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Nothing really, they where just stealing Iraqi oil and refusing to stop there practice.Originally posted by bignasty
Well was Kuwait massing troops on the border with Iraq preparing for an invasion of Iraq? What did Kuwait do to provoke that war?Comment
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For example, on one board I was accused of being an anti-Semite because I questioned the practice of rabbis sucking blood from babies' penises, an accepted practice in Judaism.
SUCKING
In other words, any little criticism or question of Jews, the State of Israel, or the religion of Judaism, should not justify accusations of anti-Semitism; to be so blindly obedient to and defensive of any one religion, tradition, nation, or people, no matter what, is foolish and dangerous, in my belief, even if we happen to identify with them on some levels.
If we do that, we are no better than the Nazis or Communists or other fanatics who failed miserably throughout history.Comment
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I see. So, if the kurds start killing shiites, it's the US's fault?Originally posted by Roger
Perhaps you should look into who trained that militia, provided support and weapons. Yep, it was Sharon.
Yeah it's Israel's fault, besides the occupying country is the one responsible for the security.yesComment
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International Socialist Review - Now, that's a good source of informationOriginally posted by directfiesta
"Israeli forces surrounded the camps as the Phalange, with Israeli equipment, killed every man, woman, and child they could find. On September 17, two days into the slaughter, IDF officers met with Phalangist officers. The officers "knew that Phalangists would be in the camps (again) all night and that they were using bulldozers (to dispose of corpses); they also knew about the flight of panic-stricken civilians."27 About 3,000 Palestinian civilians were butchered in three days. Two Israeli reporters gave the following description:
In addition to the wholesale slaughter of families, the Phalangists indulged in such sadistic horrors as hanging live grenades around their victims' necks. In one particularly vicious act of barbarity, an infant was trampled to death by a man wearing spiked shoes. The entire Phalangist action in Sabra and Shatilla seemed to be directed against civilians....
We have had many accounts of women raped, pregnant women, their fetuses cut out afterward, women with hands chopped off, earrings pulled.28
Other if his glorious WAR accomplishment:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/17/Ariel_Sharon.shtml
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Today, in Iraq????Originally posted by PimpMeNot
I see. So, if the kurds start killing shiites, it's the US's fault?
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Even more if they supply the weapons....I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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You can hurl insults all day long, but the fact is, the British GAVE UP on Palestine because the situation became too hard to manage. There is ample documentation of Jewish terrorism prior to the creation of the State of Israel, and of human rights abuses after. Do a search on the UN website and you'll find plenty.Originally posted by Oracle Porn
Yet, another clueless moron.
The British GAVE the Jewish people the land of Israel... all the Jewish people should of done is taken it...and so they did.Comment
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Difference is that the US doesn't allow armed militias free access to shiite areas.Originally posted by PimpMeNot
I see. So, if the kurds start killing shiites, it's the US's fault?
Besides, who the hell created the Phalangists? If it wasn't for the Mossad, there wouldn't even be such a militia.Comment
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No, they gave up Israel because the Jewish people needed a place and the whole world agreed!Originally posted by Happy Dicks
You can hurl insults all day long, but the fact is, the British GAVE UP on Palestine because the situation became too hard to manage. There is ample documentation of Jewish terrorism prior to the creation of the State of Israel, and of human rights abuses after. Do a search on the UN website and you'll find plenty.
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No, they are just a buffer between the 2Originally posted by Roger
Difference is that the US doesn't allow armed militias free access to shiite areas.yesComment
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So weak arguments!!!Originally posted by PimpMeNot
International Socialist Review - Now, that's a good source of information
Here is a google link to over 10 pages, including from a rabbi I personally know:
google link: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie...e+Search&meta=
Rabbi Lerner opinion:
http://www.nimn.org/jewishper/ml1.html
Probably a false rabbi, or an islamic one...lolMany American Jews are responding to the election of Ariel Sharon as Prime Minister of Israel with sadness, mourning and disgust. When Ariel Sharon was forced to resign from his position as Defense Minister during the Lebanon War, most Israelis felt that they had finally rid themselves of a man whose record of violence could no longer be ignored. Though his troops only supervised but didn't personally do the shooting of the hundreds of civilians in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps, the Israeli public knew of his many other acts of terror (including massacres of civilian Bedoins in the Sinai). By standards now being applied in Kosovo and Serbia, Ariel Sharon should have been brought to trial for war crimes. Instead, he now has been elected Prime Minister.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Sure, is that why the British tried to stop ships with Jewish people from entering Israel?Originally posted by Oracle Porn
No, they gave up Israel because the Jewish people needed a place and the whole world agreed!Comment
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No, just one of those few thousands crazy Jews who are against the existence of Israel.Originally posted by directfiesta
Probably a false rabbi, or an islamic one...lol
I could find a few thousands crazy Canadians who are for the evacuation of all Indian occupied territories.yesComment
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Wasn't Sharon judged responsible by an Israeli court for the massacres? I guess the judges are biasedOriginally posted by directfiesta
Probably a false rabbi, or an islamic one...lol
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everyone talks about this issue as if there is an innocent party. i dont think there is. "right" and "wrong" is just a question of chronoligical order and where you decide to stop on the timeline.
who cares?
let them kill each other. I dont exactly see EITHER side... Palestinian OR Isreali saying "hey man, we need peace... we need International help, we need UN peacekeepers and we need to all just get along"
in fact, the opposite is happening... each side always has the same story... "we kill them because..."
its boring.
its old.
its the same arguements... the same defenses... the same blame games for thousands of years.
People outside of the region could not even begin to comprehend any more than Americans can claim to understand the trauma, devistation and suffering that occured in Europe during WWII.
Might makes right. Thats just a sad fact of evolution and the origin of our species.Comment
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Amazing how many people type it.... but ill never hear it from nobody in person...pussies
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The Jewish people were offered many places, including large sections of Germany.Originally posted by Oracle Porn
No, they gave up Israel because the Jewish people needed a place and the whole world agreed!
However, Zionists wanted Palestine, at the expense of native Palestinians, in order to fulfill their own plans of Manifest Destiny and to be able to declare Messiah at the chosen time.
Bringing Moshiach is the goal; if you are a Jew, you must agree.Comment
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Survival first. Peace second.Originally posted by directfiesta
Aside from obviously being Jewish, not to say Israeli, you are quite brainwashed.
On my side, my second wife was jewish. I was married to her 14 years. A rabbi and a cantor were performing the ceremony.
To get married under reform judaism, I attended integration courses , including the basic of hebrew language. I attended all high holidays, followed jewish customs including wearing the kippa ( maybe wrong spelling, but have no time).
I am still very good friends with her brother and father....
So if this is being anti ..., it shows you are a blinded idiot, as much as it shows in all your previous replies to threads " touching " Israel....
You still did not answer my questions: is this good for peace, YES or NO ???Comment
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Originally posted by Oracle Porn
No, they gave up Israel because the Jewish people needed a place and the whole world agreed!Start getting a general education before bluntly showing your ignorance....By the late 1930s, the British, who ruled Palestine under a League of Nations mandate, began to reverse their previous and somewhat vague support for the establishment for ?a homeland for the Jews? in Palestine. Menachem Begin, a leading member of the Betar, a far right Revisionist group, regarded military action against the British as both inevitable and necessary to secure a Jewish state in Palestine and the East Bank of the Jordan.
As the situation in Eastern Europe grew ever more desperate for the Jews, and the British sought to limit Jewish immigration to Palestine in an effort to gain support from the Arabs in the coming war against Germany, Betar joined forces with the Irgun?the National Military Organisation, the Revisionists? military wing. With no prospect of a Jewish state in sight, they argued that armed struggle against the British was the only way forward.
The Stern Group
In 1939, when war broke out between Britain and Germany, Avraham Stern, one of the leaders of the Irgun, who had studied in Italy and was an admirer of Mussolini, rejected any support for the British against Germany. He argued that the British were the main enemy. There was no difference between the Nazi-fascist states and the Western democracies, between communists and social democrats, between Hitler and Chamberlain, or between Dachau and Buchenwald and closing Palestine off to the Jews. When he failed to persuade the majority of the Irgun to support him, he broke with the Revisionist movement and his faction became known as the Stern Group.
While both the mainstream Zionists and the Revisionists supported the British against Germany and joined the British armed forces, the Stern Group opposed conscription of the Jews and went on to carry out armed robberies, murders, and terrorist attacks against both the British and the Arabs. It waged a campaign of terror aimed at driving out the British and establishing a Jewish state on the entire land of biblical Palestine, including Transjordan. With the Jews a minority in Palestine, such a state would necessarily mean expelling the Arab population to ensure its Jewish character.
In his support for the enemy of the British, Stern turned a blind eye to the anti-Semitism of the Nazis. The Stern Group?s policies and actions were opposed and condemned by the overwhelming majority of Jews in Palestine.
You can't re-write history to suit your beliefs....I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Maybe you should read the history,Originally posted by directfiesta
Read the History ( Kuwait was basically integral part of Persia, known as Iraq today).
1. Persia is Iran not Iraq, '
The country has always been known to its own people as Iran (land of the Aryans), although for centuries it was referred to as Persia (Pars or Fars, a province in southern Iran) by the Europeans, mainly due to the writings of Greek historians. In 1935 the Government specified that it should be called Iran; however, in 1949 they allowed both names to be used.
source http://www.art-arena.com/history.html
2.history of Kuwait
3rd century BCE: Greeks colonize the island Faylaka.
1710 CE: The traditionally counted foundation of Kuwait, when the city of Kuwait was established by immigrants (Aniza) from the Arabian peninsula.
note- Arabian peninsula is made up of
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Oman, and Yemen.
1756: The Sabah dynasty is established with a shaykh as the leader. The shaykhdom is nominally under Ottoman rule, but has de facto independence.
1899: When the Ottoman empire tries to take control over the shaykhdom with German aid, the shaykh asks for British assistance and protection, which he gets.
1914: Britain recognize the independence of Kuwait. Wahhabis of Najd in Arabia attack Kuwait after this.
1921: Peace between Kuwait and the Wahhabis is restored, after the British gave aid to Kuwait.
1922: Neutral zone established between Kuwait and Arabia.
1923: Borders between Iraq and Kuwait are drawn on the map.
1938: Petroleum is discovered.
1946: Gulf Oil Corporation, British and US owned, starts extraction of oil.
1951: The Kuwaiti shyakh gets control of half of the oil revenues, money that were used for developing the infrastructure and welfare services.
1961 June 19: End of British protection, the shaykh changes his title to emir.
? Kuwait joins the Arab League. Iraq objects strongly to this and claims that Kuwait is part of their territory.
? December: An assembly is set down to draft a constitution.
1963 January: The constitution is proclaimed. According to this, the emir has the executive power, organized with a group of ministers.
? January 23: A national assembly is elected.
? October: Iraq gives up its claim on Kuwait.
source http://i-cias.com/e.o/kuwait_5.htm
As far as the current situation , there will never be peace there until one side annihilates the otherThe starting point was basically that this type of policy in these days will NOT help solve the situation...'Comment
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Tell that to the Israeli people who get shot at by IDF soldiers while demonstrating with Palestinians hand-in-hand. Lots of people want peace and there sacrifices shall not be in vein. They both deserve to live happily in there country.Originally posted by Pleasurepays
who cares?
let them kill each other. I dont exactly see EITHER side... Palestinian OR Isreali saying "hey man, we need peace... we need International help, we need UN peacekeepers and we need to all just get along"
in fact, the opposite is happening... each side always has the same story... "we kill them because..."Comment
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Native Palestinians??? There is no such thing as a native Palestinian, there are Jews living is Israel that have roots dating back to before Jesus. Palestine is an invention of the league of nations and Great Britain.Originally posted by Happy Dicks
The Jewish people were offered many places, including large sections of Germany.
However, Zionists wanted Palestine, at the expense of native Palestinians, in order to fulfill their own plans of Manifest Destiny and to be able to declare Messiah at the chosen time.
Bringing Moshiach is the goal; if you are a Jew, you must agree.
The true Palestine is Jordan, which is 95% Palestinians and is ruled by a family who was introduced there in the late 40's by Saudi Arabia, as a gift from the Allied for "Service Rendered" during WW2.yesComment
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1938: Kuwaiti parliament vote to reunite with Iraq. The King refuses.Originally posted by bignasty
1938: Petroleum is discovered.
Why is it that everytime there's an important decision to be made in Kuwait, the parliament gets dissolved?Comment
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I don't want to get into a pissing contest, but :Originally posted by bignasty
Maybe you should read the history,
1. Persia is Iran not Iraq, '
http://members.aol.com/xpus/Iraq.htmlPersia. Between the New Babylonian Empire and the Empire of Alexander there was another brilliant empire of which both Iraq and Kuwait were part: the Persian. In 555 B.C., Cyrus the Great, a Persian prince, revolted against his Median overlords and united the Medes and
This is going way before my time...
Your article is also quite interesting.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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There is much documentation of non-Jews in that region being pushed off of their lands, having homes destroyed, etc. on the UN website, and even Bush has recently condemned such actions taken to establish Israeli settlements.Originally posted by PimpMeNot
Native Palestinians??? There is no such thing as a native Palestinian, there are Jews living is Israel that have roots dating back to before Jesus. Palestine is an invention of the league of nations and Great Britain.
The true Palestine is Jordan, which is 95% Palestinians and is ruled by a family who was introduced there in the late 40's by Saudi Arabia, as a gift from the Allied for "Service Rendered" during WW2.
This is not saying that there were no Jews in the region prior to this; it is saying that non-Jews who are in the region have suffered human rights violations under a new flavor of Manifest Destiny, a Zionist one, which has little to do with some Jews who have lived in the region for centuries.Comment
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Israel is the place for the jewish people...Originally posted by Happy Dicks
The Jewish people were offered many places, including large sections of Germany.
However, Zionists wanted Palestine, at the expense of native Palestinians, in order to fulfill their own plans of Manifest Destiny and to be able to declare Messiah at the chosen time.
Bringing Moshiach is the goal; if you are a Jew, you must agree.
Germany? Are you that stupid? Isn't that the place with the most nazi groups in the world? Isn't there where the holocast generated?
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No it's not, a country doesn't all of a sudden become the place for a people just because there ancestors lived in it. Do you see Americans taking over Britain?Originally posted by Oracle Porn
Israel is the place for the jewish people...
Germany? Are you that stupid? Isn't that the place with the most nazi groups in the world? Isn't there where the holocast generated?Comment
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WTF, why do ANY children have to die?Originally posted by PimpMeNot
Hey, I don't what you've been drinking today. Do you want to watch their kids die, or do you want to watch your kids die?
It's as simple as that.
Kill or be killed, fuck or be fucked; applied to the different level of life. Unless you live in a Disneyland dream...
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their sacrifices ARE in vain. the MAJORITY of people on both sides are clearly not interested in peace. Arafat is not interested in peace. Hamas is not interested in peace. Islamic Jihad is not interested in peace, Sharon and his government is not interested in peace, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is not interested in peace, Islam itself demands the Jews be destroyed and removed from the region.Originally posted by Roger
Tell that to the Israeli people who get shot at by IDF soldiers while demonstrating with Palestinians hand-in-hand. Lots of people want peace and there sacrifices shall not be in vein. They both deserve to live happily in there country.
why would you suggest thier deaths are not in vain? of course they are. I can protest against the rising of the sun all day long and get killed for that...but its pretty ignorant to hope the sun won't rise just to make some sense of my death.Last edited by Pleasurepays; 12-31-2003, 12:17 PM.Comment
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Ask YasserOriginally posted by Ironhorse
WTF, why do ANY children have to die?
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Not much to argue here about... the ugly thruth.Originally posted by Pleasurepays
there sacrifices ARE in vain. the MAJORITY of people on both sides are clearly not interested in peace. Arafat is not interested in peace. Hamas is not interested in peace. Islamic Jihad is not interested in peace, Sharon and his government is not interested in peace, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is not interested in peace, Islam itself demands the Jews be destroyed and removed from the region.
why would you suggest thier deaths are not in vain? of course they are. I can protest against the rising of the sun all day long and get killed for that...but its pretty ignorant to hope the sun won't rise just to make some sense of my death.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Interesting article there. Sure Iraq and Kuwait were part of the Persian empire, from being conquered. The Persian empire was started by Cyprus the Great. who founded Persia by uniting the two original Iranian Tribes- the Medes and the Persians. You can read more about it at history of Persia Iraq was the Babylonian empire. Here's a map for reference.Originally posted by directfiesta
http://members.aol.com/xpus/Iraq.html
This is going way before my time...
Your article is also quite interesting.
notice the Persian homeland in Iran.'Comment
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I've seen enough shit and dumb people in my life to know that you're right. Oh well, perhaps they will live peacefully in a century or so.Originally posted by Pleasurepays
there sacrifices ARE in vain. the MAJORITY of people on both sides are clearly not interested in peace. Arafat is not interested in peace. Hamas is not interested in peace. Islamic Jihad is not interested in peace, Sharon and his government is not interested in peace, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is not interested in peace, Islam itself demands the Jews be destroyed and removed from the region.
why would you suggest thier deaths are not in vain? of course they are. I can protest against the rising of the sun all day long and get killed for that...but its pretty ignorant to hope the sun won't rise just to make some sense of my death.Comment
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Originally posted by Happy Dicks
For example, on one board I was accused of being an anti-Semite because I questioned the practice of rabbis sucking blood from babies' penises, an accepted practice in Judaism.
SUCKING
In other words, any little criticism or question of Jews, the State of Israel, or the religion of Judaism, should not justify accusations of anti-Semitism; to be so blindly obedient to and defensive of any one religion, tradition, nation, or people, no matter what, is foolish and dangerous, in my belief, even if we happen to identify with them on some levels.
If we do that, we are no better than the Nazis or Communists or other fanatics who failed miserably throughout history.
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here is something i believe in.Originally posted by Roger
I've seen enough shit and dumb people in my life to know that you're right. Oh well, perhaps they will live peacefully in a century or so.
the "super organism"
Societies themselves act as organisms... much in the same way bacteria, viruses, single celled organisms or the most primitive life forms act. the first priority of any organism is its own defense and survival. it's to be expected. that is true of any society that faces any real threat. its next order of business is to grow, expand and procreate all of which better enable it to survive and thrive in the future.
survival of the fittest.
looking at the Middle East issue in terms of "right and wrong" is pretty silly in my opinion. it does not address the basic behaviors of a society and people that will not change.. that is the most basic instinct, hardwired into our beings that demands that the organism survives. in humans that means first as and individual, then children and then as a society.
I am not saying that Isreal is right to expand its borders and keep palestinians under their thumb. I am saying that it is a behavior that is quite normal and to be expected.
Finger pointing and blaming people for rights and wrongs will not change the basic behavior of Palestinians or Arabs wanting to increase their power and influence in the region and in the world... while diminishing that of Isreal. Palestinians as a general rule will not stop at mere "peace" or the existence of a Palestinian State. Instead, it that achievement will merely become a stepping stone to what they will hope to be bigger and better things... more power, more prestige, more influence and a better ability to lash out and increase their own sphere of influence, defend themselves, grow, evolve and eventually challenge its neighbors to ensure its own survival.
A society is a virus.
There cannot be peace in the region because religion and simple geography will not allow it. As long as Isreal exists right in the center of land that is sacred to two or more opposing religions... those religions that form the very glue that bond their societies together, its existence will always be a threat to its neighbors. Isreal cannot allow Palestinians to have their own state or to be strong... it would be the same as handing a handgun to a guy who is trying to rape you. No good can come of it. It will just increase the threat to Isreal which would go against primary directive of any organism - survival. that means minimizing or eliminating threats, not encouraging or strenthening them ..... not saying its right or wrong... just saying its a reality that is not addressed in the rhetoric and utopianistic views of how things should be.
The only real solution is the ugliest solution in my opinion. That is for them to fight and end it.
Peace as a general rule, comes through war.
I always bet on Darwinism.Comment
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why so many replied on fucken stupied subject ?
Enjoy the new year !!!
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when will we admit the fact that jews run USA?
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Israel is the place for Jewish people...says who, the Torah?Originally posted by Oracle Porn
Israel is the place for the jewish people...
Germany? Are you that stupid? Isn't that the place with the most nazi groups in the world? Isn't there where the holocast generated?
As if you really follow it.
Hahaha.
If people are persecuted in a certain region, that is the region they deserve. Nothing more, nothing less.
Hey, let's go help set up a hip-hop regime in Africa because Black people were persecuted in America.
That's just as stupid as what some of us are doing with Israel.Comment
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Thats a really retarded replay!Originally posted by AsylumN
Israel is the worlds biggets terrorist state, make no mistake about that.
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Man, you talk about these lands like it was the Brits' to give, and then everyone wonders why the arabs hate us?Originally posted by PimpMeNot
Native Palestinians??? There is no such thing as a native Palestinian, there are Jews living is Israel that have roots dating back to before Jesus. Palestine is an invention of the league of nations and Great Britain.
The true Palestine is Jordan, which is 95% Palestinians and is ruled by a family who was introduced there in the late 40's by Saudi Arabia, as a gift from the Allied for "Service Rendered" during WW2.
If anything, the British gave up their 'claim' to the region, no doubt while they were expecting the German invasion. Armies are not cheap you know.Comment
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Stupid comment. Everyone with an ICQ above 100 knows that the US is way worse.Originally posted by AsylumN Israel is the worlds biggets terrorist state, make no mistake about that.Video Ipod Porn Site with Affiliate Program. http://www.podies.com
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It already exists, its called Liberia.Originally posted by Happy Dicks
Hey, let's go help set up a hip-hop regime in Africa because Black people were persecuted in America.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
--H.L. MenckenComment
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Really? Everyone??? Gee whiz! It's awfully presumptuous of you to speak for me, don't you think?Originally posted by WebDork
Stupid comment. Everyone with an ICQ above 100 knows that the US is way worse."Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
--H.L. MenckenComment
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The disclaimer was IQ above 100. I didnt think that included you ?Originally posted by NetRodent
Really? Everyone??? Gee whiz! It's awfully presumptuous of you to speak for me, don't you think?
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When you "assume" you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me".Originally posted by WebDork
The disclaimer was IQ above 100. I didnt think that included you ?
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
--H.L. MenckenComment
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Actually - quoting that tends just to make an "ass" out of youOriginally posted by NetRodent
When you "assume" you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
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Sorry, I thought I needed to make it easy for you to follow the joke.Originally posted by WebDork
Actually - quoting that tends just to make an "ass" out of you
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
--H.L. MenckenComment
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Apology accepted.Originally posted by NetRodent
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