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  • KRL
    Entrepreneur
    • Oct 2002
    • 31429

    #1

    Patent Alert: Watch Out For This Company

    Tumbleweed Communications just successfully nailed eBay for patent infringement claiming they invented the process of sending people e-mails that have personalized links in the e-mails.


    Here's the story:

    Ebay Settles Patent Lawsuit With Tumbleweed Communications

    SAN JOSE, Calif. - Online auction giant eBay Inc. has settled a lawsuit alleging its online payment service had been violating a patent governing the personalized e-mail links sent to customers.
    The settlement includes a cross-licensing agreement between San Jose-based eBay and Redwood City-based Tumbleweed Communications Corp., which filed the suit against PayPal in May 2002. Tumbleweed later expanded the suit to include eBay after the auction service acquired PayPal for $1.5 billion. EBay has repeatedly denied Tumbleweed's allegations.

    Neither eBay nor Tumbleweed disclosed the financial terms of their licensing agreement. Tumbleweed had alleged PayPal violated its patents for sending personalized links through e-mail. PayPal uses the links to alert customers about a financial transaction.

    Tumbleweed, a tiny software company with less than $50 million in annual revenue, previously has used the same patent claim to obtain licensing agreements with several other companies, including Hallmark and American Greetings.

    "We are pleased to put our differences behind us," said Jeff Smith, Tumbleweed's chief executive officer.

    Ebay said it plans to work with Tumbleweed on ways to improve e-mail security.

    Tumbleweed's shares gained 49 cents Monday to close at $8.45 on the Nasdaq Stock Market, where eBay's shares rose $1.62 to close at $64.62.
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  • MetaformX
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2002
    • 6704

    #2
    stock buying time?

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    • serious
      Confirmed User
      • May 2003
      • 2594

      #3
      ugh, such bullshit
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      • KRL
        Entrepreneur
        • Oct 2002
        • 31429

        #4
        So if someone signs up for a site or a porn e-mail prog and you send them a confirmation e-mail you're violating this company's patent.

        Talk about a ridiculous thing to patent. Geeeez.
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        • Mr.Fiction
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2002
          • 9484

          #5
          The Patent Office is filled with idiots?
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          • Rorschach
            So Fucking Banned
            • Aug 2002
            • 5579

            #6
            Stupid fucking software patents.

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            • crockett
              in a van by the river
              • May 2003
              • 76818

              #7
              How about the adult lawyer that has a patent pending for checking age verifcation to enter a website.

              I think if this whole patent busniess isn't taken care of soon... the internet will become totally useless..
              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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              • sumphatpimp
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2002
                • 5235

                #8
                the internet is fast becoming a very dirty place.

                and the porn isn't whats dirty.

                now all the vultures come out of the woodwork looking for "protection money"

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                • SoundMan
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 3471

                  #9
                  Next you will here some guy says he has the patent on how to jerk off.

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                  • KRL
                    Entrepreneur
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 31429

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SoundMan
                    Next you will here some guy says he has the patent on how to jerk off.
                    or on taking a piss.

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                    • serious
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2003
                      • 2594

                      #11
                      looks like we need some major reform of the patent office..

                      or im going to have to start patenting rediculously broad ideas
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                      • flashfreak
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 4396

                        #12
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                        • gornyhuy
                          Chafed.
                          • May 2002
                          • 18041

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mystery Man
                          these patents are not invalidated.
                          Read that sentence.
                          Digest it.

                          Now, ask yourself:
                          Is it a)because its too early, and they WILL be invalidated, or b) this is the state of the market and there will be a lot more of this shit to deal with in the next 3 years?

                          I personally think its b.

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                          • hyper
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 5294

                            #14
                            they probably made more by their stock price rising $1.62 than it cost to settle

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                            • MetaformX
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2002
                              • 6704

                              #15
                              Originally posted by hyper
                              they probably made more by their stock price rising $1.62 than it cost to settle
                              most likely, but i dont knowe if that was expected

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                              • MegaPussy
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 243

                                #16
                                A small company with 50 mil in revenues? That's more than Acacia's 2002 revenues, I believe. Bad news when 'personalized links sent via email' are patented. Gotta be kidding me.

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                                • pradaboy
                                  sell me your banners
                                  • Dec 2003
                                  • 12931

                                  #17
                                  personalized links are patented??? no fucking way... this ain't gonna be Acacia II right?
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                                  • VeriSexy
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                                    •  Smokey The Bear 
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Dec 2003
                                      • 3880

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by SoundMan
                                      Next you will here some guy says he has the patent on how to jerk off.
                                      Your not violating my patent are you ? Its 25 cents a tug. Payable to Smokey Bear

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                                      • KRL
                                        Entrepreneur
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 31429

                                        #20
                                        There is no doubt in my mind the PTO is going to get kicked in the ass very soon and reformed top to bottom.

                                        These overbroad patents have got to go. Pretty soon it will be impossible to operate a business on the Internet without having to pay hundreds of companies in the process.
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                                        • - AFN -
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jun 2003
                                          • 3101

                                          #21
                                          That is such horseshit. What's next...some Arab dude claiming the patent for the Arabic numeral system (the one the world currently uses)? Lawyers, start writing those briefs! LOL
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                                          • GonePhishing
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 2474

                                            #22
                                            Damn... So I wonder what stupid thing someone will try to patent next.
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                                            • blackmonsters
                                              Making PHP work
                                              • Nov 2002
                                              • 21041

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by GonePhishing
                                              Damn... So I wonder what stupid thing someone will try to patent next.
                                              I just filed a patent for the technology of using text descriptions to link to a URL. You're all fucked now.

                                              Pay up bastards!!!


                                              This patent is even more bullshit then Acacia ever even dreamed of. At least the Acacia bullshit was...wait a minute... they both are the fucking dumbest patents I've ever heard of.

                                              What's really crazy is that these patents are standing up but look what happened to IBM and the PC!!!!!
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                                              • buddyjuf

                                                #24
                                                will be watching this stock...

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                                                • arial
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                  • 4012

                                                  #25
                                                  What's next? A patent on sending email or instant messages?

                                                  Edit: Just got a patent on posting on message boards. 25 cents per post please pay up!
                                                  Last edited by arial; 01-06-2004, 12:48 AM.

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                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                    Too old to care
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942

                                                    #26
                                                    So let's just look at this for a moment and think about what it could mean to us.

                                                    Ebay/Paypal are big enough to have crushed this and I'm sure prior art must exist, unless the patent was back before email was invented.

                                                    So Tumbleweed Communications now can say they licensed Ebay, might of been for $1 but they got the name behind them.

                                                    So now Tumbleweed Communications are loooking for low hanging fruit to start selling more licenses. Any ideas where they will come next?

                                                    I said 2004 will be the year of the patents, you either get up and unite to fight this or you can strart looking in the papers for new jobs.

                                                    We have to crush Acacia and those that licensed to prove to the Patent Firms we are a tough nut to crack.



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                                                    • Swanks
                                                      Marketing Consultant
                                                      • May 2003
                                                      • 811

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by sumphatpimp
                                                      the internet is fast becoming a very dirty place.

                                                      and the porn isn't whats dirty.

                                                      now all the vultures come out of the woodwork looking for "protection money"
                                                      Yea no shit, this is ridiculous. 2004 will be a fucked up year in many ways for the internet.
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                                                      • Que?
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 340

                                                        #28
                                                        When the A-holes could not make a honest buck themselves on the web, the had to resort to sueing those who could. In nature they are called parasites...
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