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Filing Unemployment on ARS! Get Paid!

01-02-2004, 04:18 PM

Since I didn't send in my W9 info yet, my account with ARS is frozen. So I guess they have to withhold tax on me which makes me an employee instead of a reseller. Since I can't get paid then I guess I was terminated by "no fault of my own" because I don't have a fax, or a printer or acrobat reader to process the form. They had they option of mailing me the form so it's not my fault right?
This makes me eligible for unemployement...right?

I think ARS made a strategic mistake by declaring resellers as contractors instead of classifying us as retailers of their products.
As retailers we are only required to provide a tax id or SSN.

What if I refuse to file a W9 or drop dead or something?
Will the IRS hold ARS responsible for not withhold taxes and failing to pay into the unemplyment fund and matching Social Security taxes for the last 5 years.

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01-02-2004, 04:23 PM

jesus man, stop trying to figure out ways to cheat the system and sign the damn form
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01-02-2004, 04:25 PM

I find it silly to require a fax when everyone else can do it online. I signed up with them the week they 'bought' GFY, but I never bother to promote the program. No reason now, too many hurdles.

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01-02-2004, 04:26 PM

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01-02-2004, 04:28 PM

normally all sponsors just send you a 1099 tax form - misc income and you just submitt it to your accountant..

Never heard of this ARS stuff unless last year you did not files yours ?
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01-02-2004, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by picpile
jesus man, stop trying to figure out ways to cheat the system and sign the damn form
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01-02-2004, 04:36 PM

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jesus man, stop trying to figure out ways to cheat the system and sign the damn form

How is that cheating? They held his money no?

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01-02-2004, 04:37 PM

Actually if they have your SSN, they could send you a 1099 and then it's your ass! And I can guarentee they have your SSN! So you're gonna end of paying them!!

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01-02-2004, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by blackmonsters
Since I didn't send in my W9 info yet, my account with ARS is frozen. So I guess they have to withhold tax on me which makes me an employee instead of a reseller. Since I can't get paid then I guess I was terminated by "no fault of my own" because I don't have a fax, or a printer or acrobat reader to process the form. They had they option of mailing me the form so it's not my fault right?
This makes me eligible for unemployement...right?

I think ARS made a strategic mistake by declaring resellers as contractors instead of classifying us as retailers of their products.
As retailers we are only required to provide a tax id or SSN.

What if I refuse to file a W9 or drop dead or something?
Will the IRS hold ARS responsible for not withhold taxes and failing to pay into the unemplyment fund and matching Social Security taxes for the last 5 years.

i never liked that contractor designation either.

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01-02-2004, 04:39 PM

Canada! It's no more than 2000 miles due north. No ARS payment
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01-02-2004, 05:06 PM

hmmm so that is why I get:

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01-02-2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by JDog
Actually if they have your SSN, they could send you a 1099 and then it's your ass! And I can guarentee they have your SSN! So you're gonna end of paying them!!

1099's suck too!

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Actually they did send a 1099 and I filed it as required by law. It was the act of sending us 1099 that made the IRS require the W9.

1099 is not the way to do this because I don't actually do any work for ARS. If I did then they could claim that they own the work. But they don't own my sites. The fact that I put one of their banners on my site doesn't mean that I am doing work for them. If I worked for them then they could tell me which banners to put up or take down. And any site I made would be under contract to them and it would actually be their property.
No true contractor could work for a company and then leave the company and take all the work with them. They would be sued and lose in 2 seconds. I no more contract to ARS then the owner of a 7-11 contracts to budwiser. 7-11 resells the beer but they don't file a W9 with Budwieser. That would be fucking stupid.

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01-02-2004, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by picpile
jesus man, stop trying to figure out ways to cheat the system and sign the damn form

If it's true then it ain't bragging and if it's leagal then it ain't cheating.

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01-02-2004, 05:47 PM

Well, if i remember my contractor stuff from a few years ago. Withholding tax on someone who does not file the form is a gov't regulation, it does not make you an employee, it just makes you a non-form-filing contractor and as such ARS has to withhold the funds.

The gov't wants to make sure they get their money and of course they will go to any length to get it including making ARS withhold taxes from you.

Your theory sounds great but alas it doesn't hold water.
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01-02-2004, 05:57 PM

if you don;t sign it, and ars pays you the full amount, you don't pay the tax, the IRS can hold ars accountable for your taxes.

Same thing here in nevada, if you win big, they make you fill out tax forms, otherwise the casino would get stuck paying the taxes
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01-02-2004, 05:58 PM

Check with the federal Labor Standards Act and "shepardize" it plus contact a local attorney before jumping to conclusions.
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01-02-2004, 06:09 PM

ya.. i bet ars had thousands and thousands of accounts with like 200 - 500$ in them from people.. and they didn't fax over the shit because they didn't have time or something and it was xmas almost and all kinds of shit.. people have po box's and don't check it often. and now ars gets to keep the money... they prolly got alot from doing this.. and it's only a few hundred bucks each person and under their rules it's legal. so.. you got caught slipping.. you got jacked bitch! lucky you didn't die.. porn is no different then the street
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01-02-2004, 06:13 PM

I knew a company that did something like this in telemarketing and the IRS came after the company not the individuals for all the taxes since they were re-classified from not being independent contractors to employees. It ended up costing them a lot of money.

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01-02-2004, 06:18 PM

Create a corporation and stop trying to nickel and dime ARS with semantics.

Here's the definition or "independent contractor"

Independent Contractor ? People such as lawyers, contractors, subcontractors, public stenographers, and auctioneers who follow an independent trade, business, or profession in which they offer their services to the public, are generally not employees. However, whether such people are employees or independent contractors depends on the facts in each case. The general rule is that an individual is an independent contractor if you, the payer, have the right to control or direct only the result of the work and not the means and methods of accomplishing the result.

ARS doesn't tell you how to generate traffic, where to host your sites, what hours you will be working, etc. You ARE an independent contractor.

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01-02-2004, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by KRL
I knew a company that did something like this in telemarketing and the IRS came after the company not the individuals for all the taxes since they were re-classified from not being independent contractors to employees. It ended up costing them a lot of money.

Did the telemarketers all work at the same physical location?

Did the company set the hours the employees would work?

Did the company control the way the work was performed?

I'm guessing the answer to all the above questions is Yes. So they would actually be employee's and not independent contractors.

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01-02-2004, 06:48 PM

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Did the telemarketers all work at the same physical location?

Did the company set the hours the employees would work?

Did the company control the way the work was performed?

I'm guessing the answer to all the above questions is Yes. So they would actually be employee's and not independent contractors.

WHoa, I didn't know this would be so serious.
ARS doesn't even owe me any money. My account with them is empty and I only send traffic from links that I can't even find anymore.

I do think you might be stretching a bit. I doubt that Yahoo would send me a W9 if they decided to put up my banner. I think they would give me a tax id and I would report that tax id to the IRS as payment for advertisment services similar to if I ran full page ads in the new paper all year. The new paper aint going to send me no W9.

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01-02-2004, 07:17 PM

When i promoted them a little over a year and half ago they sent the 1099 like usual. As far as filing, it all depends on where your at and how much you made that year.

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01-02-2004, 07:21 PM

Geezus the stupidity in this industry truely amazes me. Did some of you not graduate high school?

A strategic mistake? They are doing what the government ASKS them to do. Hey fuck face, did you even bother asking them to mail you a form since you do not have a printer? Did you find other options? It's your own damned fault.

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01-02-2004, 07:23 PM

hmmm technically if you are independent contractor for them, this means you get to write off your server bill, and any advertisement you pay to push them. the same way one can write off things as 'researcxh and development' when filing as independent contractor...

such as: schedule C, and if you dont make a certain amount per yeaR as independent contractor (what 700 bucks?) you dont have to file, this sounds weird on their end.

I have been an independent contractor for as long as I can remember, and have written off aN 8 X 8 size space as work area and have written off as much things as I can when applied to the trade... so if i am now independent contractor for ARS this means I can write off all materials used to fulfill this contract.

something sounds funny about all this...

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01-02-2004, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by washiez
Geezus the stupidity in this industry truely amazes me. Did some of you not graduate high school?

The problem is that most people around here haven't graduated high school YET.

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01-02-2004, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by gornyhuy

The problem is that most people around here haven't graduated high school YET.

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01-02-2004, 07:26 PM

thanks man, this has to be some of the funnest shit ive read in some time

btw, you are a fuckin moron. if you would devote half that effort into promoting ars you would make a fuck of alot more then what ever unempoyment pays

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01-02-2004, 07:28 PM

Did accounts get deactivated? if you falied to provide it?
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01-02-2004, 07:31 PM

I faxed mine in twice and it's still closed !

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01-02-2004, 07:38 PM

It's pretty simple...

IF YOU DON'T SIGN IT --

ARS will withold the pre-determined rate and give it to the IRS....

...Which will probably be much more than you actually owe... meaning - the reserve bank.. err I mean the IRS, gets to borrow your money interest free during periods where you could have re-invested it into your business (to make more money)

IF YOU DO SIGN IT --

Then ARS will pay you all your money & let you deal with your own accounting.

If you would really rather have them pay your taxes for you then you're dumber than this threads topic.

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01-02-2004, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by washiez
Geezus the stupidity in this industry truely amazes me. Did some of you not graduate high school?

A strategic mistake? They are doing what the government ASKS them to do. Hey fuck face, did you even bother asking them to mail you a form since you do not have a printer? Did you find other options? It's your own damned fault.

Yes I did ask them to mail me a form you stupid fuck.
This post is mostly a joke. I not going to file unemployment.
You dumb ass. None of us are even eligible for unemployment.
If you weren't so fucking stupid you would know that already and have snickered with the icon I put in the post.

Gee...you think I'm dumb at least I know a joke when I see one.

ARS doens't owe me shit!!!
I already said that too.

Gee wiz dude; get a life.

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01-02-2004, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by blackmonsters

If it's true then it ain't bragging and if it's leagal then it ain't cheating.

you better hope someone does not hide your check under your work boots.
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01-02-2004, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by brand0n
thanks man, this has to be some of the funnest shit ive read in some time

btw, you are a fuckin moron. if you would devote half that effort into promoting ars you would make a fuck of alot more then what ever unempoyment pays

I can't believe how many morons took this post seriously.

You can't be stupid enough to think I could file unemployment while I'm self employed. Damn; and you have the nerve to call me a name.

ARS doen't owe me a check!!!!
That's why I don't even care about filing out the stupid form.

I maybe have about two links to their program that I put up 3 years ago and can't even find them to delete them.

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01-02-2004, 08:06 PM

You're aren't an independent contractor. You are a company providing commercial space for sale that is paid either through revenue sharing or cost per aquisition model. Programs buy 'time' on your network otherwise you aren't treating your websites as an asset. You aren't providing professional services to the program.

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01-02-2004, 08:08 PM

There must be some pent up anger in some people to post all this name calling on this simple post which was nothing but a joke.

Somebody needs to get out of porn and find some real pussy.

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01-02-2004, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by blackmonsters
Since I didn't send in my W9 info yet, my account with ARS is frozen. So I guess they have to withhold tax on me which makes me an employee instead of a reseller. Since I can't get paid then I guess I was terminated by "no fault of my own" because I don't have a fax, or a printer or acrobat reader to process the form. They had they option of mailing me the form so it's not my fault right?
This makes me eligible for unemployement...right?

I think ARS made a strategic mistake by declaring resellers as contractors instead of classifying us as retailers of their products.
As retailers we are only required to provide a tax id or SSN.

What if I refuse to file a W9 or drop dead or something?
Will the IRS hold ARS responsible for not withhold taxes and failing to pay into the unemplyment fund and matching Social Security taxes for the last 5 years.

Pay your taxes & stop bitching. Open yourself a company & you will save allot in the long run....
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01-02-2004, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
You're aren't an independent contractor. You are a company providing commercial space for sale that is paid either through revenue sharing or cost per aquisition model. Programs buy 'time' on your network otherwise you aren't treating your websites as an asset. You aren't providing professional services to the program.

I think that angle just went over some folks head.
You prbably went to college just like me and that's why you get it.

Funny that ARS is the only one asking for W9...HEY!! maybe everybody else is wrong.

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01-02-2004, 08:17 PM

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01-02-2004, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
hmmm technically if you are independent contractor for them, this means you get to write off your server bill, and any advertisement you pay to push them. the same way one can write off things as 'researcxh and development' when filing as independent contractor...

such as: schedule C, and if you dont make a certain amount per yeaR as independent contractor (what 700 bucks?) you dont have to file, this sounds weird on their end.

I have been an independent contractor for as long as I can remember, and have written off aN 8 X 8 size space as work area and have written off as much things as I can when applied to the trade... so if i am now independent contractor for ARS this means I can write off all materials used to fulfill this contract.

something sounds funny about all this...

Yep.

I have had an account with them for almost 4 years and it was suddenly closed due to no form being filed out.

I never received an email requesting the form to be filed out. Any other company requiring a form will email you and tell you that you need to fill it out.

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01-02-2004, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
hmmm technically if you are independent contractor for them, this means you get to write off your server bill, and any advertisement you pay to push them. the same way one can write off things as 'researcxh and development' when filing as independent contractor...

such as: schedule C, and if you dont make a certain amount per yeaR as independent contractor (what 700 bucks?) you dont have to file, this sounds weird on their end.

I have been an independent contractor for as long as I can remember, and have written off aN 8 X 8 size space as work area and have written off as much things as I can when applied to the trade... so if i am now independent contractor for ARS this means I can write off all materials used to fulfill this contract.

something sounds funny about all this...

Interesting indeed, especially the "research and development".
Independent contractors usally submit a bill to the contracting entity. Hummm, maybe I've done $30,000 worth of research to determine which of their products convert the best. Hummmm? And if they don't pay I can write that off as a bad debt. Hmmmmmm????

Of course I'm kidding. Before the morons start in on me.
But ya know; in this biz somebody might actually try that.

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01-02-2004, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by picpile
jesus man, stop trying to figure out ways to cheat the system and sign the damn form

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