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Other shaving options still available to sponsors within CCBill?

01-07-2004, 12:06 PM

What about the other shaving options still available to sponsors within CCBill?

In particular, the "Account Suspension" option:

Currently a sponsor can mark an affiliate as "SUSPENDED" at will. The affiliate DOES NOT receive any notification that a suspension has occurred, and all signups are credited to the sponsor WITH NO REVSHARE GOING TO THE AFFILIATE. The sponsor can then "unsuspend" the affiliate account after a few hours or days and the affiliate will begin getting signup credit again. This means that a sponsor could shave 10% of all signups (and all the rebills from those signups) each month, simply by "suspending" an affiliate account for 3 days out of each month.

Question for CCBILL: When will affiliates be able to see whether our account has been "suspended" by sponsors? There is no practical reason to hide this info from us is there?

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01-07-2004, 12:11 PM

Its quite funny because up until a few days ago everyone used to always say go with CCBILL sponsors, no chance of shaving there

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01-07-2004, 12:16 PM

Probably so, but there are ways to cheat with virtually any program.

The thing is, you need to pick sponsors who you know and feel you can trust. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Check the reps..

Same could be said about practically any program out there. Watch your traffic and keep an eye on your stats. Believe it or not, there are more than most legitimate programs out there that see a real benefit in developing and maintaining long term relationships, for the good and success of all involved.

If you send me a member, you can bet your ass I'm going to do everything in my power to retain that member and get you paid, because I want your business, traffic and profit that you bring to the program.

Please don't turn a suspicious eye to every program using any certain processing option. It hurts everyone. Not everyone is a thief.

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01-07-2004, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Aza
Its quite funny because up until a few days ago everyone used to always say go with CCBILL sponsors, no chance of shaving there

What's really funny is that CCBill will completely own the market if they continue along the path fo full disclosure to affiliates.

Without affiliates there is only marginal need for a service like CCBill/Ibill/Verotel/ProBilling/Epoch/etc. The built-in affilaiate tracking and data management is the big value-add.

The easier it becomes for affiliates to see what is happening to the trafic they send to CCBill, the more traffic will get sent. Why would any affiliate choose to send traffic to another program?

Assuming you can get a merchant account, setting up a system to do fraud checks, bill CC# and rebill is pretty straightforward.

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01-07-2004, 12:22 PM

Same with probilling ,
You have the option to approve affiliate payments , if you dont , the payment is added to your balance .

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01-07-2004, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by elric
What's really funny is that CCBill will completely own the market if they continue along the path fo full disclosure to affiliates.

I agree with you 100%. Let full disclosure be the leading force. Honest programs will prevail, dishonest programs won't be able to compete and there will be more revenue across the boards with less sponsor jumping.

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01-07-2004, 12:28 PM

You know what? Webmaster programs can also change the joinpage every X hours. That way you won't get credit as well...

Really it's never 100% sure your sponsor is honest. But I agree this option is good to show as well...

This way at least CCBILL did everything to prevend shaving

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01-07-2004, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic

I agree with you 100%. Let full disclosure be the leading force. Honest programs will prevail, dishonest programs won't be able to compete and there will be more revenue across the boards with less sponsor jumping.

Yeah, without affiliate traffic there is nowhere near as much money for billers like CCBill.

Somebody at CCBill probably just took a look at their traffic data and realized that 85% was coming from independent affiliates.

The billers that take care of their affiliates will see traffic growth, the ones that screw us will wonder why the numbers are going down...

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01-07-2004, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by justsexxx
You know what? Webmaster programs can also change the joinpage every X hours. That way you won't get credit as well...

Really it's never 100% sure your sponsor is honest. But I agree this option is good to show as well...

This way at least CCBILL did everything to prevend shaving

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Exactly. It should be shown.

Can someone from CCBill respond to this thread?

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01-07-2004, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by elric
Somebody at CCBill probably just took a look at their traffic data and realized that 85% was coming from independent affiliates.

I think that's on the low side too.

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01-07-2004, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by elric
What about the other shaving options still available to sponsors within CCBill?

In particular, the "Account Suspension" option:

Currently a sponsor can mark an affiliate as "SUSPENDED" at will. The affiliate DOES NOT receive any notification that a suspension has occurred, and all signups are credited to the sponsor WITH NO REVSHARE GOING TO THE AFFILIATE. The sponsor can then "unsuspend" the affiliate account after a few hours or days and the affiliate will begin getting signup credit again. This means that a sponsor could shave 10% of all signups (and all the rebills from those signups) each month, simply by "suspending" an affiliate account for 3 days out of each month.

Question for CCBILL: When will affiliates be able to see whether our account has been "suspended" by sponsors? There is no practical reason to hide this info from us is there?

This is freakin worse then the shaving option. This might explain my 1 in 30 000 with some sponsors maybe? NEWS is getting worse every day. If your account is suspended we have the right to know why. Their should be an email sent to are inbox right away when this occurs with an explanation. Thx for the info...
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01-07-2004, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by pornjudge

This is freakin worse then the shaving option. This might explain my 1 in 30 000 with some sponsors maybe? NEWS is getting worse every day. If your account is suspended we have the right to know why. Their should be an email sent to are inbox right away when this occurs with an explanation. Thx for the info...

Yeah, I am hoping someone from CCBill will respond to this thread. There is NO practical reason why this info should not be made available to affiliates.

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01-07-2004, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
If you send me a member, you can bet your ass I'm going to do everything in my power to retain that member and get you paid, because I want your business, traffic and profit that you bring to the program.

Problem is not everyone runs biz the same way. Honest paysite owners didn't get any credit for being honest now they have a chance of getting some credit (thou many other ways of monkeybusiness still remains open but 1 less is 1 less). CCBill should (and hopefully will) let affiliates know more about how they are being treated by their sponsors so honest webmasters can prevail. I don't understand why small proggies would do otherwise cos if affiliates don't get paid for their work they'd simply quit promoting = bigger loss than what they'd make extra thru monekybiz.

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01-07-2004, 01:17 PM

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I don't understand why small proggies would do otherwise cos if affiliates don't get paid for their work they'd simply quit promoting = bigger loss than what they'd make extra thru monekybiz.

Exactly. They're just cutting their own throat by cheating.

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01-07-2004, 01:21 PM

Funny how everyone suddenly has a new nick.

Post some screen shots, that text seems very amateur, maybe written by a retard.
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01-07-2004, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by mikeeee
Funny how everyone suddenly has a new nick.

Post some screen shots, that text seems very amateur, maybe written by a retard.

Actually, it's straight out of the CCBill documentation (posted on the CCBill web site).

Here's a link: http://ccbillhelp.ccbill.com/content...stat_affil.htm

An excerpt:

"When consumers click a banner for a suspended Affiliate account, they will be redirected to the CCBill client's website. They will not be warned that the Affiliate site is invalid."

"... the Affiliate will not receive credit for referred sales."

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01-07-2004, 04:41 PM

Did CCBill ever respond to this? (maybe on another thread)

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01-07-2004, 06:52 PM

Humm...it's probabely there, for spam or fraud inquiry. Then i would understand why it's not transparent. However if that's the case, i think the option should be left to CCbill at the request of the sponsor, to be sure it's an honest process. I can see how this option can be abused...

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01-07-2004, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Antxx
Humm...it's probabely there, for spam or fraud inquiry. Then i would understand why it's not transparent. However if that's the case, i think the option should be left to CCbill at the request of the sponsor, to be sure it's an honest process. I can see how this option can be abused...

If you were concerned with spam or fraud, why would you allow those transactions to go through?

And why would you withold notification from the affiliate? That makes NO sense.

It's definitely a shaving tool.

Still no comment from CCBill on this.

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01-08-2004, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by elric

If you were concerned with spam or fraud, why would you allow those transactions to go through?

And why would you withold notification from the affiliate? That makes NO sense.

It's definitely a shaving tool.

Still no comment from CCBill on this.

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01-08-2004, 10:18 AM

I've never suspended an affiliate account, but the feature needs to be there. BUT, the affiliate needs to get an email saying they were suspended. I was suspended by two different ccbill 'sponsors' - amateur site owners who decided they had a beef with me personally. This pissed me off. I didn't even know until I tried to check my stats and couldn't log in. This needs to be fixed.. fine if you want to suspend an account, but with no notice or email?? Not right.

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01-08-2004, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Catalinas
I've never suspended an affiliate account, but the feature needs to be there. BUT, the affiliate needs to get an email saying they were suspended. I was suspended by two different ccbill 'sponsors' - amateur site owners who decided they had a beef with me personally. This pissed me off. I didn't even know until I tried to check my stats and couldn't log in. This needs to be fixed.. fine if you want to suspend an account, but with no notice or email?? Not right.

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I agree this needs to be fixed.

And currently, an affiliate whose account has been suspended would have NO WAY of knowing about the suspension - the afilliate would still be able to log in as usual. CLEARLY THIS IS A DECEPTIVE PRACTICE.

Still no comment from CCBill...

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