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I have doubts on any sponsors using this affiliate software?

01-07-2004, 06:54 PM

OK OK more drama.

I wanted to say this for a very long time & here it goes. I am not saying that these people are scams or cheats but I have my doubts about their software they are using, I dont know which software it is but these following that I promote are using it:

triplexcash.com
makebling.com
vidcash.com
hometowncash.com
blingcash.com

I bet you they have the shave option implemented in the software. I promote all of them & doing very bad. I dont trust their software, it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
WHEN WILL THE DRAMA END!!!!

and this goes for all other affiliate software out their. Third party billing companys should create their own & paysite owners will only be aloud to use theirs & none other.

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01-07-2004, 07:01 PM

alot use in-house coders and have stuff like this done custom.
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01-07-2004, 07:10 PM

The software looks like MPA2. Of the sponsors you mentioned, I feel that some are honest while others aren't. It's just a shame that so many webmasters can open a sponsor site and be blinded by images of "mad bling" flying around their screens here there and everywhere.

The correct train of thought is very simple - if your gut feeling tells you that the program is shady, stay away. If the program owners have been caught with their pants down in the past, stay away. If a program comes out of nowhere and starts paying a silly amount per signup, stay away.

But if you feel that you can't trust anyone, then maybe it's time to start your own network.
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01-07-2004, 07:14 PM

MPA2 does have a built in shave feature, I have seen it. Not sure if that's what they are using but MPA2 does have that option. Or at least it did when I was testing it.
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01-07-2004, 07:21 PM

Sometimes you would think it is best to get paid per click.
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01-07-2004, 07:53 PM

Hit me up on ICQ 137811029 (preferrably tomorrow) if you are having any problems with HomeTownCash

*but* DO NOT accuse us of cheating! Witch hunts are great entertainment but it's fucking ridiculous to start accusing anybody and everybody without cause.

Our sites convert great (niche and exclusive content) and can make you a lot of money. Talk to me tomorrow and I'll see if there's anything I can suggest to help.

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01-07-2004, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by fuelcell
Hit me up on ICQ 137811029 (preferrably tomorrow) if you are having any problems with HomeTownCash

*but* DO NOT accuse us of cheating! Witch hunts are great entertainment but it's fucking ridiculous to start accusing anybody and everybody without cause.

Our sites convert great (niche and exclusive content) and can make you a lot of money. Talk to me tomorrow and I'll see if there's anything I can suggest to help.

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I am not saying that you guys are cheaters or scams, I am just saying that the software that you guys are using is doing very bad for me with all the sponsors that is using it. Somebody replied in this thread you guys have the shaving option in your admins, I just hope you guys don't use that option at all, it would be ashame if you do... THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY!
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01-07-2004, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by pornjudge
OK OK more drama.

Just to end this "DRAMA" right away - again -

1. do better research before accusing any sponsors of anything. Your words come out empty here. I would personally take a look at your own traffic and the way you promote your sponsors. Obviously you ar doing something wrong since your traffic convert bad. (lots of time "bad" conversion ratios are a signe of trustworthy sponsor programs due to the fact that they dont "disguise" their numbers by showing you better ratios than what is the truth. Now THAT my friend is shaving. MPA2 powered sponsor programs have a PROVEN 20 to 30 % more signups than programs using just one "standard" affiliate program with one processor.

2. MPA2 does not have a buildt in standard shave feature. A software does not shave - webmasters might. "Don't blame the car dealer when you run a red light and crash your car"

3. Contact your sponsors and have them help you optimize the traffic you are sending them - obviously you are doing something wrong - I am sure they are more than willing to help you out and teach you a few tricks. And stop bitch.

Email me with any questions and if you need contact info for anyone in this industry, I have it, let me know if you need it.

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01-07-2004, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Oystein

Just to end this "DRAMA" right away - again -

1. do better research before accusing any sponsors of anything. Your words come out empty here. I would personally take a look at your own traffic and the way you promote your sponsors. Obviously you ar doing something wrong since your traffic convert bad. (lots of time "bad" conversion ratios are a signe of trustworthy sponsor programs due to the fact that they dont "disguise" their numbers by showing you better ratios than what is the truth. Now THAT my friend is shaving. MPA2 powered sponsor programs have a PROVEN 20 to 30 % more signups than programs using just one "standard" affiliate program with one processor.

2. MPA2 does not have a buildt in standard shave feature. A software does not shave - webmasters might. "Don't blame the car dealer when you run a red light and crash your car"

3. Contact your sponsors and have them help you optimize the traffic you are sending them - obviously you are doing something wrong - I am sure they are more than willing to help you out and teach you a few tricks. And stop bitch.

Email me with any questions and if you need contact info for anyone in this industry, I have it, let me know if you need it.

Drama over...

LOL, ok Einstein... What do you know about my traffic? or the way I market it. I could tell you my average with allot of programs are 1/600. I was just saying if these guys have the shave option, I just hope its not used.... We are getting cheated as it is with allot of them out there. OH? about showing me tricks, maybe I could show you a few tricks of myself
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01-07-2004, 10:25 PM

I have seen stats from a program using MPA2 go from 50+ sales per month to 2 sales per month. No change in traffic sources, method of advertising, *nothing* changed on the webmaster's/traffic's end.

After endless emails and finally threatening to pull all traffic, the sales magically returned to normal.

"A software does not shave - webmasters might."
I guess the translation of that would be: "Yes people can shave with our software but it's up to them if they do it."
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01-07-2004, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Carrie
I have seen stats from a program using MPA2 go from 50+ sales per month to 2 sales per month. No change in traffic sources, method of advertising, *nothing* changed on the webmaster's/traffic's end.

After endless emails and finally threatening to pull all traffic, the sales magically returned to normal.

"A software does not shave - webmasters might."
I guess the translation of that would be: "Yes people can shave with our software but it's up to them if they do it."

It makes you wanna go uuuhhhhmmmmm... I meant to say the software as the shave option but the webmaster that enables it is a scumbag... Thats what I wanted to say!!!

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01-08-2004, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by Oystein

Just to end this "DRAMA" right away - again -

1. do better research before accusing any sponsors of anything. Your words come out empty here. I would personally take a look at your own traffic and the way you promote your sponsors. Obviously you ar doing something wrong since your traffic convert bad. (lots of time "bad" conversion ratios are a signe of trustworthy sponsor programs due to the fact that they dont "disguise" their numbers by showing you better ratios than what is the truth. Now THAT my friend is shaving. MPA2 powered sponsor programs have a PROVEN 20 to 30 % more signups than programs using just one "standard" affiliate program with one processor.

2. MPA2 does not have a buildt in standard shave feature. A software does not shave - webmasters might. "Don't blame the car dealer when you run a red light and crash your car"

3. Contact your sponsors and have them help you optimize the traffic you are sending them - obviously you are doing something wrong - I am sure they are more than willing to help you out and teach you a few tricks. And stop bitch.

Email me with any questions and if you need contact info for anyone in this industry, I have it, let me know if you need it.

Drama over...

Drama does not seem to be over, I just dont want this thread to go to soon
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01-08-2004, 04:27 AM

Pornjudge I can confirm you that there is a Shave option with MPA2. I saw it myself and it's right on the homepage.

When I saw it I stopped to use every MPA2 sponsor.

It's sad but I don't want to be shaved when I know that this option exist in a Software.
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01-08-2004, 04:45 AM

I can confirm that Microsoft is tracking every move you make on the internet. Call me and I will show you... 555-555-5555

You guys are killin me...

All good boys. Say what you want to say. Bottom line is that MPA2 users make more money than non-MPA2 users.

PS. On my way to bed after a great time in Vegas - lots of new programs now using MPA2 and MAS - All making more money.

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01-08-2004, 04:52 AM

Oystein Are you the owner of MPA2 or do you have a sponsor with MPA2? If yes tell me that it'S not true about the feature of shaving in this program. And please don't lie because I know the truth.
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01-08-2004, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by {fusion}
alot use in-house coders and have stuff like this done custom.
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01-08-2004, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by rockbear
Oystein Are you the owner of MPA2 or do you have a sponsor with MPA2? If yes tell me that it'S not true about the feature of shaving in this program. And please don't lie because I know the truth.

Looks like he is the owner.

What a crap of BS this is:

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All good boys. Say what you want to say. Bottom line is that MPA2 users make more money than non-MPA2 users.
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WTF, I could name you 5 other affiliate software that do better then yours. Why cant people just be fuckin honest & stop cheating their partners. It never stops.
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01-08-2004, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by rockbear
Pornjudge I can confirm you that there is a Shave option with MPA2. I saw it myself and it's right on the homepage.

When I saw it I stopped to use every MPA2 sponsor.

It's sad but I don't want to be shaved when I know that this option exist in a Software.

What make syou think only sponsors using MPA2 shave? According to me this whole thread is totally bullshit.

Do you think when a sponsor gets a custom script all would be legit? Sure some will play by the rules I am sure of that, but stop using MPA2 sponsors because of the shave option is bullshit.

Btw if I am correct there was only a shave option in the earlier versions of the program and now it only an addition ;) Like mentioned above it's the webmaster shaving, not the program.

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01-08-2004, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by Oystein
2. MPA2 does not have a buildt in standard shave feature.
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01-08-2004, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe

What make syou think only sponsors using MPA2 shave? According to me this whole thread is totally bullshit.

Do you think when a sponsor gets a custom script all would be legit? Sure some will play by the rules I am sure of that, but stop using MPA2 sponsors because of the shave option is bullshit.

Btw if I am correct there was only a shave option in the earlier versions of the program and now it only an addition ;) Like mentioned above it's the webmaster shaving, not the program.

I dont give a fuck, the software as the option... So fuck the software & the webmaster that uses this shitty fuckin software. No fuckin software should have this option. I am tired of fuckin giving away my trafic for free & working for FREE for fuckin scumbags that cheat us... END OF STORY
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01-08-2004, 05:13 AM

Quashe How can you be sure that the sponsor will not use this option? AS we can see these days there is a lot of sponsor who use a shave option. It's crazy sometimes so do we need to take a chance and say: Oh I will ask him if he use this option and if the owner tell me "no we don't use this function and never will" I will promote it right away? I'm sorry but it's to easy to lie in front a computer.
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01-08-2004, 05:19 AM

Anyone with doubt about what I say can come meet me in person at the next show I will be attending. Believe it will be the one in AZ.

I will give you a complete INSIDE tour of the MPA2 admin area so that you can see for yourself.

Pornjudge... I expect to see you there. You will love what I have to show you.

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01-08-2004, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by rockbear
Quashe How can you be sure that the sponsor will not use this option? AS we can see these days there is a lot of sponsor who use a shave option. It's crazy sometimes so do we need to take a chance and say: Oh I will ask him if he use this option and if the owner tell me "no we don't use this function and never will" I will promote it right away? I'm sorry but it's to easy to lie in front a computer.

Where did I say sponsors don't use this option? What I am trying to say is that it's not the software that shaves.

A car can drive way above the maximum speed, but is that the manufacturers responsibility?

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01-08-2004, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by pornjudge

I dont give a fuck, the software as the option... So fuck the software & the webmaster that uses this shitty fuckin software. No fuckin software should have this option. I am tired of fuckin giving away my trafic for free & working for FREE for fuckin scumbags that cheat us... END OF STORY

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01-08-2004, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by pornjudge

I dont give a fuck, the software as the option... So fuck the software & the webmaster that uses this shitty fuckin software. No fuckin software should have this option. I am tired of fuckin giving away my trafic for free & working for FREE for fuckin scumbags that cheat us... END OF STORY

I agree with you, I am just stating the facts

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01-08-2004, 05:27 AM

fucking hilarious this thread is...

it relates to the other thread that says why is that people who complain are ones that make no signups...

Also the guy in this thread who said sales went from 50 a day to 2 a day... now come on eve na fucking retarded webmaster who was shaving would not shave you that much..

It seems like a good excuse and its the typical culture nowdays, don't blame urself blame others.

Its been proven on adult boards that people do shave but its not as many as you lot think, people with proper plans and strategies do not need to shave because they make more money with affiliates.

MensNiche for example, we do everything to give the webmasters credit, we paid a lot of extra money so that our software would credit on upsells, exit sales and track ip and cookies... affiliates are very valuable to us, shaving makes no sense.

I agree with some comments on this thread eg one example of shaving is sponsors who give u ratios based on 2nd page clicks instead of showing u all the information including raw, unique etc.. or ratios on QUALIFED clicks... fuck knows what that is.

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01-08-2004, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by pornjudge

I dont give a fuck, the software as the option... So fuck the software & the webmaster that uses this shitty fuckin software. No fuckin software should have this option. I am tired of fuckin giving away my trafic for free & working for FREE for fuckin scumbags that cheat us... END OF STORY

Lotta "fuckin", "software" and "option" in that sentence
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01-08-2004, 05:27 AM

there are shavers out there but unless u have solid fucking proof then do not start a thread listing sites.

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01-08-2004, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by Darren
there are shavers out there but unless u have solid fucking proof then do not start a thread listing sites.

read his first post dam it

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01-08-2004, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by jimmyf

read his first post dam it

im assuming this is sarcasm ?

cuz no proof at all in his little rant in first post...

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01-08-2004, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by Darren

im assuming this is sarcasm ?

cuz no proof at all in his little rant in first post...

he did not say out right, they shave. Granted he could have worded it Diff.

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01-08-2004, 05:43 AM

I did a trial on Nastydollars just sending a small amount of high quality traffic for the last couple of months, it was targetted traffic.

Totals 560Hits $0

They send an email today asking if I want to promote their new site eurosexparties.
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01-08-2004, 05:49 AM

let me blow this thread out. This software
http://www.riverstyx.net/products.html
has a shaving feature built in, I have seen it.Some of the clients include sweetmoney,adultcash, and megapornbucks
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01-08-2004, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by bigdog
let me blow this thread out. This software
http://www.riverstyx.net/products.html
has a shaving feature built in, I have seen it.Some of the clients include sweetmoney,adultcash, and megapornbucks

Thats what I am saying, lots and lots of (custom) software have this option.

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01-08-2004, 05:59 AM

It must be tempting if the software allows shaving. Nobody will ever be able to prove you stole half of somebody's earnings.

I little like working in a bank and being able to take a little home and nobody would every find out and there would never be any conciquences.

I'm not accusing nastydollars of shaving, maybe there conversion ratio is just through the floor.
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01-08-2004, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe

Thats what I am saying, lots and lots of (custom) software have this option.

Could you please name a non custom software for affiliate program... (PS. any processor made affiliate program is custom made for the processors customers -so they dont count...)

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01-08-2004, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe

Thats what I am saying, lots and lots of (custom) software have this option.

Exactly anybody can shave signups especially if you have a custom script.You don't need mpa2 to shave. Even if you were going to shave why would you even use mpa2. I wouldn't want them to know what i was doing. I was just get a custom script if i planned on shaving webmasters

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01-08-2004, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by bigdog
let me blow this thread out. This software
http://www.riverstyx.net/products.html
has a shaving feature built in, I have seen it.Some of the clients include sweetmoney,adultcash, and megapornbucks

I had doubts about sweetmoney also... Still waiting for my first sale dammit
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01-08-2004, 07:11 AM

The last few months have been a bit scary.......

What is the real percentage of sponsors that shave?

Is the new game finding out who shaves the least?

ROI.... has to be the new benchmark?
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01-08-2004, 07:15 AM

mpa2 took their shaving thingy out but its available upon request JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PROGRAM YOU MOFO'S!!!

Just because its known in this case doesnt mean the other programs dont have that option. Even if it doesnt it can be build in by another program.

Dont get me wrong, this should be illegal, but if makes no sense attacking just mpa2. They arent different compared to other programs.
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01-08-2004, 07:21 AM

Please explain this what is the counting? Always wondered about that.

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01-08-2004, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Oystein

Could you please name a non custom software for affiliate program... (PS. any processor made affiliate program is custom made for the processors customers -so they dont count...)

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01-08-2004, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Battuss
mpa2 took their shaving thingy out but its available upon request JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PROGRAM YOU MOFO'S!!!

Just because its known in this case doesnt mean the other programs dont have that option. Even if it doesnt it can be build in by another program.

Dont get me wrong, this should be illegal, but if makes no sense attacking just mpa2. They arent different compared to other programs.

mpa2 is being attacked because I am watching my sponsors that uses this software very closely & my ratios are very low with them. Others will come, its just a matter of time. Sweetmoney's software could be the same also, somone said they have the shaving option implemented also. YEPP, it should be illegal to have a shave option in the admin area & whoever created these software should get fuckin sued!

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01-08-2004, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Keyser Soze

Please explain this what is the counting? Always wondered about that.

whos admin is that from means there only counting 85% of signups going to pay per signup..

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01-08-2004, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Darren

whos admin is that from means there only counting 85% of signups going to pay per signup..

Its from the demo of mpa2 on their website

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01-08-2004, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by pornjudge

mpa2 is being attacked because I am watching my sponsors that uses this software very closely & my ratios are very low with them. Others will come, its just a matter of time. Sweetmoney's software could be the same also, somone said they have the shaving option implemented also. YEPP, it should be illegal to have a shave option in the admin area & whoever created these software should get fuckin sued!

SHAVING=STEALING=COURT=JUDGE=GUILTY=PRISON=BUTTFUC KED

So dont shave assholes

dude, get a grip. If you don't want to use programs because of the software, then that's your choice and your perogative... but to assume that because of the software that a sponsor is shaving and saying as much on an industry related messageboard borders on libel.
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01-08-2004, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Oystein

2. MPA2 does not have a buildt in standard shave feature.

So, what your saying is that when a client requests that feature you add it for them? Then you know exactly which sponsors that use your software steal from webmasters and you help them by making them a shave module?

Way to go..

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01-08-2004, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Keyser Soze

Its from the demo of mpa2 on their website

????

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By the way guys. I have noticed lots of smart guys replying to this thread, and I have noticed a few very upset ones. For the upset ones I recommend councelling. If you have been fucked ones, you sure will be fucked twice and then a third. Go with a sponsor you trust - open communication is important and you as an affiliate (if you send one or a thousand joins a day) deserve that. Dont blame the car dealer, blame the driver.

And pornjudge, I have nothing against you - you seem like a big guy (in posts) and I am sure you do what you need to do to stay on top of your game. (posting) - no pun intended.

So anyways, I just got back from Internext with LOTS of new MPA2 sponsors ready to make webmasters and themselves (goes hand in hand) a lot more money. GREAT SHOW!

All of you that met me in the booth to redeem your $750 discount - we will be in touch this and next week. I am always available via mail, ICQ or phone.

We also launched our new MPA2 v3 at the show!

GREAT NEW FEATURES!

* database agnostic - use ANY database (oracle, sybase, mySQL, SQL and so on...

* Shopping cart - Start selling products and pay your webmasters from the same affiliate code (url)

* real time stats for Epoch, Netbilling and CCBill

* Sub admin login (add other peoples sites to your program and let them check their own stats via your admin panel

* 2000charge for EU and Korean debit cards - optimized join forms using geo tracking

* support for WTS (achdebit) for checks

* multiple tours

* multiple price options

and there is more - will announce the rest in a press release shortly.

ALL existing customers will get a FREE upgrade of course.

So, since I am in such a good mood right now I will also extend the $750 discount we offered at the show to all you GFYers if you email me at oystein at mansionproductions dot com within the next three days. Offer ends Monday in other words.

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01-10-2004, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by damian2001

What is the real percentage of sponsors that shave?

After careful study and analysis across the past 5 years I have reasonably determined the percentage to be 100% (+ or - 100%)

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01-10-2004, 06:41 AM

Maybe, and i say maybe, if there was an actual organisation in the adult business that would put some standard to follow regarding stats engine and some other things...maybe the shaving would stop.

I fact i wanted to do something like that. A site with a list of adult standard regarding TGP, paysites, free sites etc...Like for TGP, a standard regarding categories and there meaning, and which TGP have adopted that standard. But i surely don't have the time for this...it looks like a tremedeous task.

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