Are people born evil?
What you think? Are ppl born evil or kind, smart or dumb... or is it just about how they get raised?
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Some are born evil period.
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It depends on allot more than that.Originally posted by freezex
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Children come into this world innocent. Then they get raised up by crack moms, no daddy, bad environment, no love, no hugs or whatever else you care to think of.
Raising decent human beings begats decent human beings.
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if your thinking of committing a serious crime just say you was abused as a child you will get offOriginally posted by freezex
What you think? Are ppl born evil or kind, smart or dumb... or is it just about how they get raised?
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People are all born evil, take a look at all the kids that tortue animals and commit wrongful acts. You just learn how to supress/hide it as you get older.
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I think most people are born with an inherent sense of right and wrong. I think a small percentage are born without an inherent sense of right and wrong and due to the environment in which they are raised become bad and evil people. I also think a tiny percentage are born already instilled with total evil and are not even capable of understanding right and wrong even if they are raised in a positive environment and those end up as the notorious evil doers we read up about and see on TV committing ghastly crimes. These are the ones that have that empty soul look in their eyes.
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Depends on how long they spend on GFY. After a few days of bs scams you'ld turn to the forces of darkness too.Originally posted by freezex
What you think? Are ppl born evil or kind, smart or dumb... or is it just about how they get raised?Comment
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There is no such thing as right or wrong, from an ojbjective perspective. There is only subjective morality, and environment/society dictates what that is.Originally posted by KRL
I think most people are born with an inherent sense of right and wrong. I think a small percentage are born without an inherent sense of right and wrong and due to the environment in which they are raised become bad and evil people. I also think a tiny percentage are born already instilled with total evil and are not even capable of understanding right and wrong even if they are raised in a positive environment and those end up as the notorious evil doers we read up about and see on TV committing ghastly crimes. These are the ones that have that empty soul look in their eyes.
No Evil, no Good from a totally objective point. Period.
Throughout history we've had a sliding scale of what is considered right and wrong, don't kid yourselves.
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Originally posted by FocusAdult
There is no such thing as right or wrong, from an ojbjective perspective. There is only subjective morality, and environment/society dictates what that is.
No Evil, no Good from a totally objective point. Period.
Throughout history we've had a sliding scale of what is considered right and wrong, don't kid yourselves.
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By that rationale, how can we form opinions on anything? ..almost everything is dictated on culture/society and public consensus..
I think kids are 'evil' because they havn't been taught what is appropriate and inappropriate .. and they have no concept of empathy... until they get older. As soon as most kids know that by doing something bad they can really hurt someone, they form a conscience.
unfortunately as adults, such things as lust, power, greed.. a lot of the time, overshadow the conscience we formed growing up.Last edited by Blondie23; 01-07-2004, 08:18 PM.Comment
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Some people that grow up to be evil probably have a slight chemical imbalance or something, because a sane person, even a racist, probably wouldn't order the murder of millions of people... Chemical imbalance is what I think it is.
But, then again, was the guy sitting in jail for bankrobbery born a criminal? I think in some cases, reguardless of their upbringing, people are just going to commit crimes, I don't know if science has proven why... or have they?
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I disagree. I'm talking on a base level, not getting into semantics.Originally posted by FocusAdult
There is no such thing as right or wrong, from an ojbjective perspective. There is only subjective morality, and environment/society dictates what that is.
No Evil, no Good from a totally objective point. Period.
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I think it depends on the environment they grew up in but I also believe that some influences are already there when they are born.Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic!
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Originally posted by PenisFace
Some people that grow up to be evil probably have a slight chemical imbalance or something, because a sane person, even a racist, probably wouldn't order the murder of millions of people... Chemical imbalance is what I think it is.
But, then again, was the guy sitting in jail for bankrobbery born a criminal? I think in some cases, reguardless of their upbringing, people are just going to commit crimes, I don't know if science has proven why... or have they?
yeah i think brain chemistry is just one of the many variables along with upbringing, environment influences etc etc
i think with crimes like thievery etc, it can just be a normal person in a time of desperation, but crimes like senseless murder for fun is definitely related to chemical imbalances.
Serial killers often have extremely high iqs, and of course are meticulous and pre-meditating in their actions - so this has to be more than just upbringing imoComment
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Originally posted by Blondie23
yeah i think brain chemistry is just one of the many variables along with upbringing, environment influences etc etc
i think with crimes like thievery etc, it can just be a normal person in a time of desperation, but crimes like senseless murder for fun is definitely related to chemical imbalances.
Serial killers often have extremely high iqs, and of course are meticulous and pre-meditating in their actions - so this has to be more than just upbringing imo
of course they all blame their childhood.. but Ted bundy for instance has very little to blame, he was good looking, charming, popular.. he just LOVED to kill rape and torture women.. it was pure thrills for him .. (he was notorious for his necrophillia and even carried around their remains in a bag with him for weeks just because he was so proud of himself) .. He admitted right before he was executed "i just have no ability to feel sympathy for people" .. and when he was preparing for the electric chair he cried like a little girl - not from remorse but because he didn't want to die.
That is the work of someone with a serious brain imbalance.Comment
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Those people always had shitty childhoods and overbearing or violent parents.Originally posted by KRL
I also think a tiny percentage are born already instilled with total evil and are not even capable of understanding right and wrong even if they are raised in a positive environment and those end up as the notorious evil doers we read up about and see on TV committing ghastly crimes. These are the ones that have that empty soul look in their eyes.
But hey, at least they don't all go on to make whiny rock bands like staind, linkin park, and marilyn manson did.Comment
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Originally posted by Blondie23
By that rationale, how can we form opinions on anything? ..almost everything is dictated on culture/society and public consensus..
I think kids are 'evil' because they havn't been taught what is appropriate and inappropriate .. and they have no concept of empathy... until they get older. As soon as most kids know that by doing something bad they can really hurt someone, they form a conscience.
unfortunately as adults, such things as lust, power, greed.. a lot of the time, overshadow the conscience we formed growing up.
Everything you just described as base properties of human beings are simply constructs. They are what we use to describe acceptable behaviour.
Do you honestly think that the things we find acceptable and good/bad are the same things that our ancestors did even just a thousand years ago?
Most of what we accept as "moral" or "righteous" or upstanding behaviour is simply that which benefits the tribe, society, the most. That which furthers and prolongs the species. I will consent that, THAT is the only thing that determines good/bad/evil, whatever...whether it furthers the species.
The rest changes every hundred years.Comment
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For every example of what you want to label 'base' behaviour in human beings I think it would be just as easy to find an opposing example in other cultures (or predecessors) that is viewed as good or lawful.Originally posted by KRL
I disagree. I'm talking on a base level, not getting into semantics.
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I think has a lot to do with mental health. I used to spend 12 hours a day dealing with the scum of the earth before I was a webmaster full time. I knew guys wealty as hell with great up bringing who were sick and evil as shit by choice and of course I knew crankers who were just the same.
So I guess looking at what causes shit like depression, schizophrenia, etc would lead to the answer of that.Comment
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Originally posted by FocusAdult
For every example of what you want to label 'base' behaviour in human beings I think it would be just as easy to find an opposing example in other cultures (or predecessors) that is viewed as good or lawful.
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I can't disagree with this of course, and i also agree that evolutionarily our basic instincts surround furthering the species...
i have to say though, surely there is a basic moral foundation that is universal.. for instance, purposely harming another human being for ones own gratification..and for no other purpose but to enjoy the suffering of another human , can that truly be conceived as 'good' ..at any time? acceptable and lawful, perhaps..but never classified as a 'good' thing.. surely.Comment
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I agree.Originally posted by Blondie23
I can't disagree with this of course, and i also agree that evolutionarily our basic instincts surround furthering the species...
i have to say though, surely there is a basic moral foundation that is universal.. for instance, purposely harming another human being for ones own gratification..and for no other purpose but to enjoy the suffering of another human , can that truly be conceived as 'good' ..at any time? acceptable and lawful, perhaps..but never classified as a 'good' thing.. surely.
There are murders, even, where you understood why it was done. Such as a father who's little girl got raped and killed, and he went out and ripped up the rapist with his bare hands. That's not evil and it's nowhere near the level of behavior that Blondie is talking about, even though it's still murder.
So yes, that type of murder is subjective.
Then you've got the kind of person like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson.
These men, point blank, are evil.
And it has nothing to do with how they were raised or their environmental surroundings... evil like that comes from within.Comment
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I believe that every child born is "good"
it is the corruption in the society that they live in that make them the way they areComment
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No, I think it's based on how the person is raised and their surroundings, who they are brought up with...Comment
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Originally posted by Vitasoy
No, I think it's based on how the person is raised and their surroundings, who they are brought up with...
one of the parallels drawn between the majority of serial killers, is that they were brought up in middle-class environments and were highly educated..(most have one or two college degrees -- ironically psychology was the degree t. bundy completed) some of them were raised in broken/abusive homes, but a lot of them were raised in reasonably normal homes. The best defence for their lawyers to take is of course, abused as a child, they are the victim etc . but mainly because its the only card they can play when evidence is so conclusive.Comment
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I think that how they grow up is a big factor tooComment
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I didn't know you were anti-semantic.Originally posted by KRL
I disagree. I'm talking on a base level, not getting into semantics.Comment
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I was born evil. At the tender age of 10 months, while laying in my crib my 8 year old brother stood over me, and I pissed in his face. He reportedly cried like a baby.
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Only one of us was born evil, the other just have alcoholic parents...Comment
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My mom does foster care and every few years or so, she gets kids that can only be described as evil. I mean little kids, 4 and 5 years old, and you can tell they are prison bound.
It's true that these kids come from fucked up homes but even so it is pretty creepy for 4 year olds to try to hang the family cat or to threaten to murder you in your sleep.
One 5 year old kid in particular, geez, he was one fucked up little dude. It got so bad that the state wanted to lock him up in a nuthouse but there isn't a nuthouse that takes 5 year olds so my mom got him. No question in my mind that he'll end up hacking prostitutes to pieces someday.Comment
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nothing evil about that.. just an innocent fetish starting earlyOriginally posted by CDSmith
I was born evil. At the tender age of 10 months, while laying in my crib my 8 year old brother stood over me, and I pissed in his face. He reportedly cried like a baby.
But with a good upbringing I managed to overcome my evilness.
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there's no such thing as "evil". the term only describes the absence of "good". In the same way, darkness is the absence of light, cold is the absence of heat...Absolute Zero is -460° F. All matter in the universe become inert, it can be no colder. heat is infinite.
People unfortunately speak of evil as an embodiment or entity, locked into the God vs Satan thing. There is no devil, no evil force trying to thwart God. The "devil" is you...and this is hell. welcome.
People are inherently good when born, but this world and all it's trappings quickly contaminate. Without being taught what is right and good, there will be an absence of right and good. This coupled with the poor environments so many kids are subjected to by sorry-ass parents, and we have "evil" people of varying degrees.Comment
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I dont think people are born evil the are influenced buy video games and movies....
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trueOriginally posted by chemicaleyes
It depends on allot more than that.Comment
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