made a line. Its hard to say if i agree or not but obviously we draw a line at sex so there is a line , i think we all agree on that. Its alot harder to find that line when referring to religion and violence

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01-18-2004, 03:31 PM

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The ambassador was an idiot to take matters " in his own hands" as much as the organizer of the exhibition to displaying a controversial tasteless piece of " art "....

Sorry but there is nothing wrong with controversial art.

Man if you people could have seen the things I have seen working in museums.

I was part of a Pop Art Exhibit that featyured 3 million dollar Lichtensteins, and Warhols and Basquiat.

In that exhibit was one of the most offending pieces of work I have even (to this date) seen, and you know what, I am GLAD they had it in the exhibit, people need to see things. Art can be shocking especially art that is supposed to have a statement.

The piece I am talking about was a lifesize Jeff Koontz statue, made with real hair, and was a 4 foot tall little boy, and he had a vagina for a mouth, and was dressed in little boy clothese screaming and looking up at you with a vagina for a mouth.

People protested it, but we set it up anyway.

The reviewers came and wrote their ass off, and it was a great exhibit, you didnt HAVr to view it, it was in its own section cut off from the view of others, but EVERYONE came to see that one piece.

I have al;so shown the PissChrist and may other CONTROVERSIAl art inclusing very anti-jesus images and molds of bodies with blood and knives etc, mostly Santerian art etc, but nonetheless what is tasteless to some is art to others.

I have loved art my entire life.

it says more than politicians do thats for sure.

sorry for the ramble, on my way out the house.

art should be seen no matter the content.

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01-18-2004, 03:31 PM

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Jews often fight amongst themselves. The American Jews and the Israeli Jews have an attitude towards each other also. Sharon isn't 100% supported by his people. He's considered a war monger by many.

He is a war criminal..the 'butcher of habra and shatilla' as some call him. He is responsible for ordering the murder of women and children at the Lebanese refugee camps when he was general in the 80's.

Of course..you don't hear about that anywhere..

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01-18-2004, 03:31 PM

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01-18-2004, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

Ok now were on a different topic.

There are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule , this happens to be one of them.

Back in the 70's there was lots of tastefull art that today would be called CP .

Its hard to draw that line , but thats where we as a society have made the line.

Well the kind of art the topic is about is an exception too....
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01-18-2004, 03:33 PM

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01-18-2004, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by r0oster

I think this thread might be a little too grown up for you.

So you would expect a US diplomat to trash such a painting (of 9/11) and to be publicly supported in this act of vandalism by Bush?

Who ever said anything about a painting?
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01-18-2004, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

Well the kind of art the topic is about is an exception too....

I think that line is alot harder to define than you think. With CP its pretty clear in most countries . No depictions of the genitals or sexual acts.
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01-18-2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Sorry but there is nothing wrong with controversial art.

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art should be seen no matter the content.

I wont quote your whole statement , but very smart

Although they always get you with the cp as the argument , and its hard to beat.
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01-18-2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

I think that line is alot harder to define than you think. With CP its pretty clear in most countries . No depictions of the genitals or sexual acts.

You can't compare the 2...
This is one type of line crossing and this is another.
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01-18-2004, 03:37 PM

Whatever you agree the art worked . It got alot of people to talk about the conflict ( if they already werent talking about it )
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01-18-2004, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

I wont quote your whole statement , but very smart

Although they always get you with the cp as the argument , and its hard to beat.

i really have no prob with controversial art, and im running in and out because im makin a tasty steak mmm steak.

but sometimes certain art does cross the line. itd be hard for me to fully comment if i saw the big picture of the art.

but with the basis line of it depicting a pro msg towards suicide bombers that i am against.
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01-18-2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

You can't compare the 2...
This is one type of line crossing and this is another.

I just did compare the 2

Its totally different . How do you POLICE art ? How would you make the guidlines ?

Take all art and display it in front of ambassadors for various countries and see if any of them throw something at it ?
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01-18-2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

I just did compare the 2

Its totally different . How do you POLICE art ? How would you make the guidlines ?

Take all art and display it in front of ambassadors for various countries and see if any of them throw something at it ?

When art is offending a large group of people that have been is a tragedy.... this is the line.
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01-18-2004, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

When art is offending a large group of people that have been is a tragedy.... this is the line.

Thats not quite definitive enough.

So you would have people vote on it ?

Who is to say a large group of people are offended ?

Im offended by tampon commercials on TV and im sure i could get every man along with me on that one. but i dont think ill be getting tampon commercials banned anytime soon just because it offends me

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01-18-2004, 03:45 PM

Besides that fact your assuming everyone gets the same message from the art that you do.

Everyone interprets art in their own way
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01-18-2004, 03:49 PM

What the fuck kind of ref's do they have in this game damnit.
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01-18-2004, 03:51 PM

What a pointless thread.

It's like battle of the 'tards in here.
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01-18-2004, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by r0oster
What a pointless thread.

It's like battle of the 'tards in here.

You just won the KING TARD award The most prolific tard in the thread so far.
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01-18-2004, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

You just won the KING TARD award The most prolific tard in the thread so far.

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01-18-2004, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

When art is offending a large group of people that have been is a tragedy.... this is the line.

so Lord of the Rings part 2 : the two towers should have been scrapped because it offended people sensitive to 9/11?
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01-18-2004, 04:09 PM

Ok, I just posted an old thread. lol

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01-18-2004, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
What if I make an art laughing about 9-11.... I bet not many people will laugh than...or think its art either.

First, the guy who made that piece of art is Israeli born and he didn't do it as a pro-suicide bombing thing. I mean look at it, it shows you how sad the whole thing is. A face floating in a pool of blood isn't exactly what I'd call making fun.
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01-18-2004, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

When art is offending a large group of people that have been is a tragedy.... this is the line.

So if your porn is offending a large group of people, you'll stop doing it?
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01-18-2004, 04:26 PM

The news will KEEP insisting the art GLORIFIED suicide bombers when it in fact did not, and Sharon will continue to say it was anti-semitism.

always pulling the anti-semitie card.

fucking retards.

""I called our ambassador in Sweden Zvi Mazel last night and thanked him for his strength in dealing with increasing anti-Semitism, and told him that the entire government stands behind him," Sharon told a cabinet meeting Sunday.

"I think Ambassador Mazel behaved in an appropriate way," he added."

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01-18-2004, 04:29 PM

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""I called our ambassador in Sweden Zvi Mazel last night and thanked him for his strength in dealing with increasing anti-Semitism, and told him that the entire government stands behind him," Sharon told a cabinet meeting Sunday.

So the Israeli artist is an anti-semite now?
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01-18-2004, 04:30 PM

yeah, i was going to begin sending you some design work.

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01-18-2004, 04:32 PM

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Does this mean I can walk in any museum and try and destroy any piece of art I feel controversial or I deem not worthy of being presented?

Yes it does...providing you are willing to pay whatever consequences that may follow your act of destruction. People make similar choices to destroy on a daily basis...even the destruction of life...nothing new about destruction.

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01-18-2004, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
lets turn the cards.

what would the world say if I set a Martin Luther King tribute exhibit on fire, and George Bush called to CONGRATULATE and THANK ME FOR IT, the way Sharon did his ambassador?

What would happen?

there really isnt a difference.

Hmmm... let me see - the woman in the exhibit killed 21 men, women and children in Israel, for no reason other than the fact that she had been brainwashed and they were Jews - I dont remember Martin Luther King killing anyone.

The Israelli ambassador reacted the way any person living with so much murder and tragedy in his homeland might have reacted - he snapped and for a moment lost his control, it was an honest reaction fueled by the actions of many in the world in which he lives.

Who knows how any of us would have reacted if we had to live with a daily dose of murder and death.

I certainly dont think that asking such a person to respect an art exhibit is a sane thing to do or to expect.
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01-18-2004, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Hooper
yeah, i was going to begin sending you some design work.

don't worry about it though, wouldnt want you to be corrupted by any of my jew money.

sad.

did you even bother reading the thread or would you rather be a dick and try and say I am anti-jew?

get a clue hooper.

if you are this kind of person, I really dont need your business man.

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01-18-2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by MetaMan

Jesus getting killed isnt a dipiction of violence u fucking tool.

Everything, especially art, is a matter of perception. To me, Christ on a cross means: 'Here's what will happen to you if you question authority'

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01-18-2004, 04:47 PM

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Who knows how any of us would have reacted if we had to live with a daily dose of murder and death.

What if it was a picture of Hitler floating in the water?

He killed a bunch of people and I have seen TONS of images if Hitler used in art, are you saying Jews are offended more by some Hamas bitch over Hitler?

I have never seen an AMBASSADOR to a country act this way over any art any other time, but somehow this is justified?

As I have said, I have seen art that has offended me, and I didnt freak out and crash the exhibit.

There is no justification for this.

This is like saying someone can be offended by Picasso's Guernica (i dont expect you to even know of the work or its meaning but for sake of example lets use Guernica)

so some idiot destroys Guernica for its depiction of trajedy, and its ok?

Try and think past the curve, I know its hard.

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01-18-2004, 04:48 PM

One of Picassos best pieces.

<img src=http://www.nosfermina.com/picassoguernica.gif border="1">

People cry in front of this painting daily, they dont destroy it. It has much more meaning than some picture floating in blood, but hey, I guess it doesnt offend the almighty ambassador.

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01-18-2004, 04:52 PM

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So the Israeli artist is an anti-semite now?

Well, technically arabs are semites too, they are considered anti-semites no?

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01-18-2004, 04:55 PM

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What if it was a picture of Hitler floating in the water?

He killed a bunch of people and I have seen TONS of images if Hitler used in art, are you saying Jews are offended more by some Hamas bitch over Hitler?

What if's aren't at issue - you brought up a particular example and in that example the wound was still very close to the surface.

Like I said, the man acted on his emotions - thats all - the fact that he got a call from his government for support only shows how tense this situation is.

What do you think would happen if there was an art exhibit in New York depicting the suffering of Bin Laden and his people - lets say this exhibit was a year or so ago - how do you think the average New Yorker would react and do you think George Bush might praise someone who perhaps reacted on his emotion and tried to throw a light at the art work or to even - heaven forbid - try to unplug it.

Do you really think that the so called artist did not anticipate the pain that such an exhibit would cause?
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01-18-2004, 04:55 PM

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Yes it does...providing you are willing to pay whatever consequences that may follow your act of destruction. People make similar choices to destroy on a daily basis...even the destruction of life...nothing new about destruction.

Ah, but no one was reprimanded, in fact he was congratulated by Sharon, and to quote"

"the entire government is behind him "

"I think Ambassador Mazel behaved in an appropriate way," he added."

So, do you think if it was someone else they would have been reprimanded? Or is throwing a spotlight onto the art not trying to destroy it engough?

he was not punished, he himself has been glorified for this event, not punished.

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01-18-2004, 04:56 PM

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What do you think would happen if...

what ifs dont count remember?

So its okay to act on your emotion when it involves the destruction of someone elses property?

This does not make sense.

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01-18-2004, 04:57 PM

I didnt need to read the article.

You said "these jews" when what you meant was an israelite politician.

Kinda like saying "Why do blacks always do dumb shit" when you are referring to an african politician.

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01-18-2004, 05:01 PM

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I didnt need to read the article.

my point proven.

make your assumptions and decisions, its sad to see program owners even begin to act this way.

I am not anti-semite, nor anti-jew, my post was meant just as I said... "THESE JEWS"

I didnt use it the way you use it here:

"Why do blacks always do dumb shit"

Did I say "all jews" or "the jews?"

no I singled them out as the ones who took part in this event.

But dont bother reading anything and try and make me look bad, its okay Hooper.

As I have said, its always people who dont even bother to read, and just blurp comments out that look ignorant, not the ones forming throughs and taking part in covnersations.

I spent years studying art, this topic interests me, if you choose to make it a "i choose to not do business with you thread" so be it, but thats all you.

I will admit I should have maybe said "Israeli" my apologies, but theres no need to get childish about it.

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01-18-2004, 05:02 PM

Who do these Jews think they are?

It couldn't of been who do these people think they are, ey Fletch.

It sad actually, for someone who thinks there so smart to group people into a class, especially when it comes to religion.

You of course put Jews in the thread article to get a certain reponse / # of posts..

You should remember those "jews" run most of this industry

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01-18-2004, 05:03 PM

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So its okay to act on your emotion when it involves the destruction of someone elses property?

This does not make sense.

I didn't say it was OK - I just said that is what happened.

Not making sense is a whole other issue.
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01-18-2004, 05:04 PM

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Who do these Jews think they are?

It couldn't of been who do these people think they are, ey Fletch.

It sad actually, for someone who thinks there so smart to group people into a class, especially when it comes to religion.

You of course put Jews in the thread article to get a certain reponse / # of posts..

You should remember those "jews" run most of this industry

Shalom

"Those jews" have nothing to do with me

this was about the "Ambassador to Sharon, and Sharon himself" I assumed they were both jews.

I actually did know most of the ISRAELI posters would take offense to my thread, this matters not to me.

So Todd, do you have any thoughts on the art? or do you blindly say the art was anti-semite and glorified suicide bombers?

I like to stay on topic.

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01-18-2004, 05:06 PM

since when did calling an Israeli a Jew become offensive?

hahaha

c/mon my jewish friends, comment on the topic not the bullshit semantics of the thread title.

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01-18-2004, 05:07 PM

It's hard to believe there are people in the porn industry who think that some political art should be censored because it offends them.

Ignorant.

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01-18-2004, 05:07 PM

no comments on my Guernica comparison?

man i guess i should start football threads instead, id be on page 4 by now!

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01-18-2004, 05:09 PM

Fletch,

Art wise I have no smarts, talen, etc at all. I can't tell a good painting from a bad one most of the time. Just don't have those kinds of gifts in my mind.

But I will tell you that I totally understand how the person was feeling after he saw that..

I am an American Jew, but I always will support Israel till the end of my days on earth, no question there.

Too many fucking fights as a kid when I was the fucking jew, or people drew racist shit, etc.

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01-18-2004, 05:13 PM

Mr. Fiction,

I total support freedom of speech and everything that goes with it.

I would never censor bad or not Politically Correct words, art, etc.

But, we must always stand up against something we feel is not right, weather it's art, politics, etc.

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01-18-2004, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by sextoyking
Fletch,

Art wise I have no smarts, talen, etc at all. I can't tell a good painting from a bad one most of the time. Just don't have those kinds of gifts in my mind.

But I will tell you that I totally understand how the person was feeling after he saw that..

I am an American Jew, but I always will support Israel till the end of my days on earth, no question there.

Too many fucking fights as a kid when I was the fucking jew, or people drew racist shit, etc.

I went to art school and studied art for more than 3 years.

Racism? try growing up in the south of this country.

It doesnt matter what the guy felt when he saw the art, THAT IS WHAT ART IS FOR!

As I said, should non spanish people get pissy and destroy Guernica? Its one of the most valued paintings in the fucking world, again I say, I dont expect any of you to even know of the work. I have driven 14 hours and c rossed multiple states to see Picasso work, so there may be a difference between you and I, but no matter what a person "feels" when they see art, they cannot simply destroy it.

I mean seriously, I have some Pagan friends who DESPISE christians more than you could ever hate Hitler.

Are you saying its justified for them to destroy DaVincis Last Suppoer?

You have to stop thinking in the box and look at it from another perspective, there IS ANOTHER CAMERA VIEW.

Art is supposed to bring about feelings, but that does not give you the right to destroy it.

I am from the Chalmette battle fields, wherre they re-enact thew war of 1812 and Battle of CHalmette daily, are you sauing Canadians and Brits should come there, freak out and destroy the exhibit?

Of course not, its historry, its an event, and its art.

Whether you can realize it or not, I am guessing some just dont have the eye for it, or the wisdom to accept it for what it is.

AND AGAIN, the work DID NOT GLORIFY SUICIDE BOMBERS.

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01-18-2004, 05:16 PM

I can see it as valid piece of art.

No matter what historical figure portrait was put in the boat.

Imagine.

Abe Lincoln in the boat.

For really abstract put Lensmans portrait in the boat.

There is no gray area when understanding art.
One either understands what art is or they don't.
Its as simple as that.

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01-18-2004, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by sextoyking
Mr. Fiction,

I total support freedom of speech and everything that goes with it.

I would never censor bad or not Politically Correct words, art, etc.

But, we must always stand up against something we feel is not right, weather it's art, politics, etc.

Ill tell you how you stand up against art that you feel offends you.

YOU DONT LOOK AT IT !!!!

The guy did what any child might do when he is angry. He threw something at it. Totally childish and as an ambassador , it makes him AND his whole country look stupid.
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