Spammers answer a couple questions

100 spammers

this is going nowhere

It's illegal for kids under 13 to communicate on the internet anyway. Why do you think on the GFY terms it says you have to be 13?

And 13 year olds are old enough to see porn if they want to, though they're probably smart enough to know they're not gonna get the free stuff from spam mails.

When I was 13 we used the good old usenet binaries groups and aol private rooms to get our porn.

Actually this is a great thread and will be useful for years to come. Now when someone asks "who are all the asshole spammers here?" people can say "go check out CD's thread, they're all there!".


Don't you love it when a plan comes together?

that ranks up there with the "I am a virgin" story.

But yeah I got out of spam for that very reason. Fuck TGP's though. It sucks coming out of a spam career unless you're a coder, cause if you've just been mailing using other peoples programs you really haven't learned any other skills other than maybe good selling techniques.

Learning all that coding and reverse engineering has proven to be invaluable to me though. It was a smooth transaction into SEO because it's just like trying to beat another system just like developing an AOL client or bypassing filters. Also I've been able to code some badass financial software and I'm doing better with SEO/investing than I did in spam.

If only other spammers could learn to use their game for good..... instead of evil.



(if "Get Smart" was still on the air I'm sure Don Adams would have said that very thing)

I guess I gave it up for good instead of evil. I had been making around $100-$200 a day aim spamming until recently but I stopped because my AOL account got cancelled. If I was still a teenager I would have just scammed some but I guess since I've grown up it actually seems like stealing.

Actually it barely makes sense in my head, but there's something in me that won't let me jack peoples accounts anymore.

OMG

And the "I live alone" <s>fable</s> story!

this post is going and going

DRAMA:

I have 3 opt in email lists. One is 200k in size and when I send it out I know that 95% of the people read it and one in 70 will sign up to my site. This is because it is a good newsletter. People email me asking to be on the list. If they are changing emails or putting spam arrest on they ask me to make sure the emails go through. This is because I only send the list out once per week for myself and do not sell the details on.

Here are some examples of my recent mailings:

http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/1/mailer.htm
http://www.ukpornchicks.com/mailer/6/debbie.htm

I have a few other lists 1 million plus of expired members. These I only get an 80% open rate and 1 in 2000 join.

You mean FF isn't a virgin? Well my perception of FF is just blown all to hell now

Don't listen to Furious_Male! I'm pure as snow!

OMG I almost fell off my chair from laughing so hard.... STOP STOP I have tears in my eyes

It's true!

I have no problem with opt-in whatsoever. As long as the "removal" link is working and honored at all times I don't see where anyone would have issues there.

However, from what I understand, the definition of "opt-in" varies among the chronic spammers. Like the spammer who buys a huge list from a seller who swears it is 100% "opt-in".... well, now that it's sold is it really still opt-in? Maybe those people opted in for <i>something</i>, but did they opt in for the crap the spammer is pushing? I doubt it. I think that when lists are sold they can no longer be considered opt in.

Furious_Female, im from upstate NY too.

I could stop by and inspect.

Yes it is true I am laughing hysterically right now

Stop by and pick me up on the way bro

I've been told I need a little Jesus in my life!

I get the impression you don't believe me!

If you believe the 'remove' crap in spam is really there to 'remove' you then you are a complete tard.

I'm a born-again virgin. That should count for something.





It's.... it's been so long.

I believe you... nothing but luv for ya darlin...

Feel better about yourself now? Twit. I'm not saying "what I believe" with regard to the removal link, I'm stating what is right and what is wrong, period.



It's hard to get a point across to those who can't understand the plainly written word. Ah well whatcha gonna do?

Awwwwww I love that emoticon!

::steals it::

Yes I don't get this one at all. I tell the spammer I don't ever click on the shit, I don't ever pay for his crap, I try to remove my email and the shit multiplies. Where is the logic here? This is wasting so many people's time and energy that these criminals really should be put away for a long time

That's as ignorant as saying US was founded by slavedrivers so slavery is ok

who's spamming



www.sleazybeavercash.com

www.sleazybeaverpatrol.com

When people ask me what i do i simply tell them i own my own buisness as i do and i work online or that im an online marketer. I dont only deal with spam but various other things online as well.

For those of you idiots on the other side of the fence who "think" you know what your talking about.. take some time to read what ive typed below, I know what im talking about and its based on experience and facts not media hype.

(broke into 2 posts)


Im a firm believer of bulk mailing responsibly. Use valid froms, a valid working remove link, process your removes, keep your campaigns nice and clean. Spam is frowned upon in our society yet people fail to realize in how many other ways we see spam daily.. POSTAL SPAM (hey thats bad on the enviroment and is much harder to dispose of), TV commercials, billboards, postboards, radio, people on street corners, telemarketers and i could go on and on.. Id like to go back to postal spam.. Pain in the ass isnt it? Youve got to walk to your mailbox, get it, throw it away then which takes up trashcan space or shred it if it contains personal information.. Now lets talk about "virtual mail", Pain in the ass? NO.. Easy to get rid of? YES.. A simple click of a mouse button and its gone..


Some of you may ask yourself, "Why am i getting this goddamn spam!!? I didnt submit to this shit!".. Well listen.. Its very simple and the most common mistake is imcompitent surfers not reading forms and watching what they are doing.. For example say you just buy this nice nifty little router from best buy and you fill out the form to send it for warranty, you see a selection for email, you think to yourself "Hey sweet i can be updated online about their products" yet you fail to notice the text stating (you may receive offers from our partners etc etc).. You know what this means now? This company now has your authorization to spam you, sell your email to other brokers who then can sell your email to additional bulkers and spam it to hell.. Ok so now your saying, "Well then all i have to do is remove myself then im fine!" Wrong! Not always this simple.. Now that your email has been passed around you must try to remove yourself from EVERY new offer you receive now and hope it wasnt passed to more organizations.. So your saying to yourself, thats fucked up they cant do this! Wrong! Yes we can do this and its 100% legal.. Now that was with a simple physical form... Lets say you sign up to a website and it asks for your email.. you fill it in and once again forget to read their TOS or AUP etc which states basically the samething ive stated above! Again its YOUR FAULT, so quit bitching and accusing spammers of wrong doing when you in fact werent smart enough to read it all!


Ok so now some of you may be saying well i didnt do any of that (rrright... play the innocent act..), ok ok.. Lets assume you posted your email on a website, BBS, or other online source.. Programs such as email harvesters can scour these links and the web for email addresses, but such ways arent always as affective. Ok Now ill explain such services as AOL,YAHOO,HOTMAIL.. With these services its almost impossible to not receive spam due to the poor poor infrastructure of them.. We are able to create internal programs that will harvest emails from these webmail services database whether or not you like it.. Is this your problem, No.. well yes.. GET A BETTER WEBMAIL SERVICE. Until they fix these issues be prepared to receive spam no matter what.


Alright now that weve discussed the most common ways of getting spam Ill explain how to reduce your spam..

1) Do not submit your email address to any form unless you dont care to receive their adds, their partners adds, their partners partners adds and so fourth..

2) Go with a email service that uses a good filtering system, EG britemail, Spamassasin etc..

3) Now that you have a pretty good service for mail your next step is to install a commercial filtering system for your mail client (outlook, eudora etc).

4) If you receive spam and they provide a remove link MAKE USE OF IT! Regardless of the bullshit you may hear. "spammers use remove links so they can add your email to their list to spam again!" This is an old fabricated statement many "netnazi cocksuckers" use.. oh im sorry let me explain something.. (net nazi cocksuckers = anti spammers). Let me break down this bullshit statement for you.. Ok they are saying we use it to add your email to our list! Why would we want to do that.. You just received a spam right? So wouldnt that mean we have it? Yes.. Ok so then you say well you may want to just have it to spam! Wrong.. Thats completely outrageous, why spam someone whos obviously not interested? Just uses up our resources and increases mailing time more while decreasing proffits.

5) Responding back to the email will not get you removed so dont plan on going that route. As well the unresponsible mailers tend to use spam mail as their froms which creates alot of havoc. At this point just delete the email.. Doenst take long now does it? Pretty easy right?


Ok so weve touched how to cut down on spam.. Lets explain what types of spam you get.. Youve got adult spams, mainstream spam, RX, Services and more.. Id like to mention that I disaprove of spamming porn to non optin emails as i believe its a waste and is one of the reasons behind CAN-SPAM and simply doesnt convert as well as processor db's and various other optin databases. I see some of you mentioning "child porn" spam and claiming we do this.. We are not fucking disgusting low life pieces of trash.. Those are SICK individuals and criminals who spam that trash.. DO NOT get us confused.. Arrogant comments such as those and the statements that all spammers are scammers make me sick.. Since i mentioned scam spams, we do not condone this nor do we do these types.. The anti spam community and media tends to like to blame us for all of it and if you notice alot of the time the so called "spam" related cases were in fact NOT spam related and moreoff SCAM related.. THOSE ARE SCAMMERS NOT SPAMMERS. Notice how they try to say spammers are the culprits? Another scheme to put a bad image to bulk mail marketing.. I myself investigate and turn in every single bit of these types of emails and operations i come across as i cannot stand them either.

Alright now to the CAN-SPAM bill. Most of you are saying YAY this is going to stop spammers! Wrong.. This is going to open the "Spam Dam" so to speak... Its going to be the wild wild west all over again only this time on the "online frontier". You are going to see more spam than ever now and from all sorts of sources. Not only will you see the same spam already, you will see a significant increase from legit mailers as well.. Some spammers will go legit and some spammers wont. Some spammers will stop and some will continue to pursue this lucrative buisness practice. Higher organizations are already proffiting off bulkmail and will continue to proffit from it even more now. Youd be suprised at who all has a part in email marketing.. companies youd never even think would.. Majority of anti spammers hate this new law then of course.. the other half love it. Why? Becuase they are going to be making money off this as they are the "flakes" of the antispam industry and arent in it to stop the problem but to benefit from it.. They do not want to see spam stop.. its feeding their children.. its paying their bills. As well the same on our part.. I guess you can say we both benefit off each other. In addition to this it creates new technology.. When antis eliminate our new technology we create even more advanced ways.. You see what im getting at? Technology improving.. Something that is good for society.. Which Id like to post a snip from what "Ron guilmette" (monkeys.com) posted on NANAE about what he heard from a group of lawyers while he was at once of his hearings.


Very interesting isnt it?


Alright let me break down a few of the important sections of CAN-SPAM for you all as it sits as of right now..


(1) As of the 1st there will be no reward system setup yet thus leaving snitches and broke ass anti's unable to cash in until the committee sets fourth some sort of "snitch system". Allows yet more time. With this being said it is very important we watch who we deal with and what information we give out.. I notice many of you on this board just whoring out personal info like candy at a parade.

(2) According to this there currently is no actual means specified in which we must identify the content. According to SEC. 5 (a) (2) it states..

According to this we must only use subjects that generally partain to the email content in question. It doesnt state that any identifiable tags must be used, e.g. ADV:, PORN ADD etc.. Now Back to SEC 11 (2) it stated that the committee has 18 months to decide on such a system.

Now with this being said, though it officially will go into effect january 1, 2004, I dont believe it will go into full effect until at least another year or better. This will take some time to kick in and believe me it wont be an easy task enforcing especially right off the bat. You can only imagine how many companies, people, corporations will be flocking to this method of advertising, both legally and illegally.


Ill end with this...

- Nicholas Graham, AOL Spokesman


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Swank

I know full well that you dont like me. When you respond to what I am going to say please to it as though you dont know me.

If I buy in an email list that is 'opt in' in it never really is as you can only ever buy double opt in to get quality. I know on the www.adultlabel.com opt in list for the launch out of the 1750 who have subscribed only 900 will get the mail as the other did not double opt in (click the email confirmation link).

People will continue to mail because it makes money. If I mail which takes me an hour to set up and run I will set myself up to make over $25k that week. I know if I spammed I could make more, probably 5 times the amount.

What would you rather do a tgp post and get listed on the hun (maybe) or mail and definitly make more?

Nicely said Swank. To add to this... text is munged not because of personal filters but because of ISP filters. Two different things. Second of all, ISPs do everything in there power to filter how incoming e-mails w/ removal links, this is so contradictory. If you should be mad at anyone be mad at the media. Media promotes boom in business fields, which shouldn't need growth. They have public specials on Paris Hilton sex tape that gets loose and president clinton that got "oral sex". "Mommy what is oral sex and Paris Hilton sex tape" I am tired of all of these individuals attacking mosquitos rather then nest in which they breed.

Where did you ever get that notion from? I've kidded around with you, even made the odd cartoon about you....


<img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/krometoon.jpg">

...but I've never said anything to lead anyone to think I "don't like you". At least not to my knowledge. You sure you haven't got me confused with someone less..... personable?

As I said, your way of mailing seems pretty okay to me. I said that clearly in my earlier reply to you dude, and explained why, and explained what the exceptions would be. I don't see where you and I have a problem whatsoever. Do you?

Nice post Swank. Long yes, but those who are here to learn might actually read it all. The semi-literate with ADS won't.

I always uncheck those "authorized updates" checkboxes at retail sites. Always have, always will. I know what I want, when I want it, I don't need their 'updates' to tell me that, nor do I need the avalanche of spam from their "partners" either, as you mentioned. This particular point of yours would have been useful for some on that other "spam" thread I saw the other day here.

For those of you that thought this thread was going nowhere...

This thread rocks! I've read it once, and I'm going to read it again... do I need permission from anyone to mention this thread or this post in an article? Would that be kewl or no?

It's fucking eye-opening to read about both sides of the spam coin, and this is a 'first time' in my adult industry experience.

Again, fucking awesome.

Fyrflygrl

No you can not use the thread in an article. ;) Keep people thinking that spammers are a bunch of trolls with no morales. Don't tell them that the hundreds of pop-ups are cause by spyware that has infected million of machines. Or remind them SE spammers are the reason why they can't find anything important in SE anymore. Or that people spend 10 times more time watching ads in movie theaters, radio ads, tv junk mail. The sheer magnitude of the dose of reality that you will give them will distort their reality and they will have to check into Bellvue.

also if you think about it, it's good that those no life anti's fighting spam, because if nobody would be against it then everybody would mail and it would "kill" internet/emails.. also the less people spam the more money there is to make... antis make it hard for people to start up thats why many fail and only big dogs stay... it's a bitch to find stable hosts offshore/good proxies but hey nothing is easy in this world...

i regurgitate on spammers from a great height

do you use proxies or mail direct?

well said.

what a thread

swank rules

*clap clap clap clap clap*

well put brotha

www.ytcracker.com/media.htm

Just gotta give the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Media Misconception is a bitch.


Im loving, http://www.ytcracker.com/music/angelpool%20-%20time.mp3 , the beat has a CO feel to it and it hits perfect.

http://www.ytcracker.com/music/ytcracker[feat.%20303infinity]%20-%20penned%20secretions.mp3 ,bad ass beat with a classic twist to it

ohh yea cant forget http://www.ytcracker.com/music/spamt...0is%20spam.mp3

I havent dropped anything for real in a few years or so. I need to bust out some software and a pen n pad.