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  • SmokeyTheBear
    ►SouthOfHeaven
    • Jun 2004
    • 28609

    #1

    EPASSPORTE pay attention !!! <--

    Hopefully we can get one thread with some clear answers..

    let me start off by saying epassporte is a GREAT SERVICE.

    Far surpassing paypal in aspects such as

    ease-of-use
    transfer-costs
    useability

    We do realise you dont want to disclose all of your fraud techniques etc etc.

    We also realise you cant always disclose account details publicly.

    We also realise fraud does occur and this isn't new

    So you can skip the rhetoric when you reply.


    Heres is some of the problems i have/hear ...

    Recently you closed a sponsor account that was suspected of fraud, you also closed all the affiliates accounts and seized ALL money associated with these account ( and possibly from account that had anything to do with these account )

    Now i will propose yet again another few examples..

    Scammer1 starts a sponsor account to hide the fact he is running stolen credit card numbers.

    Scammer1 gets his buddy scammer2 and scammer3 to sign up with the sponsor ( him ) and run stolen credit cards through it , then he gets INNOCENT1 INNOCENT2 etc etc to also sign up for the sponsor so as not to make the credit card chargebacks suspicious..

    Now when epassporte finds this group they suspend everyone including innocent1 thru innocent50. How are these innocent people supposed to recoup the lost money..

    I realise its awfully hard to discern who is innocent and who is guilty , but it seems as it stands your treating everyone as guilty regardless. how do you propose on solving this problem more effeciently.


    Okay that is one question i have heard alot... Heres another i keep asking


    How as an epassporte user am i supposed to protect and/or recoup myself from fraud epassporte users..


    MrGullible own domain-r-us and sells domains.
    MrScammer has just loaded a fraud epassporte account and buys a domain from MrGullible

    epassporte catches MrScammer and takes back the money for the domain and seizes both accounts.

    Now MrGullible cant sell domains and he has lost all his money . How does MrGullible get his money back and how does he get his domain back ? And how will he be able to continue business not knowing from one day to another if his account will be open or closed ??

    SOLUTIONS TIME.. !!!!!!

    Heres a few simple solutions that could be modified.


    When a user sends or recieves money from an unknown/untrusted person sponsor, they could put the transfer in a protected status that ensures the transfer is legit.

    Maybe an extra 24 hours for the transfer to go thru to check and make sure its ok ( INSURED )

    just for unknown transfers , so as to protect yourself from giving away something that cannot be recouped.

    As it stands if you use epassporte at anytime your money could be seized and withheld for any length of time for reasons beyond the control of the user.. i.e. someone simply loads a fraud card and sends you money
    hatisblack at yahoo.com
  • brizzad
    holla
    • Jul 2003
    • 11769

    #2
    they stole $95 from me

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    • Doctor Dre
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jan 2001
      • 51692

      #3
      I will NOT use epasseport . EVER .

      I've already read bad things about them ... but this is just WORST
      Originally posted by rayadp05
      I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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      • SmokeyTheBear
        ►SouthOfHeaven
        • Jun 2004
        • 28609

        #4
        Originally posted by brizzad
        they stole $95 from me
        Yes but your a newbie russian you deserve it
        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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        • SmokeyTheBear
          ►SouthOfHeaven
          • Jun 2004
          • 28609

          #5
          Originally posted by Doctor Dre
          I will NOT use epasseport . EVER .

          I've already read bad things about them ... but this is just WORST
          Your also a russian , using canada as a front !! And your post count is too low to qualify a response...
          hatisblack at yahoo.com

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          • pornstar
            Registered User
            • Oct 2002
            • 64

            #6
            REALITY CASH FROM ADULT.COM

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            • ronbotx
              Registered User
              • Jan 2002
              • 1634

              #7
              Originally posted by brizzad
              they stole $95 from me
              Good... you seem to have no problem peddling pirated DVD's. I like it when thieves ripoff thieves.....

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              • Ar3s
                So Fucking Banned
                • Feb 2004
                • 4307

                #8
                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                Yes but your a newbie russian you deserve it
                LOL

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                • BlueQuartz
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2004
                  • 1971

                  #9
                  good call - you raise some really good points there



                  if epassporte did indeed keep all the money of every single of affilate(wether they did fraud or not) then that raises some preety serious concerns for all of us

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                  • raymor
                    Confirmed User
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 3745

                    #10
                    Indeed that would bee a big problem if they
                    closed the account of everyone who had ever
                    done busniness with the scammer, but I suspect
                    that's not the case. I suspect that you were TOLD
                    that was what happened, but I suspect that what really
                    happened was mpre along the lines that 5 accounts
                    were opened on the same same day. Account #1, later
                    determined to be a fraudster, sent money to the other 4 accounts.
                    None of the other 4 accounts ever did any other business
                    other than recieving money from the known fraud
                    account #1. Hence to all appearances all 5 accounts
                    are the same guy or group of guys.

                    I do like the suggestion of having the option,
                    when recieving money, to mark a transaction
                    with a hold. That is, to be able to say "I don't know this
                    guy, hold these particular funds until we know all is well.
                    Unfortunately credit card chargebacks can take months.
                    The customer gets their bill about a week after the end
                    of the month. Then they call their bank, who mails a form.
                    The defrauded credit card holder fills outthe form and
                    mails it back to the bank. By the time the bank recieves it,
                    it may well be 30 days after the inital charge.
                    Then their credit card bank has to notify ePassporte's
                    merchant bank, who has to go through their own procedures
                    and then notify ePassporte.
                    You can expect it to take a least 6-8 weeks for ePassporte to
                    know what the credit card load was charged back,
                    so you'd have to hold the funds for that long.
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                    • SmokeyTheBear
                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 28609

                      #11
                      Originally posted by raymor
                      Indeed that would bee a big problem if they
                      closed the account of everyone who had ever
                      done busniness with the scammer, but I suspect
                      that's not the case. I suspect that you were TOLD
                      that was what happened, but I suspect that what really
                      happened was mpre along the lines that 5 accounts
                      were opened on the same same day. Account #1, later
                      determined to be a fraudster, sent money to the other 4 accounts.
                      None of the other 4 accounts ever did any other business
                      other than recieving money from the known fraud
                      account #1. Hence to all appearances all 5 accounts
                      are the same guy or group of guys.

                      I do like the suggestion of having the option,
                      when recieving money, to mark a transaction
                      with a hold. That is, to be able to say "I don't know this
                      guy, hold these particular funds until we know all is well.
                      Unfortunately credit card chargebacks can take months.
                      The customer gets their bill about a week after the end
                      of the month. Then they call their bank, who mails a form.
                      The defrauded credit card holder fills outthe form and
                      mails it back to the bank. By the time the bank recieves it,
                      it may well be 30 days after the inital charge.
                      Then their credit card bank has to notify ePassporte's
                      merchant bank, who has to go through their own procedures
                      and then notify ePassporte.
                      You can expect it to take a least 6-8 weeks for ePassporte to
                      know what the credit card load was charged back,
                      so you'd have to hold the funds for that long.
                      well im not a damcash affiliate but from what i have heard in these threads they just axed everyone that had an account with damcash, even if the account was opened from cc or another sponsor.

                      My idea of authorizing funds was to make sure your own funds were not affected during a transaction from someone unknown..

                      Furthermore this idea could be implemented with INSURANCE so if the deal is with someone you have never done business with you pay an extra 1% to insure the transaction. If epassporte posted figures of 1:1000 accounts are fruad then epassporte could even make a little bit of extra money while at the same time insuring customers arent getting reamed up the bunghole.
                      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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