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ScreenshotsOriginally posted by Reak
Wich screenshots ? You call a bunch of numbers Screenshots ?Comment
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These were posted in the other thread about thisOriginally posted by Reak
Wich screenshots ? You call a bunch of numbers Screenshots ?
http://www.royalwhois.com/images/fu_lensman.htmLast edited by machinegunkelly; 01-07-2004, 10:07 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by Mlin2
If there is anyone who have any hard evidence, contact me, I'm willing to cover all legal fees and expenses. In anycase this gay will pay off. Either in court or in loss of proffits.
I still don't understand why you keep insisting that Lens is gay?? And did you feed those kids yet? My offer still stands, I'll order a pizza for them if that will help.Comment
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Wich site do you promote at Ibill ?Comment
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I don't have kids yet, I'm only 20.Originally posted by kocur26
I still don't understand why you keep insisting that Lens is gay?? And did you feed those kids yet? My offer still stands, I'll order a pizza for them if that will help.
Pizza would be good if you send it to some foster kids house.Comment
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Yep, He is promoting 2 different sites with the same traffic. You can see that the Ibill one goes better then Amateurpages.comOriginally posted by Nickless
dude, you're confusing shaving with shitty ratios, these are 2 different things
So? Send your traffic to the Ibill site, There are a lot of people who do good with Amateurpages.com, Much better then your 1:700/800Comment
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Ellaboration:Originally posted by Nickless
dude, you're confusing shaving with shitty ratios, these are 2 different things
This is traffic that were sent toward amateurpages.com - site of adult.com
Before about 10/02/2003 amateurpages.com were charging $29.95 per month for subscription and they were operating $71% revshare program where the number of sales were being tracked by a third party - ibill.com
The traffic were being sent from one traffic domain name. The same domain - the same traffic valume - the same traffic quality.
When stats were being tracked by ibill.com - the third party and site's subscription was $29.95 per month the traffic converted toan average of 6 sales per day (not sure of the exact ration, see screenshots).
Then when Visa 1% came up, they changed the price of the subscription from $29.95 to $9.95, so they get lover chargeback ratio. They changed the program policy from 71% revshare to $25 per sign up. And they started to track sales themselves.
Since the subscription price dropped, the same traffic had to generate more sign ups and it probably did. However as per adult.com statistics it generates an average of 1 sign up per day.
Once they started tracking the statistics, the sales dropped 6x times(?) altho the price for subscription was heavily rediced.
Obvious shaving.Comment
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you got everything wrong. read the post above.Originally posted by Reak
Yep, He is promoting 2 different sites with the same traffic. You can see that the Ibill one goes better then Amateurpages.com
So? Send your traffic to the Ibill site, There are a lot of people who do good with Amateurpages.com, Much better then your 1:700/800Comment
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My point was, cut your losses now and send it somewhere else if you aren't already. Your adult.com account is most definitely going to be terminated soon after this thread.Originally posted by Mlin2
It is the same amount and the same sourse of traffic.Comment
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I'd say it's more of an interesting stat .. but not necessarily proof of anything.Originally posted by Mlin2
Ellaboration:
This is traffic that were sent toward amateurpages.com - site of adult.com
Before about 10/02/2003 amateurpages.com were charging $29.95 per month for subscription and they were operating $71% revshare program where the number of sales were being tracked by a third party - ibill.com
The traffic were being sent from one traffic domain name. The same domain - the same traffic valume - the same traffic quality.
When stats were being tracked by ibill.com - the third party and site's subscription was $29.95 per month the traffic converted toan average of 6 sales per day (not sure of the exact ration, see screenshots).
Then when Visa 1% came up, they changed the price of the subscription from $29.95 to $9.95, so they get lover chargeback ratio. They changed the program policy from 71% revshare to $25 per sign up. And they started to track sales themselves.
Since the subscription price dropped, the same traffic had to generate more sign ups and it probably did. However as per adult.com statistics it generates an average of 1 sign up per day.
Once they started tracking the statistics, the sales dropped 6x times(?) altho the price for subscription was heavily rediced.
Obvious shaving.
Yes you would -think- you would get more signups, assuming what you say is true about your traffic consistency, but there's a lot of other variables.Comment
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well ok, but also the tours changed right?Originally posted by Mlin2
Ellaboration:
This is traffic that were sent toward amateurpages.com - site of adult.com
Before about 10/02/2003 amateurpages.com were charging $29.95 per month for subscription and they were operating $71% revshare program where the number of sales were being tracked by a third party - ibill.com
The traffic were being sent from one traffic domain name. The same domain - the same traffic valume - the same traffic quality.
When stats were being tracked by ibill.com - the third party and site's subscription was $29.95 per month the traffic converted toan average of 6 sales per day (not sure of the exact ration, see screenshots).
Then when Visa 1% came up, they changed the price of the subscription from $29.95 to $9.95, so they get lover chargeback ratio. They changed the program policy from 71% revshare to $25 per sign up. And they started to track sales themselves.
Since the subscription price dropped, the same traffic had to generate more sign ups and it probably did. However as per adult.com statistics it generates an average of 1 sign up per day.
Once they started tracking the statistics, the sales dropped 6x times(?) altho the price for subscription was heavily rediced.
Obvious shaving.
maybe the $10 tours didn't convert as well as the previous ones?
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Why would adult.com keep the tour that converts 6 times worse than the previous one ? In that case they would put the old tour back.Originally posted by Nickless
well ok, but also the tours changed right?
maybe the $10 tours didn't convert as well as the previous ones?
I understand you are trying to think of all the possibilities. I've done it, don't waste your time.
If you doubt shaving, a smart thing to do is to pay attention to the sign up ratio at least.
http://www.royalwhois.com/images/shaven0.gif
Do you think it's ok to convert 20,281 uniques to 8 sign ups when the traffic is being just redirected from another adult domain like in this case - www.10dollargirls.com - a simple traffic redirection of a highly targeted traffic ? Are these convertions ok with you?Last edited by Mlin2; 01-07-2004, 10:19 PM.Comment
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It's been for 2 month since they took over the stats. It's all of the same shaving. I just posted the most reent stats.Originally posted by kocur26
Statistically 20,000 hits is nothing at all. If you want to prove something then you need greater numbers.Comment
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Originally posted by Mlin2
Stats when site was charging $29 per month and stats were being tracked by iBill.com. RevShare account
Amount Chargebacks Amount Revokes Amount
8/7/2003 7 $16.59 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/8/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/9/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/10/2003 10 $23.70 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/11/2003 3 $7.11 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/12/2003 9 $21.33 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/13/2003 5 $11.85 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/14/2003 4 $9.48 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/15/2003 6 $17.82 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/16/2003 5 $11.85 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/17/2003 3 $7.11 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/18/2003 9 $21.33 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/19/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/20/2003 6 $14.22 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/21/2003 6 $14.22 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/22/2003 7 $16.59 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/23/2003 7 $16.59 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/24/2003 13 $30.81 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/25/2003 5 $11.85 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/26/2003 11 $26.07 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/27/2003 2 $4.74 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 1 $5.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/28/2003 16 $37.92 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/29/2003 7 $16.59 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/30/2003 12 $28.44 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
8/31/2003 3 $7.11 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/1/2003 6 $14.22 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/2/2003 12 $28.44 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/3/2003 9 $21.33 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/4/2003 8 $18.96 2 $47.94 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/5/2003 13 $30.81 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/6/2003 10 $23.70 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/7/2003 9 $21.33 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/8/2003 9 $21.33 11 $263.67 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/9/2003 7 $16.59 7 $167.79 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/10/2003 10 $23.70 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/11/2003 8 $18.96 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/12/2003 14 $36.78 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/13/2003 12 $28.44 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/14/2003 13 $30.81 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/15/2003 9 $21.33 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/16/2003 7 $16.59 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/17/2003 1 $2.37 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 2 $26.34 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/18/2003 6 $14.22 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/19/2003 10 $23.70 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/20/2003 8 $18.96 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 1 $23.97 0 $0.00
9/21/2003 3 $7.11 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/22/2003 10 $23.70 9 $215.73 0 $0.00 1 $2.37 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/23/2003 3 $7.11 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/24/2003 11 $26.07 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 3 $7.11 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/25/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/26/2003 6 $14.22 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/27/2003 7 $16.59 6 $143.82 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/28/2003 12 $28.44 3 $71.91 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/29/2003 10 $23.70 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
9/30/2003 11 $26.07 8 $191.76 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
10/1/2003 5 $11.85 5 $119.85 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 0 $0.00
10/2/2003 4 $9.48 4 $95.88 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 1 $23.97 0 $0.00
Stats when the the site switched to $9.95 per sign up and the stats being tracked by the sponsor. Account converted to per-sign up.
Date Raw Uniques Qualified Signups Ratio Payout
01-01-2004 3,054 2,758 703 4 1:175 $100.00
01-02-2004 3,509 3,149 835 2 1:417 $50.00
01-03-2004 3,230 2,871 768 1 1:768 $25.00
01-04-2004 3,297 2,944 773 1 1:773 $25.00
01-05-2004 3,681 3,317 827 0 N/A $0.00
01-06-2004 3,443 3,080 785 0 N/A $0.00
01-07-2004 2,364 2,077 557 0 N/A $0.00
It does look like your traffic from 1-5 to 1-7 has a problem, I'm not sure if our engineers fucked something up while we all were in Vegas. We just changed stats servers on Monday, so I hope they're aren't problems with stats. We shouldn't do that when we're out of town. Or maybe it's a fluke.
If you contact me next week when I get back, I'll look into it. I hope there's not a fuckup on the system, we are adding the PB Cash to the new stats system, so that may be it.
Regarding your shaving accusation, you are totally full of shit.
The stats from August are from a different processor and a different period. They are from trails and rebills, and your second stats are non-trials and a very limited time period.
Your are cordially invited to visit our offices and look at our systems and code, we have nothing to hide.
And it's pretty low to do this shit, if it's even real, Miln.Last edited by Lensman; 01-07-2004, 10:36 PM.Comment
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That's all you have to say?Originally posted by Lensman
Date Signups Amount Rebills Amount Referrals Amount Refunds
It does look like your traffic from 1-5 to 1-7 has a problem, I'm not sure if our engineers fucked something up while we all were in Vegas. Or maybe it's a fluke.
Regarding your shaving accusation, you are totally full of shit.
The stats from August are from a different processor and a different period. They are from trails and rebills, and your second stats are non-trials and a very limited time period.
Your are cordially invited to visit our offices and look at our systems and code, we have nothing to hide.
And it's pretty low to do this shit, if it's even real, Miln.
I guess you are more settler than fighter.
Not even going to protect your bullshit?
Your BS walked too far.
I'm going to proceed with a legal action unless you show the real stats and pay off all the difference and no, I'm not comming back to your program.
There is no difference whether it was a fluke or it was shaving, the outcome is the same - you keep webmaster's money and it's your fault.
This is your first and last chance.Last edited by Mlin2; 01-07-2004, 10:35 PM.Comment
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man, honestly, 1:658 with only 5000 qualified uniques is quite ok, hell even with 20000 uniques it's ok too...Originally posted by Mlin2
Why would adult.com keep the tour that converts 6 times worse than the previous one ? In that case they would put the old tour back.
I understand you are trying to think of all the possibilities. I've done it, don't waste your time.
If you doubt shaving, a smart thing to do is to pay attention to the sign up ratio at least.
http://www.royalwhois.com/images/shaven0.gif
Do you think it's ok to convert 20,281 uniques to 8 sign ups when the traffic is being just redirected from another adult domain like in this case - www.10dollargirls.com - a simple traffic redirection of a highly targeted traffic ? Are these convertions ok with you?Comment
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That 658 'qualified' hits were converting to an average of 6 sign ups when the site was charging $29.95 per month and when statistics were being tracked by ibill.comOriginally posted by Nickless
man, honestly, 1:658 with only 5000 qualified uniques is quite ok, hell even with 20000 uniques it's ok too...
See screenshots.Comment
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And does the adult.com affiliate account with $200 balance is also a joke? A fake account created by another webmaster?Originally posted by Lensman
I just checked, and Miln2 is a fake character created by another webmaster here.
Or is it the account of a webmaster who've been promoting AP for over 6 month now and sent 1000s sign ups there?Comment
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Mlin, have you considered the thought that the surfers are reacting badly to the price change?
Normally you would think that surfers would jump at something that was priced so much lower, but that's not always true. An overwhelming majority of the public associates price with value.
A $30 site gives the impression that it really must kick ass inside to be priced so high. There must be tons of content in there and live video and all kinds of things that only the most expensive sites have.
A $10 site, on the other hand, gives the impression that it's so cheap because there isn't shit inside. Surfers doubt it based simply on the price, they think it's a rip-off. They expect to go inside and find 10 photo sets and a thousand attempts at getting them to pay more money for the really good stuff.
Never underestimate the power of PERCEPTION.Comment
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what kind of traffic source?Originally posted by Mlin2
That 658 'qualified' hits were converting to an average of 6 sign ups when the site was charging $29.95 per month and when statistics were being tracked by ibill.com
See screenshots.
dunno,maybe you miss the higher payout, find a different $30 per signup sponsor if that worked better for you.Comment
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Why would adult.com keep the tour that converts 6 times worse than the previous one?.
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exactly, don't forget that the whole $10 sites thing is very new, almost an experiment. i've heard lots of people having shitty results with it here.Originally posted by Carrie
Mlin, have you considered the thought that the surfers are reacting badly to the price change?
Normally you would think that surfers would jump at something that was priced so much lower, but that's not always true. An overwhelming majority of the public associates price with value.
A $30 site gives the impression that it really must kick ass inside to be priced so high. There must be tons of content in there and live video and all kinds of things that only the most expensive sites have.
A $10 site, on the other hand, gives the impression that it's so cheap because there isn't shit inside. Surfers doubt it based simply on the price, they think it's a rip-off. They expect to go inside and find 10 photo sets and a thousand attempts at getting them to pay more money for the really good stuff.
Never underestimate the power of PERCEPTION.Comment
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Man, I agree but if it were giving a much lower proffits, the would convert the site back to the original. I emailed them several times. Hoax said he has no idea why my sign us ratio dropped. And it it was the case Lensman would have said just said. Instead, as you can see he pulls another BS - that I'm kinda another a fake character created by another webmaster. Heh.Originally posted by Carrie
Mlin, have you considered the thought that the surfers are reacting badly to the price change?
Normally you would think that surfers would jump at something that was priced so much lower, but that's not always true. An overwhelming majority of the public associates price with value.
A $30 site gives the impression that it really must kick ass inside to be priced so high. There must be tons of content in there and live video and all kinds of things that only the most expensive sites have.
A $10 site, on the other hand, gives the impression that it's so cheap because there isn't shit inside. Surfers doubt it based simply on the price, they think it's a rip-off. They expect to go inside and find 10 photo sets and a thousand attempts at getting them to pay more money for the really good stuff.
Never underestimate the power of PERCEPTION.Comment
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I'm not sure of this so don't take my word for it, when the $10 program started people pointed out that there are prechecked cross-sales that you don't get credit for, again i don't know if it's the case with adult's program or a similar $10 program.Originally posted by Mlin2
Man, I agree but if it were giving a much lower proffits, the would convert the site back to the original. I emailed them several times. Hoax said he has no idea why my sign us ratio dropped. And it it was the case Lensman would have said just said. Instead, as you can see he pulls another BS - that I'm kinda another a fake character created by another webmaster. Heh.
if that's like that you feel the impact in $$$ but the sponsor doesn't since they have the difference covered with the cross/upsells.
sorry lensman if this is not the case here
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Ok, here is another faulse statement made above by Lensman:Originally posted by Lensman
The stats from August are from a different processor and a different period. They are from trails and rebills, and your second stats are non-trials and a very limited time period.
iBill stats showes Sign ups separately from rebills.
Don't try to fool anyone.
This thread alone will make up a solid case.
Thank you.Comment
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Was this from the typo domain amatuerpages.com or similiar ?
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I can understand your concern , but as you changed programs ( and ads ) for the amateurpages site, a 1/6 drop isnt unheard of, if i were you , first off i would have contacted lensman privately and made sure it wasnt a technical glitch, second i would have found a way to possibly continue using the old ad, Third if the ratio's drop , time to switch sponsors/sites.Originally posted by Mlin2
It's low to dump real shaving sponsors and it's not low to shave?
No comments.
Dont get me wrong i understand the feeling , the traffic is coming from the same places but the ratio's get worse and worse. Then its time to switch up.
I notice you have left out a gap in the stats ? perhaps you could shed light on this time period and why it was left out ? Its almost as if you chose the best of times and the worst of times to show us ?
First things first though , you should have contacted the sponsor first and then if your questions were not answered post away with your concerns.Comment
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Yes it was among the domains that were being redirected to AP and we have a printed permission from adult.com to use that typo.Originally posted by Brujah
Was this from the typo domain amatuerpages.com or similiar ?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=144642
It's been taken down by us as we no longer plan participating in their shaving program.
Other domains that were promoting AP were pointed toward other sponsors.
Domains that promote their 10 dollar sites will be repointed tomorrow as there are many domains to repoint.Comment




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