MORE DRAMA: I got FUCKED OVER BY DOCTOR DRE

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  • MadCap
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    • Aug 2002
    • 2357

    #1

    MORE DRAMA: I got FUCKED OVER BY DOCTOR DRE

    Where are my cards asshole I tried to be cool man but this is BULLSHIT you told me allmost 3 hours ago you were going to ups and you would find out whats going on. Not to mention the fact you avoided me for the last 2 days untill tonight. But this it enough man.


    FUCK YOU I WANT AT LEAST MY 30 FUCKING DOLLARS BACK FOR THE OVERNIGHT SHIPPIN I PAID YOU FOR WHEN THEY LEFT YOUR PLACE ON THE 30th.





    Normally I wouldnt care cause its only 100 bucks BUT FUCK YOU MAN for avoiding me. If it was a mistake you should have just told me NOT BITCHED OUT , LIED , AND NOW IGNORED ME.

    So I going to the vegas kinkos tomorrow and getting some tearoff business cards because I GOT FUCKED. BY THE GOOD OL DOCTOR
  • Spunky
    I need a beer
    • Jun 2002
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    #2
    Cracks open a brown pop

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    • juicylinks
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      • Apr 2001
      • 122992

      #3
      More details please

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      • JayJay
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        • Jun 2002
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        #4
        right I'll make the coffee

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        • Roald
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          #5
          I was almost going to bed but I guess sleep can wait


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          • juicylinks
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            • Apr 2001
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            #6
            Hurry up yo , I got the car service picking me up at 8:30 am tomorrow

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            • DarkJedi
              No Refunds Issued.
              • Feb 2001
              • 28301

              #7
              MORE DRAMA: I got FUCKED OVER BY DOCTOR DRE

              nigga please.

              lets hear the other side of the story.

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              • jimthefiend
                So Fucking Banned
                • Oct 2003
                • 18889

                #8
                ive cheesy popcorn and the regular shit, take your pick.

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                • juicylinks
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Apr 2001
                  • 122992

                  #9
                  UPS overnight from Canada to US with Sat delivery?

                  Give me more info , I know about shipping stuff.

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                  • picpile
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                    • Nov 2001
                    • 734

                    #10
                    icq me 153759411 I can have your shit ready for you when you get here.

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                    • MadCap
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 2357

                      #11
                      Originally posted by juicylinks
                      More details please

                      I ordered some cards from him in his last chance before vegas thread last week everything was fine This was on the 27th he said they were goin to press the next day and he would contact me when they were shipped i assumed a day or 2.


                      I paypaled the money again everything was fine.


                      Getting ready for vegas so trying to get my ducks in a row I fianally contacted him on the 30th asking what was up.

                      He said everything was shipped today so since i paid for overnigh i figured i would have them the next day. WRONG tried to icq with no response. I emailed it bounced now his site is down.


                      Yesterday i icqed nothing.

                      Today i icqed saying what the fuck is up. I want a tracking # im leaving tomorrow for vegas. Nothing.


                      Hit him up 3 more time finally got a response saying ahhh man im busy as hell i have papers all over my desk ill check it and get back to you.

                      That was at 4pm cst


                      443pm cst i hit him back saying wtf

                      445 he answers with this



                      Doctor Dre (4:45 PM) :
                      I'm not avoding you I must be at the post office by 6 and I'm wraping up shit I got like 15 orders to be sent by tomorow .
                      Doctor Dre (4:46 PM) :
                      and I got about 40 tracking #s to find it in so I can't spent the next half an hour looking for them when I'm loosing the next plane ... so I'ma look for it don't worry


                      So i say


                      MadCap (4:48 PM) :
                      thats cool man i am just getting nervous as i leave tomorrow and my package should have been here allready and its not

                      So i hope you understand im not pissed off yet just nervous about getting my cards cause if i dont get them today it was a waste orf time and money and thats not cool if they are at a warehouse somewhere i need to know so i can get them
                      MadCap (4:48 PM) :
                      ill be waiting here for ya man let me know



                      acouple more bullshit replies as i wait the he fuck up and types in the wrong window calling me someone else.



                      gives me some sort of tracking # then says this


                      Doctor Dre (5:21 PM) :
                      yea but their tracking #s is bullshit all the time they are always 2 days late . Ask clement they said his shipement was arriving the 2nd and it arrived the 30 th
                      Doctor Dre (5:21 PM) :
                      they are slow as fuck updating it
                      Doctor Dre (5:22 PM) :

                      everything was shipped the 31th
                      Doctor Dre (5:22 PM) :
                      anyways I'm out I'm going straight up to UPS . I have lot of pakages to ship and I had like 10 late pakage I will see hwat the fuck is up with them . I'l be back in an hour

                      Now mind you he told me on the 30th that the shit went out I have that icq log as well but its on my lap top.


                      then i say

                      MadCap (5:23 PM) :
                      ok but i paid for 1 day shipping so it shouldnt matter should it
                      MadCap (5:29 PM) :
                      ups says it was not picked up with that tracking #
                      MadCap (5:31 PM) :
                      do you have another one or what they are telling me that there was no package scanned in with that #
                      MadCap (5:32 PM) :
                      Im on the phone with them now and they say it was not scanned or shipped
                      MadCap (5:36 PM) :
                      What the fuck man they have no record what so ever The # was entered by you but the package was never picked up

                      So i guess Im just fucked for vegas huh.

                      And now the cards are worthless to me you need to call these people and figure out what the fuck is going on with my shit man i did not pay for this and the extra for the shipping to get fucked here man you said in your post get your cards for vegas and I dont have mine this fucking sucks
                      MadCap (5:40 PM) :
                      They also said if they picked it up on the 30 it should have been here on the 31st
                      MadCap (5:56 PM) :
                      Not available or not if I cant get this resolved in the next hour whether it takes you calling them or what I want my money back this is completely unacceptable And dont tell me its ups's fault i dont think they would be in biz if they did things this way i have sent hundreds of packages with them and have never had 1 problem
                      MadCap (6:03 PM) :
                      Hey dude im not trying to be a dick about this but i hope you can understand why i am upset just hit me up when you get back please.
                      MadCap (7:58 PM) :
                      Its been way more than an hour man what did you find out a ups bro
                      Message was sent. User is Offline.The message will be delivered when user goes Online. For more information: http://www.icq.com/faq/offlinemsg.html



                      and thats where im at now fuck with no cards for vegas.

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                      • MadCap
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2357

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DarkJedi



                        nigga please.

                        lets hear the other side of the story.

                        There aint no other side to the story holmes THATS IT I GOT SCREWED.

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                        • - Jesus Christ -
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                          • Mar 2003
                          • 7197

                          #13
                          Jesus is watching.

                          Amen

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                          • juicylinks
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Apr 2001
                            • 122992

                            #14
                            Yo was it UPS overnight from Canda to US??

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                            • MadCap
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 2357

                              #15
                              Ups tells me he entered billing info on the phone on the 30th the day he said he shipped them but the corresponding tracking # was never scanned and ups told me that it was setup for express dilivery and that if it left qubec on the 30th it would have been in mpls on the 31st.

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                              • MadCap
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                                • Aug 2002
                                • 2357

                                #16
                                Originally posted by juicylinks
                                Yo was it UPS overnight from Canda to US??

                                yes and the lady at ups said qubec to minneapolis is overnight

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                                • juicylinks
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Apr 2001
                                  • 122992

                                  #17
                                  Madcap hit me up with the tracking number i ship UPS , Fedex all the time with my book biz , Ill see if I can decipher for you whtas going on 116999839

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                                  • MadCap
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 2357

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by MadCap



                                    yes and the lady at ups said qubec to minneapolis is overnight

                                    and it says on the ups site with the tracking # it is express which like i said the lady is over night.

                                    He setup billing but either way i should have the shit by now and ups says the package was never checked in just setup to be shipped. Not actullay shipped

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                                    • AcidMax
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                                      • May 2002
                                      • 1827

                                      #19
                                      I used http://www.48hourprint.com for some stuff and they rocked. I had my cards full color both sides done for like $55, they had the cards printed and to me in like 4-5 days.
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                                      • Fletch XXX
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                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 60840

                                        #20
                                        why try and rush-buy cards from some kid on a board? let alone who calls themself, 'Doctor Dre' hahaha 15 orders x 30$, eh lunch money at least ;)

                                        dont you people have printer places around you?

                                        takes all but a couple days and a couple bucks to get real cards done by professionals and not some person on a board. ;)

                                        leave the house some time, you can get things done much quicker, and cheaper!


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                                        • Theo
                                          HAL 9000
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 34515

                                          #21
                                          MadCap,i can tell you that dre didn't try to screw you and probably he is not familiar with shipping items or possible too your package to arrive anytime now

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                                          • wyldblyss
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Nov 2003
                                            • 5779

                                            #22
                                            If you have a printer you can buy the blank cards at Business depot and print some up yourself. Hey, honestly, they don't come out bad at all and they are better than nothing.

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                                            • MadCap
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 2357

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                              MadCap,i can tell you that dre didn't try to screw you and probably he is not familiar with shipping items or possible too your package to arrive anytime now

                                              Man he seems like a good guy I hope he didnt fuck me either but it is just pissing me off that hes playin me off and ignoring me.

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                                              • MadCap
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 2357

                                                #24
                                                And in having juicy do some research for me it looks like incompitance my have been at fault but Im still fucked out of my cards for vegas. And like i said thats not even that big of a deal it just the fact he is not intouch to at least say sorry man i fucked up or some shit. I mean he specificly told me 1 day shipping and if it is because he fucked up fine but dont play me off man that type of shit just gets to me

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                                                • DarkJedi
                                                  No Refunds Issued.
                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                  • 28301

                                                  #25
                                                  Dre is a good guy,
                                                  pretty strange that you got into such misunderstanding.

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                                                  • webgurl
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                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 7954

                                                    #26
                                                    right now because of weather conditions in lots of areas in canada and US , there are many courier services that are late. Happened to me twice last week

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                                                    • Rorschach
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 5579

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                      leave the house some time
                                                      Blasphemy!

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                                                      • juicylinks
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                        • 122992

                                                        #28
                                                        Guys i checked the tracking info for him via UPS.

                                                        Seems there was a shipping blunder and possible insufficient customs documentations ( Any forms not filled will cause a delay )

                                                        For international , us to ca you need appropraite paperwork so it flows through customs , anythin not having it gets kicked aside for "manual inspection , processing " thus a delay

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                                                        • Stallion
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                                                          • Jan 2001
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                                                          #29
                                                          Juicy knows his shipping shit
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                                                          • webair
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jimthefiend
                                                            ive cheesy popcorn and the regular shit, take your pick.

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                                                            • reynold
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                                                              #31
                                                              what cards are these for?

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                                                              • webair
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by juicylinks
                                                                Madcap hit me up with the tracking number i ship UPS , Fedex all the time with my book biz , Ill see if I can decipher for you whtas going on 116999839
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                                                                • MadCap
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Thanks again for all the help JUICY

                                                                  LONG LIVE THE GUIDO




                                                                  DRE
                                                                  I wish you would have come straight up with what was going on man. I would have had you just ship them to vegas bro now i will have to pay another 30 bucks to get em there. No big deal just a hassle. I really liked the layout and design you did on them and was hoping to do more biz with you in the future but i dont know after this episode.

                                                                  It looks like they are in ups hands now and even if they get here mon ill hve em in vegas by tues I guess

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                                                                  • MadCap
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                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 2357

                                                                    #34
                                                                    You know the more i sit here and stew on this the more anoying its getting.

                                                                    Man you have really fucked things up for me bro by missleading me to the fact that you could heve them here in an overnight fassion. I just didnt need this headache right now thanks again bro.

                                                                    And i want my money back for the overnight shipping .
                                                                    and nextime use fedex man.

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                                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      HEY! Hold on!!

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                                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                        #36
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                                                                        • lynch1000s
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                                                                          • Mar 2001
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Here are some posts about doctor dre, if you click on the one by nic, asking to get ahold of dr. dre, you'll notice that he has a history of not returning payments.

                                                                          http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/se...der=descending

                                                                          Picpile, you shouldn't talk either, you tried to steal my money once, but you did return it (only because I hacked your password: king69).

                                                                          Good luck

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                                                                          • Basic_man
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                                                                            • Pleasurepays
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              if you don't get your business cards... the terrorists win.

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                                                                              • GrimShawn
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                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 8120

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Madcap get me on icq bro.

                                                                                Docter Dre had given me the run around as well. Keeps getting on ICQ saying they are shipped and that he'll have the details as well. Then logs off and nothing. I'm the last person you want as an enemy.

                                                                                What's the deal?

                                                                                My shit is all paid off, and then he started asking what hotel I was staying at and what not. Why does that matter? I need them for vegas. ACK

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                                                                                • SureFire
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                                                                                  • Jan 2003
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by MadCap
                                                                                  You know the more i sit here and stew on this the more anoying its getting.

                                                                                  Man you have really fucked things up for me bro by missleading me to the fact that you could heve them here in an overnight fassion. I just didnt need this headache right now thanks again bro.

                                                                                  And i want my money back for the overnight shipping .
                                                                                  and nextime use fedex man.

                                                                                  Look on the bright side, you may get a refund for the shipping mixup if the vendor f-up plus more. Most deals are made on a cocktail napkin than business cards.

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                                                                                  • Swanks
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                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                    • 811

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I feel your pain mang, Snoop Dogg jacked me on a pound just last week.
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                                                                                    • Rictor
                                                                                      Old Timer
                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 12208

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I ordered cards from Dr. Dre and got them on time. They look pretty nice too. Sounds like a shipping error that was out of his control.

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                                                                                      • GrimShawn
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                        • 8120

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Rictor
                                                                                        I ordered cards from Dr. Dre and got them on time. They look pretty nice too. Sounds like a shipping error that was out of his control.
                                                                                        yeah I've had friends order from there as well and got them on time. it's the lack of what's going on that bugs me

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                                                                                        • Doctor Dre
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                          • 51692

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          1st : I didnt avoid you it was Jan 1st and I had a party throwed down at a bar about 1 hour from there and I wasnt there the 1st and the 2nd . Wich is normal a little bit its the hollidays and everything got sent out BEFORE THAT .

                                                                                          If any1 there got family and had parties and dont live their lifes on their computer I think they would just go away from the bizz on christmass and jan 1 st at least . So sorry for beeing with them that day .

                                                                                          We rushed out the cards and worked till 3 am (you can ask grimshaw he was in contact with Mario all night the 30th)

                                                                                          Ups didnt even came Just got woke up by Grim Shaw calling me about this thread...

                                                                                          Ok 1st of all UPS has been late on us in the past few days I guess its because of the hollidays but their tracking #s werent accurate and they brough 2 parcel a day late so far . Clement got his cards one day late and their UPS tracking # was saying they were getting the cards the 2nd and they got it the 30th.

                                                                                          Anyways if any1 want to reach me I will be at my office tomorow morning and I got all the tracking #s there .


                                                                                          And I explained to you why I was away from 7 . I was shipping out other peoples stuff .

                                                                                          Ask mailman, sherms shack, webmaster (11403900), lady misscheif).

                                                                                          I did a mistake once with Ragnar and he got refound as soon as he asked his money back . We took too many days to send out the order .

                                                                                          Anyways I g2g to sleep now I just wanted to say that I did not scam any1 and every1 can call me at 819-777-4312 tomorow in the day .
                                                                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                          • Doctor Dre
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 51692

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by juicylinks
                                                                                            UPS overnight from Canada to US with Sat delivery?

                                                                                            Give me more info , I know about shipping stuff.
                                                                                            I brough everything b4 7 pm . The plane left 30 mins later (ups is next to the airport) . We tried to catch it up for some other pakages (wich not belong to any1 in that thread) we had rushed after we shipped everything else but couldn<t .

                                                                                            If any1 cannot get their cards on time well certainly work something out . None of you are gonna be left over .
                                                                                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                            • Doctor Dre
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 51692

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Ok I just talked to my parthner . Everybody who won<t get their cards on time will get their cards for the price of the shipping (free cards we only keep shipping) .
                                                                                              Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                              I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                              • Sharky
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                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                • 4938

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Printing companies are a bitch to deal with!

                                                                                                Although it sounds like Dr. Dre does his own shipping and printing, let me tell you my ordeal.


                                                                                                We had about 10 biz card orders that were submitted this week.some submitted Monday(29th) and some on Tuesday(30th). according to the printing company, anything submitted on Tuesday by 8PM would be shipped on wednesday the 31st before 4PM due to the Holiday.

                                                                                                well. long story short.. the cards submitted on Monday were shipped and received fine today by my clients. The cards submitted Tuesday were never shipped. The printing company tells me that Fedex didn't pick up on wednesday for some reason and it's not their fault. The hell it's not.

                                                                                                So I am running around today to get this shit done.

                                                                                                Solution: Air Cargo
                                                                                                we are shipping one order Air Cargo to Vegas, and I will have a courier pick it up and deliver it to my client at his hotel.
                                                                                                We are shipping the other 5 orders to Cali where my client lives. He will get them early in the day and his flight leaves late in the day.

                                                                                                It was hell to figure out, but we did it!
                                                                                                Sharky

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                                                                                                • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                  • 51692

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Yea but its a bitch to deal with shipping right now . We are new to online selling . We are already fucking huge locally but we realised that the delays are harder and we have to rush out every order . Anyways if any1 dont have their cards on time they will get refound.
                                                                                                  Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                  I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                  • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                    • 51692

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by sharky

                                                                                                    well. long story short.. the cards submitted on Monday were shipped and received fine today by my clients. The cards submitted Tuesday were never shipped. The printing company tells me that Fedex didn't pick up on wednesday for some reason and it's not their fault. The hell it's not.
                                                                                                    Ups did this to us once . Hopefully it was lot b4 vegas so everythign got there on time.
                                                                                                    Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                    I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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