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  • SomeCreep
    :glugglug
    • Mar 2003
    • 26118
    #251
    Originally posted by p1mpdogg


    he had a point in that comment?

    Just because someone settles with someone else that is sueing them over some bullshit, that means they are supporting them?
    Yes, you came to an agreement with Acacia that allowed you and your company to become allies, as opposed to enemies. Now any affiliates pushing your program are automatically allies of Acacia as well. As you probably already know, we webmasters HATE Acacia.

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      • p1mpdogg
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Nov 2002
        • 16714
        #252
        Originally posted by 4Pics


        Not to change subjects, but do you still use the Reboom affiliate software?
        we bought the 1st version of it, and it is completely customized. Its not even really the same software anymore, but made for a great base to build from
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          • AcidMax
            Confirmed User
            • May 2002
            • 1827
            #253
            Originally posted by Wizzo


            Without Affiliates, what good is a affiliate program?
            I dont promote you guys but I guess my concerns would be:

            If you do pay Acacia their cut, are you going to be able to eat that money yourselves and not reduce the pay of your affiliates?
            Maybe you don't shave now, but is that something in the future because now you have an extra percentage of overhead? Don't you think this is a waste of money if the patent does get overturned, I mean do you guys honestly feel you will get money back for bogus contracts and monies paid?

            You guys keep saying that this is a business decision and you made the business decision, well in a sense affiliates are "partners" in your business. Without them you are nothing, yet did any of your affiliates get questioned if they wanted to take the risk, or fight for your company? Instead you assumed you made the right decisions based on your feelings and ideas vs. what your affiliates want. Why not just talk to your affiliates and have them all chip in $1 of each sale to go to IMPA to fight the patent? There are other ways to accomplish the same goal but the attitude that you truly did this just because of your affiliates is pure BS. Whether someone boycotts you guys or not its their decision and I'm in no way bashing your or your business practices, I just think the attitude of "We did this for you!" is completely wrong.
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              • Carrie
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2002
                • 3162
                #254
                Originally posted by Vick
                All this discussion of affiliates being protected .....

                I'd really like to have a competent, impartial attorney who is familiar with the case and Acacia and has review the agreements stating that instead of companies who licensed with Acacia

                Acacia has a very interesting way of presenting things

                If you remember Berman on the radio said Acacia wouldn't double dip when in fact Acacia is trying to triple dip (at least from my perspective)
                Most definitely.
                They are doing exactly what Berman said they would *not* do... they are going after the content producers, the sponsors who use the content, and the webmasters who link to the sponsors (or use their own bought content to link to sponsors).

                Triple dipping.

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                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                    best designer on GFY
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 30307
                    #255
                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                    why is that important? its not like its your money.

                    what we paid them was part of the contract to protect us and our affiliates. If I have to spend thousands to stay in business and continue paying out what we do to affiliates, I guess I will have to bite the bullet right?

                    or i suppose I could take your stupid advice and just ignore it and get sued, and spend thousands more on my defense? yea real logical from a business standpoint. brilliant.
                    Truth is you could have decided to fight and remain in business for the long term. Why are those that decided to fight still in business?

                    Come judgement day the folks that fight this shit will be winnners.
                    You wont be in the victory circle bro
                    I hate this kinda thing I really do in the deepest of my heart. These are things that make us agree and disagree and ultimatly decide where a stand is taken. Thats what separates people as a whole.

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                      • funkmaster
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Sep 2001
                        • 7938
                        #256
                        Originally posted by p1mpdogg

                        fo shizzle
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                          • p1mpdogg
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 16714
                            #257
                            Originally posted by SomeCreep

                            Yes, you came to an agreement with Acacia that allowed you and your company to become allies, as opposed to enemies. Now any affiliates pushing your program are automatically allies of Acacia as well. As you probably already know, we webmasters HATE Acacia.
                            are you reading what you are typing?

                            sometimes in business we make choices that we dont like, but thats what it is, a business decission.

                            so because we settled we are now allies?

                            fuck acacia, its total bullshit. But rather than spend all this money on fighting it, we chose to continue with business as usual and make affiliates money. what do you not understand about this?

                            do you run a business?

                            If you are so heroic, why dont you fight them and let me know how it works out for you.

                            Im not here to make a fassion statement, I am here to make money.

                            fuck all of you that are here for any other reason.
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                              • JSA Matt
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 5464
                                #258
                                Originally posted by funkmaster
                                proggy
                                lol, I havn't heard that word in years.

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                                  • stocktrader23
                                    Let's do some business.
                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 18781
                                    #259
                                    Originally posted by Carrie

                                    Wow, Stocktrader and I agree on something.

                                    Wizzo, you're a great guy. The company you work for however, made the wrong decision in *my* opinion. You guys just helped open the door to more lawsuits and licenses and helped fund it all.
                                    USA Video has already stated publically that the list of Acacia licensees will be their first stop when they turn to adult. You guys on the list have set a precedent that you roll over easily.
                                    Whoa shit!

                                    ....back to the drawing board.


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                                      • Chris
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • May 2003
                                        • 27880
                                        #260
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                                          • p1mpdogg
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Nov 2002
                                            • 16714
                                            #261
                                            Originally posted by AcidMax


                                            I dont promote you guys but I guess my concerns would be:

                                            If you do pay Acacia their cut, are you going to be able to eat that money yourselves and not reduce the pay of your affiliates?
                                            Maybe you don't shave now, but is that something in the future because now you have an extra percentage of overhead? Don't you think this is a waste of money if the patent does get overturned, I mean do you guys honestly feel you will get money back for bogus contracts and monies paid?

                                            You guys keep saying that this is a business decision and you made the business decision, well in a sense affiliates are "partners" in your business. Without them you are nothing, yet did any of your affiliates get questioned if they wanted to take the risk, or fight for your company? Instead you assumed you made the right decisions based on your feelings and ideas vs. what your affiliates want. Why not just talk to your affiliates and have them all chip in $1 of each sale to go to IMPA to fight the patent? There are other ways to accomplish the same goal but the attitude that you truly did this just because of your affiliates is pure BS. Whether someone boycotts you guys or not its their decision and I'm in no way bashing your or your business practices, I just think the attitude of "We did this for you!" is completely wrong.

                                            ok, so you want me to send out 5k newsletters and ask for input from everyone on how we should run our business?

                                            there are a few hundred webmaster programs out there, If you are not happy with the one you are with for the decissions they make, promote someone else. its really that simple.

                                            and somehow you are relating what we pay acacia to us shaving?

                                            I wont even reply to that ignorant comment.

                                            we did this for US and our affiliates. The fact is and still remains that our affiliates cant be touched.

                                            talk all the shit you want about how we might word some of our posts. but the fact still remains, that epiccash affiliates are immune.
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                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                best designer on GFY
                                                • Mar 2003
                                                • 30307
                                                #262
                                                "Im not here to make a fassion statement, I am here to make money."

                                                You insult even the most succesful people in this industry.
                                                Thats a bummer as well.

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                                                  • CDSmith
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • May 2001
                                                    • 51460
                                                    #263
                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                    or i suppose I could take your stupid advice and just ignore it and get sued, and spend thousands more on my defense? yea real logical from a business standpoint. brilliant.
                                                    But you didn't even try. Trust me when I say that there are other companies like yours that are forcing Acacia to sue them by sitting tight. Acacia then has to "spend thousands" to initiate action...... they are trying this BS on hundreds and hundreds of companies, do you think they can afford to sue them all? Get real. By selling out you help nothing, not even yourself in the long run.



                                                    And Trey, a thread like this can't have come as a big surprise to you. I'm not sure why you're on here telling people to "get fucked" etc, I mean really... at the time you first decided to settle you must have known somewhere in your mind that there was bound to be a backlash about it.

                                                    And, trust me on this one as well..... the companies that DO fight and DO manage to invalidate this patent are going to be raved about as heroes for years to come. Yours however.....
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                                                      • stocktrader23
                                                        Let's do some business.
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 18781
                                                        #264
                                                        Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                        "Im not here to make a fassion statement, I am here to make money."

                                                        You insult even the most succesful people in this industry.
                                                        Thats a bummer as well.
                                                        I insult lots of people. I also filled several design orders this week without a problem or a pissing match. Lighten up, it's a message board and it's called Go Fuck Yourself.


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                                                          • Chris
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                                                            • May 2003
                                                            • 27880
                                                            #265
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                                                              • funkmaster
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                • 7938
                                                                #266
                                                                Originally posted by JupZChris
                                                                EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY EPIC CASH IS SEXY
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                                                                  • JSA Matt
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                    • 5464
                                                                    #267
                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                    promote someone else. its really that simple.
                                                                    'nuff said. why is this thread still going?

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                                                                      • stocktrader23
                                                                        Let's do some business.
                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 18781
                                                                        #268
                                                                        Originally posted by JSA Matt


                                                                        'nuff said. why is this thread still going?
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                                                                          • [Brian]
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Mar 2001
                                                                            • 1523
                                                                            #269
                                                                            Originally posted by JSA Matt


                                                                            'nuff said. why is this thread still going?
                                                                            because it's either post in here or be subjected to all the other threads full of dumb internext pics

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                                                                              • p1mpdogg
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                • 16714
                                                                                #270
                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                But you didn't even try. Trust me when I say that there are other companies like yours that are forcing Acacia to sue them by sitting tight. Acacia then has to "spend thousands" to initiate action...... they are trying this BS on hundreds and hundreds of companies, do you think they can afford to sue them all? Get real. By selling out you help nothing, not even yourself in the long run.



                                                                                And Trey, a thread like this can't have come as a big surprise to you. I'm not sure why you're on here telling people to "get fucked" etc, I mean really... at the time you first decided to settle you must have known somewhere in your mind that there was bound to be a backlash about it.

                                                                                And, trust me on this one as well..... the companies that DO fight and DO manage to invalidate this patent are going to be raved about as heroes for years to come. Yours however.....
                                                                                you think this thread has me worried about anything?

                                                                                you are just typing the same shit thats been typed for months on the subject.

                                                                                If its popularity I was seeking, I would kiss everyones ass. I deal with the smart ones that want to make money, and can put the BS aside.

                                                                                If you choose to not promote me because I 'sold out' then you are the idiot. We pay and convert well. thats all affiliates should give a fuck about.

                                                                                your heroic attitude is admirable, but get real. when the pressure is on, you would fold like a 2 dollar whore.
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                                                                                  • roscoe98
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                                    • 689
                                                                                    #271
                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg




                                                                                    talk all the shit you want about how we might word some of our posts. but the fact still remains, that epiccash affiliates are immune.

                                                                                    This is true if affilates only promote you correct?

                                                                                    If they promote any other programs that acacia has no deal with then that statment is for shit right?

                                                                                    So is this a way of promoting your program down the line, telling webmasters they are safe?

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                                                                                      • SomeCreep
                                                                                        :glugglug
                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 26118
                                                                                        #272
                                                                                        Originally posted by p1mpdogg

                                                                                        sometimes in business we make choices that we dont like, but thats what it is, a business decission.

                                                                                        so because we settled we are now allies?

                                                                                        fuck acacia, its total bullshit. But rather than spend all this money on fighting it, we chose to continue with business as usual and make affiliates money. what do you not understand about this?

                                                                                        do you run a business?

                                                                                        If you are so heroic, why dont you fight them and let me know how it works out for you.
                                                                                        It is you that is not understanding. My point is that you have made a decision that has effected all of your affiliates. Whether you wish to say "we settled but we hate acacia" or "we settled and we love acacia" is irrelevant. It is your actions of choosing not to fight which reflects on all your affiliates. Now if affiliates push your program, they have also chosen to give up on fighting Acacia and just settle.

                                                                                        I am not debating whether this was a good business decision or not, or what I would do in your place. I am showing that AsylumN made a good point when he said:

                                                                                        Originally posted by AsylumN
                                                                                        if we support programs who support Acacia, arent we in turn supporting Acacia as well?

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                                                                                          • AcidMax
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                            • 1827
                                                                                            #273
                                                                                            Originally posted by p1mpdogg



                                                                                            ok, so you want me to send out 5k newsletters and ask for input from everyone on how we should run our business?

                                                                                            there are a few hundred webmaster programs out there, If you are not happy with the one you are with for the decissions they make, promote someone else. its really that simple.

                                                                                            and somehow you are relating what we pay acacia to us shaving?

                                                                                            I wont even reply to that ignorant comment.

                                                                                            we did this for US and our affiliates. The fact is and still remains that our affiliates cant be touched.

                                                                                            talk all the shit you want about how we might word some of our posts. but the fact still remains, that epiccash affiliates are immune.
                                                                                            Do you have to respond to everyone with an attitude? I don't think my post had an attitude at all, nor do I think the comments I made should be labeled as ignorant.

                                                                                            No one said you were shaving, I was simply trying to make a point about increase overhead due to paying off Acacia, but instead of you responding like a business man and re-assuring your affiliates that wouldn't happen you just say my comment was ignorant.

                                                                                            And how many of your affiliates ONLY promote your program? So they cannot be touched through your sites..woopie, that doesn't do anything for the business as a whole. Those same affiliates could still be liable through other programs, granted that is not your concern, but YOUR affiliates CAN still be touched and sued. What would be better for the affiliates is fighting the patent so that all affiliates off yours that also promote other programs are not liable.

                                                                                            Re: sending out 5k emails , who suggested that? Again my comments were geared toward "We did this for the webmasters" yet they had no say in it.

                                                                                            Good luck with your program.
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                                                                                              • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                • 16714
                                                                                                #274
                                                                                                Originally posted by AcidMax


                                                                                                Do you have to respond to everyone with an attitude? I don't think my post had an attitude at all, nor do I think the comments I made should be labeled as ignorant.

                                                                                                No one said you were shaving, I was simply trying to make a point about increase overhead due to paying off Acacia, but instead of you responding like a business man and re-assuring your affiliates that wouldn't happen you just say my comment was ignorant.

                                                                                                And how many of your affiliates ONLY promote your program? So they cannot be touched through your sites..woopie, that doesn't do anything for the business as a whole. Those same affiliates could still be liable through other programs, granted that is not your concern, but YOUR affiliates CAN still be touched and sued. What would be better for the affiliates is fighting the patent so that all affiliates off yours that also promote other programs are not liable.

                                                                                                Re: sending out 5k emails , who suggested that? Again my comments were geared toward "We did this for the webmasters" yet they had no say in it.

                                                                                                Good luck with your program.
                                                                                                we did this to PROTECT our webmasters and our asses.

                                                                                                what about that do YOU not understand? I have the contract here. you dont.
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                                                                                                  • CDSmith
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                    • 51460
                                                                                                    #275
                                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                    If you choose to not promote me because I 'sold out' then you are the idiot. We pay and convert well. thats all affiliates should give a fuck about.
                                                                                                    Really, no need to get all defensive with me. I'm not attacking you, I'm merely trying to discuss this with you and put a few other points across. And I have plenty of sponsors that convert well and make me money, none of which are on the list. As I said, many are sitting tight and forcing Acacia to put up or shut up.
                                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                    your heroic attitude is admirable, but get real. when the pressure is on, you would fold like a 2 dollar whore.
                                                                                                    Is that what you did?



                                                                                                    Brother, all I can say is you don't know me very well. I've BEEN taken to court before, chose to fight not settle, and won. I've had charges laid against me, chose to fight them, and WON. Put me through hell but I'm a better man for it today. I would rather spend 30 grand on a defence than see some vulture-extortionists walk off with my hard-earned money. After I won I would sue for recompensation of legal costs, duress, financial hardship or anything else my lawyer could dream up.

                                                                                                    All I'm saying is it's better to throw in with those who are fighting rather than folding "like a 2 dollar whore" and making the overall fight that much harder.
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                                                                                                      • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                        • 16714
                                                                                                        #276
                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                        Is that what you did?



                                                                                                        Brother, all I can say is you don't know me very well. I've BEEN taken to court before, chose to fight not settle, and won. I've had charges laid against me, chose to fight them, and WON. Put me through hell but I'm a better man for it today. I would rather spend 30 grand on a defence than see some vulture-extortionists walk off with my hard-earned money. After I won I would sue for recompensation of legal costs, duress, financial hardship or anything else my lawyer could dream up.

                                                                                                        All I'm saying is it's better to throw in with those who are fighting rather than folding "like a 2 dollar whore" and making the overall fight that much harder.
                                                                                                        your perspective on this isnt even valid, because you do not run a program. you didnt have to deal with this shit, you havent seen the numbers. you didnt have to pay a fucking lawyer to work the best deal he could. You arent being sued. Try looking at this like your wallet is at stake here, and not just someone sitting on the sidelines making play calls like its a football game.
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                                                                                                          • notjoe
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                                            • 5599
                                                                                                            #277
                                                                                                            Originally posted by PMdave
                                                                                                            ok. so cecash is on the list...
                                                                                                            Should we stop using ARS now? ARS is using CEmags on their exits, so ARS is supporting accacia aswell now? Fight accacia, don't fight each other.
                                                                                                            There is a huge difference, ARS didnt sign.

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                                                                                                              • Lickshots
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                • 271
                                                                                                                #278
                                                                                                                Originally posted by PMdave
                                                                                                                what are you guys with the "links pulled" posts trying top reach? Proving you are a man? In my eyes you are only saying "well actually I don't make any money anyway, so I could aswell get the links removed"
                                                                                                                Exactly you don't see me pullin my damn links from EC. And even if I wasn't making any money, I still wouldn't. A lot of the crap posted is fuckin childish and everyone needs to grow the fuck up!

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                                                                                                                  • Lickshots
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                    • 271
                                                                                                                    #279
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by notjoe


                                                                                                                    There is a huge difference, ARS didnt sign.
                                                                                                                    Well for one you wouldn't see ARS, because ARS doesn't own any of the sites.

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                                                                                                                      • CDSmith
                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                                                        • 51460
                                                                                                                        #280
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                        your perspective on this isnt even valid, because you do not run a program. you didnt have to deal with this shit, you havent seen the numbers. you didnt have to pay a fucking lawyer to work the best deal he could. You arent being sued. Try looking at this like your wallet is at stake here, and not just someone sitting on the sidelines making play calls like its a football game.
                                                                                                                        Again you're off the mark. You must have missed the part of my earlier post in this thread where I said "this business is my livelihood" and that I have made my living from my online ventures for nearly 5 years now, longer than your program has been in existance. More than twice as long actually. The second the IMPA's paypal link went up, I sent a donation. Why? Because my "wallet" IS in fact on the line. I have over 40 sponsors, if they were to all lose and be put under the hardship of having to pay multiple patent fees they would certainly have to cut my paycheck down.

                                                                                                                        Bro, we are all in this together. There is no room for squirming here. I am "the affiliate", you are "the program owner"..... big deal. Guys like me are no less an important component in the food chain than you. If you don't know that already, there is yet another reason not to promote you. Do you really not know that?
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                                                                                                                          • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                            • 9820
                                                                                                                            #281
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Wizzo


                                                                                                                            I've some stupid stuff, but EpicCash shaving... Come the fuck on, that's a stretch...
                                                                                                                            your right,
                                                                                                                            they don't sdhave probably...THEY JUST DON'T CONVERT FOR SHIT!
                                                                                                                            ;-))

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                                                                                                                              • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                • 16714
                                                                                                                                #282
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                Again you're off the mark. You must have missed the part of my earlier post in this thread where I said "this business is my livelihood" and that I have made my living from my online ventures for nearly 5 years now, longer than your program has been in existance. More than twice as long actually. The second the IMPA's paypal link went up, I sent a donation. Why? Because my "wallet" IS in fact on the line. I have over 40 sponsors, if they were to all lose and be put under the hardship of having to pay multiple patent fees they would certainly have to cut my paycheck down.

                                                                                                                                Bro, we are all in this together. There is no room for squirming here. I am "the affiliate", you are "the program owner"..... big deal. Guys like me are no less an important component in the food chain than you. If you don't know that already, there is yet another reason not to promote you. Do you really not know that?
                                                                                                                                I have been doing this since 97. not that it matters.

                                                                                                                                and you dont promote me anyways, so why is it even an issue? Dont worry about what I know, Im obviously doing something right, but I wont get into pissing match with you over my success.

                                                                                                                                I am not your bro, you are twisting this shit around like I sold everyone out. when in fact its the complete opposite.
                                                                                                                                A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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                                                                                                                                  • notjoe
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 5599
                                                                                                                                    #283
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                                                                                                                                    your perspective on this isnt even valid, because you do not run a program. you didnt have to deal with this shit, you havent seen the numbers. you didnt have to pay a fucking lawyer to work the best deal he could. You arent being sued. Try looking at this like your wallet is at stake here, and not just someone sitting on the sidelines making play calls like its a football game.
                                                                                                                                    So, do you have to open the books up to them? If you do isnt it possible that they will see all your affiliate data? Im sure they would want to see everyone and the numbers they're doing which should produce the overall numbers you try to feed them.

                                                                                                                                    Sounds like they would get your affiliate list from the books considering that is where they will figure out how much you owe them.

                                                                                                                                    You talk so highly of this contract, why dont you post the details of the contract, unless there is something in there you dont want people to see. Stop hiding behind it and produce it so your affiliates can know what you've gotten them into.

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                                                                                                                                      • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 16714
                                                                                                                                        #284
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


                                                                                                                                        your right,
                                                                                                                                        they don't sdhave probably...THEY JUST DON'T CONVERT FOR SHIT!
                                                                                                                                        ;-))
                                                                                                                                        is that right serge? have you promoted me? name names of who convert like shit with me.. I dare you...
                                                                                                                                        A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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                                                                                                                                          • notjoe
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                                                                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 5599
                                                                                                                                            #285
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Lickshots


                                                                                                                                            Well for one you wouldn't see ARS, because ARS doesn't own any of the sites.
                                                                                                                                            No but they send/redirect traffic which would still infringe on the patent issue (so berman claims), dumbass. Since you want to get technical the ppl who provide/manage the actual sites havent signed either and intend to fight it.

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                                                                                                                                              • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 9820
                                                                                                                                                #286
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Candice


                                                                                                                                                Fuck you Serge!
                                                                                                                                                sorry, honey,
                                                                                                                                                but I see it but as an extortion,
                                                                                                                                                I doin't pay ho's....therefore,
                                                                                                                                                not in your fucking dream!

                                                                                                                                                your ass fuckin' techniques SCARE me!

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                                                                                                                                                  • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 16714
                                                                                                                                                    #287
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by notjoe


                                                                                                                                                    So, do you have to open the books up to them? If you do isnt it possible that they will see all your affiliate data? Im sure they would want to see everyone and the numbers they're doing which should produce the overall numbers you try to feed them.

                                                                                                                                                    Sounds like they would get your affiliate list from the books considering that is where they will figure out how much you owe them.

                                                                                                                                                    You talk so highly of this contract, why dont you post the details of the contract, unless there is something in there you dont want people to see. Stop hiding behind it and produce it so your affiliates can know what you've gotten them into.
                                                                                                                                                    yea they have little green men with spy cams that will take secret snap shots of email addresses and affiliate ID's.

                                                                                                                                                    you are not even worth the time scammer
                                                                                                                                                    A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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                                                                                                                                                      • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 9820
                                                                                                                                                        #288
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Candice



                                                                                                                                                        You're a lying piece of shit, I'm sorry people, I'm pissed, so I'm
                                                                                                                                                        voicing it.
                                                                                                                                                        you aren't pissed,
                                                                                                                                                        you are patently stupid and this is why pimpdog left you....just to set the record straight....
                                                                                                                                                        it has nothing to do wiht your ass fucking habits.

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                                                                                                                                                          • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 9820
                                                                                                                                                            #289
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by funkmaster


                                                                                                                                                            ... you are a gentleman by trade.
                                                                                                                                                            ...and Brittish Lord at nite
                                                                                                                                                            ;-))))

                                                                                                                                                            yeah, right!
                                                                                                                                                            ;-)))

                                                                                                                                                            have you seen Ron Levi's flash movie?
                                                                                                                                                            ;-))))

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                                                                                                                                                              • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 16714
                                                                                                                                                                #290
                                                                                                                                                                i guess its safe to say you didnt choke on anything at dinner eh serge?
                                                                                                                                                                A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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                                                                                                                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                    • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                    #291
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                    I have been doing this since 97. not that it matters.

                                                                                                                                                                    and you dont promote me anyways, so why is it even an issue? Dont worry about what I know, Im obviously doing something right, but I wont get into pissing match with you over my success.

                                                                                                                                                                    I am not your bro, you are twisting this shit around like I sold everyone out. when in fact its the complete opposite.
                                                                                                                                                                    Okay fair enough. To me, you and I are just talking here though, I'm not trying to piss with you at all. I'm not sure why you're getting yourself all worked up with the "I'm not your bro" shit, but whatever. I guess all the other shit on this thread has left you somewhat close to snitsville, and i can understand that.


                                                                                                                                                                    I only currently promote one sponsor on that list, but that too is about to change. The reason this concerns me is because *your* decisions sometimes affect much more than just *your* business. Sometimes *your* decisions affect the entire industry, and this could very well be one of those times. Maybe when other programs see a thread like this they might think harder about the best course of action, who knows. All I know is the more companies who decide to fight, the better the chances of defeating the extortion.

                                                                                                                                                                    Don't tell me you don't want to see Acacia go down in flames. If you do, then we have that in common.
                                                                                                                                                                    Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!

                                                                                                                                                                    ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
                                                                                                                                                                    Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket.                                                                                                                                                                     ICQ me at: 31024634

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 9820
                                                                                                                                                                        #292
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                        we held out for 3 months.

                                                                                                                                                                        yea we sold out. big deal.

                                                                                                                                                                        when you have a successful business at risk, you do what you have todo to.

                                                                                                                                                                        our affiliates are protected.

                                                                                                                                                                        get fucked if you dont agree with OUR decission. its our business to run how we see fit.
                                                                                                                                                                        you have successful business???

                                                                                                                                                                        Candice, YOU built it,
                                                                                                                                                                        demand your share!
                                                                                                                                                                        ;-))))

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                                                                                                                                                                          • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 16714
                                                                                                                                                                            #293
                                                                                                                                                                            Don't tell me you don't want to see Acacia go down in flames. If you do, then we have that in common.
                                                                                                                                                                            ofcoarse i do
                                                                                                                                                                            A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                • 9820
                                                                                                                                                                                #294
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by funkmaster


                                                                                                                                                                                ... see gentleman serge, this is the way you quote shit. watch and learn.
                                                                                                                                                                                the day I learn from GFYers will be the day before I blow my brains out
                                                                                                                                                                                ;-))))

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                                    #295
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                                                    the day I learn from GFYers will be the day before I blow my brains out
                                                                                                                                                                                    ;-))))
                                                                                                                                                                                    You and I could learn a lot from each other.


                                                                                                                                                                                    Lock and load.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!

                                                                                                                                                                                    ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                    Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket.                                                                                                                                                                                     ICQ me at: 31024634

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 9820
                                                                                                                                                                                        #296
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                                                                                                                                                                                        you think this thread has me worried about anything?

                                                                                                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                                                                                                        \
                                                                                                                                                                                        yes, it does...you missed your lunch,
                                                                                                                                                                                        I had my dinner, and you'll be here at 5 am when I wake up and explain to Europeans how you fuck them

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • notjoe
                                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 5599
                                                                                                                                                                                            #297
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                                                                                                                                                                                            yea they have little green men with spy cams that will take secret snap shots of email addresses and affiliate ID's.

                                                                                                                                                                                            you are not even worth the time scammer
                                                                                                                                                                                            Hey dipshit, if you have to open up the books you're telling me they don't have access to know who you're paying and how much money you're making? I know if I was in their shoes and I found a fish like you I would make you disclose who sent every single signup so that I can ensure you're not trying to rip me off, kind of like you already did.

                                                                                                                                                                                            You call me a scammer? I'm not the one who uses stolen content on their sites (like you did when you used my screen caps even after I told you that you didn't have permission?).
                                                                                                                                                                                            How about the bill you didn't pay?
                                                                                                                                                                                            How about the excessive spam I was getting from you?
                                                                                                                                                                                            How about the music in your GFY banner that you have, you telling me you licensed the music from the recording studio?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Yet I'm the scammer eh?

                                                                                                                                                                                            You say you're not out for the publicity? Why don't you explain the banner you have up on GFY? You may call it an AD but i'm sure the space could have been better spent promoting the program instead of welcoming yourself back.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I think i'm not worth the time because i'm raising a valid point. Post the contract and shut me (and im sure a lot of other people) up
                                                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by notjoe; 01-08-2004, 05:22 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 9820
                                                                                                                                                                                                #298
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by p1mpdogg


                                                                                                                                                                                                is that right serge? have you promoted me? name names of who convert like shit with me.. I dare you...
                                                                                                                                                                                                Alex Brown sent you 13,281 hits and got ZERO sign ups!

                                                                                                                                                                                                anything else you need from me?>

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 9820
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #299
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                                                    i guess its safe to say you didnt choke on anything at dinner eh serge?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Cabernet was excelelnt,
                                                                                                                                                                                                    grilled octopus superb,
                                                                                                                                                                                                    lamb chops divine,
                                                                                                                                                                                                    smelts outstanding,

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Greek salad out of this world...
                                                                                                                                                                                                    and no I am dowing your posts with Calvados...is there anything wrong with that?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    ;-)))

                                                                                                                                                                                                    (between us boys, do you wash your dick after ass fuckin' or did you use the condom?)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Serge_Oprano
                                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 9820
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #300
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                                                        You and I could learn a lot from each other.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lock and load.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        you are not GFYer,
                                                                                                                                                                                                        you are Oprano material
                                                                                                                                                                                                        ;-))))

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