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well im sorry you think that cdsmith.
anyway, eros.
ive never stated its a GOOD thing, nor have i claimed its going to be anything but bad for the mom and pop companies like jenn, or even myself for that matter. youre absolutely correct.
im just saying its inevitable.
acacias claims apparently have enough merit that the BIG names are bending over. that leads me to believe that its just a matter of time til all the medium and small guys cave in. acacia just hasnt gotten around to them yet.
dont accuse me of defending them because i am NOT.
i think its awful that those fuckheads are now making money off the hard work of other people.
my ONLY assertion again is that its fucking inevitable.Comment
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jackassOriginally posted by woj
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If I believed your claims and your patent were bogus, I would fight you. End of story.Originally posted by nobull
ok...what if i told you that you needed to give me 2% of everything you made AND if you did not give me the the 2% there is a 50/50 change that i could take all the money in your bank account, what would you say? Keep in mind that you have a couple million in your bank account and worked your ass off for 5 years to build it. You spend a year paying a shitload of cash to try and fight me, try to find all the loop holes, try to get a gang together to take care of me, but i dont go away. I say to you, give me 1% and i'll make all this stop, no more pain in the ass, no more chance im going to take all your money....would you do it?Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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i think part of the problem is alot of these mid to big size programs like topbucks probably arent as well off as we think. All the visa crap, too much free porn, much tighter profit margins.
The guys that could have really fought it are hustler, who easily has more money than acacia. But they rather take the sweetheart and watch their competition fucked with.
welcome to the new adult net.Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.Comment
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I think Acacia's next quarterly report should be out around January 22nd
Should be interestingI post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
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I'm for fighting aginst this BS patent crap... but it's begining to look more and more like most companys have little chocie but to sign, because of the outragous legal fees..
maybe it's time we all start annoying the patent office a bit..let them know how they are fucking up the net.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Well Jim, what else am I to think? I'm just glad most webmasters, especially the ones actually fighting this extortion, don't think as negatively as you obviously do. According to you we are all beaten before we start, so why fight?Originally posted by jimthefiend
well im sorry you think that cdsmith.
anyway, eros.
ive never stated its a GOOD thing, nor have i claimed its going to be anything but bad for the mom and pop companies like jenn, or even myself for that matter. youre absolutely correct.
im just saying its inevitable.
acacias claims apparently have enough merit that the BIG names are bending over. that leads me to believe that its just a matter of time til all the medium and small guys cave in. acacia just hasnt gotten around to them yet.
dont accuse me of defending them because i am NOT.
i think its awful that those fuckheads are now making money off the hard work of other people.
my ONLY assertion again is that its fucking inevitable.
Jim, is anything worth fighting for in your world?
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on a related note and somewhat applicable
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Originally posted by CDSmith
Well Jim, what else am I to think? I'm just glad most webmasters, especially the ones actually fighting this extortion, don't think as negatively as you obviously do. According to you we are all beaten before we start, so why fight?
Jim, is anything worth fighting for in your world?
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its not negative thinking, its just facing reallity.
it was over when hustler bent over.
face it man.
one word: precedent.Comment
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Well Acacia is attempting to set themselves up to take on the bigger boys.. but I'll tell you, with Universities getting involved and whatnot, I would be stunned if Microsoft allows this whole patent thing to go very far.. especially since they have software that essentially puts them in the position of contributory infringement. Things are going to hit the fan sooner than everyone thinks with Acacia.. Sorry to see companies are still falling for their bullshit.Originally posted by crockett
I'm for fighting aginst this BS patent crap... but it's begining to look more and more like most companys have little chocie but to sign, because of the outragous legal fees..
maybe it's time we all start annoying the patent office a bit..let them know how they are fucking up the net.Comment
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what are you guys gonna do now?Comment
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I DO believe their claims and patents ARE bogus, but you can not mix personal emotion with facts and risk....the fact is they would risk everything if they fought.Originally posted by CDSmith
If I believed your claims and your patent were bogus, I would fight you. End of story.Comment
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Hustler signed but that doesn't mean shit.. It does NOTHING to validate Acacia's patents (which are a load of BS, and prior art is all over the place). It simply means that was a business decision they made. The only REAL precidents would be if Acacia actually had a legitimate court win, which they have not.Originally posted by jimthefiend
its not negative thinking, its just facing reallity.
it was over when hustler bent over.
face it man.
one word: precedent.Comment
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Originally posted by LadyMischief
if Microsoft allows this whole patent thing to go very far..
you dont think microsoft and acacia are already in talks?
lolComment
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precedent doesn't really come into this - it's patent law. one single piece of prior art invalidates the entire patent.
remember their v-chip patent - EVERY tv manufacturer rolled over till there were three left. and those three invalidated the entire patent.
topbucks has the right to make their own business decisions, but i wish they would have at least held out on signing till after the next quarterly stock report. as it is, they are validating acacia in the eyes of stockholders and other companies being told to license.
Originally posted by jimthefiend
its not negative thinking, its just facing reallity.
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The thing people keep forgeting is what are all these companies going to do when the next patent comes up, then the next one and then another one. The problem is lawyers are giving advice based on this patent like its the only one out there thats going to come after web businesses and its not. If you dont think others with patents arent sitting watching this play out your crazyl.Last edited by tony286; 01-12-2004, 07:15 AM.Comment
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the fact that they arent HAVING to go to court only cements their position lady mOriginally posted by LadyMischief
...if Acacia actually had a legitimate court win, which they have not.
surely you see that?Comment
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You just hit the nail on the head. Now the question is will Top Bucks still support the fight?Originally posted by nobull
ok...what if i told you that you needed to give me 2% of everything you made AND if you did not give me the the 2% there is a 50/50 change that i could take all the money in your bank account, what would you say? Keep in mind that you have a couple million in your bank account and worked your ass off for 5 years to build it. You spend a year paying a shitload of cash to try and fight me, try to find all the loop holes, try to get a gang together to take care of me, but i dont go away. I say to you, give me 1% and i'll make all this stop, no more pain in the ass, no more chance im going to take all your money....would you do it?
If Acacia win then there will be no need for TGPs, if the number of paysites with video is reduced by 50% there might be, but this as has been pointd out could mean a cut of 80%. Then search engines and a few feeder sites will do the job, no more webmasters, no more big expenses.
But a sad day. Why did they not wait a month for the hearing?Comment
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"face it man"... "trust me it's over" blah blah blahOriginally posted by jimthefiend
its not negative thinking, its just facing reallity.
it was over when hustler bent over.
face it man.
one word: precedent.
Jim, your attitude sickens me. YOU face it. Me, I can't fucking stand this kind of negative thinking. I don't know how anyone can run a business thinking that way.
Like I said, it's a damn good thing not all webmasters think like you. I'll "face it" like you say when the fight is actually done and over with. Until then you can shove your negativity where the fucking sun don't shine.
I'm actually pretty surprised by your 'tude on this, I would have thought you'd be more of a fighter than one resigned to defeat. Guess I was wrong.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Actually, it still does NOTHING to prove the validity of their patents, and the fact that their patents have been invalidated in Europe, are already illegal in Canada, etc tell me that they are on the quick path to getting shafted themselves.Originally posted by jimthefiend
the fact that they arent HAVING to go to court only cements their position lady m
surely you see that?Comment
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Agree completely EB.Originally posted by EscortBiz
A patent attorney?
A business lawyer would say sure do it considering the small amount it costs, but most if not all "high tech" patent attornies who has seen 1000's of these in the past 5 years I highly doubt would tell you anything more then throw the papers in the trash.
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Tell me more about the "illegal in Canada" part. I hadn't heard anything about that decision.Originally posted by LadyMischief
Actually, it still does NOTHING to prove the validity of their patents, and the fact that their patents have been invalidated in Europe, are already illegal in Canada, etc tell me that they are on the quick path to getting shafted themselves.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Which I have the patent on. I want 4% of your sig spots but if you settle now like a good little bitch we'll make it 1% and forgive all your previous posts in this or other LONGGGGGGG threads.Originally posted by Trax
i forsee a LONGGGGGGG thread
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Originally posted by CDSmith
I'm actually pretty surprised by your 'tude on this, I would have thought you'd be more of a fighter than one resigned to defeat. Guess I was wrong.
dude, ive been watching people let acacia butt fuck them without even a reach around for months. when youve got people like hustler bowing down, and even big names in the fucking PATENT FIGHT caving in, what attitude would you expect an observer to have?
im just analyzing the trend thats developing man.Comment
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but they ARE having to go to court. what made you think otherwise?
btw, acacia's patent and the noise being made is one of the patents that caused the ftp to announce last year that they are now working to make it much easier and cheaper to challenge an existing patent.
Originally posted by jimthefiend
the fact that they arent HAVING to go to court only cements their position lady m
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Paul, that was my next question, would they still support the fight? I'm sure that they were forced to sign some sort of agreement that they were in full agreement with the patent. Q -- any comment on this?Originally posted by charly
You just hit the nail on the head. Now the question is will Top Bucks still support the fight?
If Acacia win then there will be no need for TGPs, if the number of paysites with video is reduced by 50% there might be, but this as has been pointd out could mean a cut of 80%. Then search engines and a few feeder sites will do the job, no more webmasters, no more big expenses.
But a sad day. Why did they not wait a month for the hearing?Comment
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Due to our laws on technological patents, Acacia can't even legally hold it's patents here. They are too broad and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. They don't have their patents here, never have, and never could even if they wanted to.Originally posted by CDSmith
Tell me more about the "illegal in Canada" part. I hadn't heard anything about that decision.Comment
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The way i see it, in the bigger picture, Acacia's DMT patent will be found to be invalid... from the current 10 defendants waiting for their first day in court on Feb 6th... or to the alternate reality that some believe, that the defendants all settle.. but then a large mainstream company like M$ or a university will invalidate the patent.
Whichever reality you choose, the outcome will be the same... that the patent claims will be found to be invalid.
Looking at how this relates to the adult industry.. there is going to be a shift in the definition of what an "industry leader" means.
Rather than meaning a company who's business practices set an example to all and look to act in the best interests of the adult industry (including competitors), rather than just for themselves to an "industry leader" as someone who is making lots of money by having market dominance.
All of the smaller players should look at all of this as being competitive roadblocks..... the larger companies will get larger, and the smaller companies will be consolidated, rolled up, or become unprofitable.
Maybe people were put into a false sense of community with the various message boards where webmasters congregated to talk about business and other issues.
What is becoming apparent is that it's all about biz...and there is no community, and there is no "industry leaders" in the old sense of the definition.
Welcome to the new economy within the Adult Industry...times are-a-changin'.
What's the solution? Smaller companies could band together with larger companies that do see a need to watch after industry-wide issues by becoming members of the IMPA.
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Why should Topbucks continue to support the fight when most webmasters havent thrown in $25 . lolComment
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I think many of these companies haven't been involved with heavy duty lawsuits and are just figuring lets not chance it.
Most lawsuits are settled out of court. In fact, I don't recall the latest figure, but its over 90%. Most times you can settle for pennies on the dollars. Even if you do go to court you can appeal and stretch the damn thing out for years using various legal maneuvers and tactics. Even if after all that they win then they have to collect which is another process.
I had one idiot that sued me along with a major wall st. firm over a deal that the wall st. firm fucked up and everyone involved in any way got brought into it. The guy wanted $90,000 in his demands from our end of the deal. Never even had to go to court and one of my corporate attornys settled it for only $5K. The wall st. firm he was trying to play games with for millions ended up settling for a mere $50K. End of story. If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
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Very true, after all the expenses have been paid out, did they have enough to fight. You can bet your last dollar that Fish & (I forgot) would never had said anything but this can be won. They have lost a customer as well.Originally posted by rooster
i think part of the problem is alot of these mid to big size programs like topbucks probably arent as well off as we think. All the visa crap, too much free porn, much tighter profit margins.
The guys that could have really fought it are hustler, who easily has more money than acacia. But they rather take the sweetheart and watch their competition fucked with.
welcome to the new adult net.Comment
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Originally posted by basschick
but they ARE having to go to court. what made you think otherwise?
who has insisted it be brought before a judge to be ruled on?
hustler?
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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Well Acacia is attempting to set themselves up to take on the bigger boys.. but I'll tell you, with Universities getting involved and whatnot, I would be stunned if Microsoft allows this whole patent thing to go very far.. especially since they have software that essentially puts them in the position of contributory infringement. Things are going to hit the fan sooner than everyone thinks with Acacia.. Sorry to see companies are still falling for their bullshit.
yea I agree with you as I think it's all BS but as someone that knows how fast a business can go under because of BS lawsuits.. In America you have to prove you arn't the one in violation, which can be a very costly venture..
But in all honestly no matter how big the company is, no one except the owners and the book keepers know if they have the money to fight. At least Top Bucks tried to fight fo awhile, but only they know when enough is enough.
I know personally I would have to leave this biz if they came after me, I don't have the money to fight them and I'm too hardheaded to sign a deal with the fuckers... so I would have to shut down my server untill it's settled.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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TopBucks I salute you and respect you.
It all comes down to dollars and cents - not b.s. posts on a webmaster board (expecially by people that the licensing doesn't effect anyway)
I think it's ridiculous some of the crap that's been said about people that decided to stay in business, and allow you all to stay in business as affiliates by signing this agreement, whether they agree to it or not. one of the reasons they are successful companies is because they make wise business decisions. Not that the hold outs aren't 1. successful or 2. wise. It's a matter of what you're ready to go through and spend - it's not just money, it's stress, time, AND money. The time and the stress affect not just your business life, but your family life too. I think the group fighting the patent is even more admirable for having the gumption to go through the whole procedure.
I think to save your child RIGHT NOW, you'll pay blackmail even though it isn't 'right' and THEN go after the kidnapper.
child =your business
blackmail = licensing fee
kidnapper = patent holder
I'm probably going to have to sign it too. And I didn't spend one dime trying to fight it - because no lawyer would touch the case for what I could afford to pay vs. what the fees are for me.
But, If I said I was going to fight this instead of sign - that means you all would jump right on my affiliate program and just sell the shit out of things so I could afford to defend myself?
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I would take you a lot more seriously if your banner was not one of the licensees.Originally posted by tony404
The thing people keep forgeting is what are all these companies going to do when the next patent comes up, then the next one and then another one. The problem is lawyers are giving advice based on this patent like its the only one out there thats going to come after web businesses and its not. If you dont think others with patents arent sitting watching this play out your crazyl.Comment
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Doesn't mean anything.. They hold a patent, yes, and therefore they have the right to enforce that patent for as long as it exists. That does IN NO WAY reflect on the validity of the patent itself, and THAT issue is going to be addressed this year.Originally posted by jimthefiend
who has insisted it be brought before a judge to be ruled on?
hustler?
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Originally posted by Gramma
I think the group fighting the patent is even more admirable for having the gumption to go through the whole procedure.
I think to save your child RIGHT NOW, you'll pay blackmail even though it isn't 'right' and THEN go after the kidnapper.
child =your business
blackmail = licensing fee
kidnapper = patent holder
Great analogy and commentary!
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united states law.
if acacia didn't show, they'd lose by default.
btw, have you looked at who fish and richardson are? go to their site and look around. i wasn't expecting to be impressed, but i was.
Originally posted by jimthefiend
who has insisted it be brought before a judge to be ruled on?
hustler?
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Originally posted by LadyMischief
That does IN NO WAY reflect on the validity of the patent itself, and THAT issue is going to be addressed this year.
that wont mean a god damned thing r.e. those that have already signedComment
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This is very interesting....
I wonder what kind of deal they cut with Acacia and for what?
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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Great analogy and commentary!
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As far as I know you can't force someone to pay royalties on a patent that doesn't exist. If the patent is invalidated, Acacia won't be able to collect on it any longer, will they? Nor will they have grounds to sue anyone else, either. As far as recovering the money these companies have paid out to date, I have no idea, but I'm sure they will be SOL.Originally posted by jimthefiend
that wont mean a god damned thing r.e. those that have already signedComment
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And you have a licensees banner up on your posts?Originally posted by tony404
Why should Topbucks continue to support the fight when most webmasters havent thrown in $25 . lol
Very good points, webmasters are good a rhetoric, but very poor on giving $$$ to a good cause. So many said they could not afford it, but how many of those were in Vegas?Comment
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Three years in law school and this guy thinks a settlement establishes precedent?Comment
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ACACIA looks like the new owner of adult business ....
They are making "elite" group of sponsors and threat webmasters if they are not going to use the group they have to pay fees... This is the main "business decision" all signed sponsors talk about , that I see ..
Someone will go to jail at the end ..
I want to see them coming here to Amsterdam court .. This is will be very funny .Comment
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Originally posted by basschick
united states law.
if acacia didn't show, they'd lose by default.
what are you talking about?
you dont think acacia is prepared to show up in court to pursue this?
*sigh*
thats irrelevant, what IS relevant is that no one is fighting it in court. they are SIGNING. that means several things:
#1 it encourages others to do so
#2 it lends the whole cluster fuck credibilty it might not have otherwise.
#3 it will give acacia PLENTY of fucking ammo when and if it actually DOES get litigated
#4 it puts money in acacias pocket, and guess how theyll USE IT?
#5 and perhaps most importantly, as ive mentioned, its giving the impression that the claims have merit in the first place.Comment
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