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  • CDSmith
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • May 2001
    • 51460

    #1

    Spammers answer a couple questions

    I'm curious about a few things currently being practised by spammers,

    ...like for example when someone has words like "enlargement" or "Viagra" blocked in their email client's rules, they do so because they want emails containing those words to go directly to their "deleted items" folder (or as I call it, the "shit" bin)... why do spammers change those words in their spam to things like "en-large-ment" or "V*iagra" etc? Is it because you think that if you can fool people's spam filters they will eventually break down and buy something from you? Tell me you don't think people are really that stupid, please.

    Another question: There seems to be several different techniques for spamming as far as I can tell. One is to just send out mass emails that seem to come from various sources (yet many are obviously from the same spammer) that contain an ad and a link --- "legitimate" spam if you will, while others seem to contain an attachment that when opened, loads some kind of adware or scumware on the recipient's computer that continually does the spamming for you. My question is, do spammers have an "upper class" and "lower class" structure thing going? If you are a spammer who simply sends ads and alters keywords to trick spam filters do you look down upon other spammers who send out .exe files that load scumware? Is there descrimination among spammers? Does one type of spammer think he is better than other types of spammers? Do you ever find yourselves saying "I'm a nicer spammer than that guy over there".... ?

    No really, I'm very curious as to how the mind of a typical spammer works. And don't be shy about answering, we all know you're here, many of you have openly posted about spamming in the past. Speak up.

    Lastly, how come there are no trade shows for spammers? Or.... are there? If not, then how come there are no booths at internext run by spammers to sell their massive lists to other prospective spammers?
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  • CDSmith
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    • May 2001
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    #2
    When someone asks me what I do, I usually say I'm a webmaster and that I run websites that range from mainstream business to adult.

    How do spammers answer that question?

    If you don't say "I'm a spammer".... why? Why not proclaim proudly what you do? Shout it from the rooftops, or are you not proud of what you do?




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    • cluck
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      • Dec 2002
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      #3
      When I was spamming I'd always let people know I was a spammer. If they questioned it, I'd tell them my daily earnings and they'd be pro-spam.

      One of my best friends in school was a hardcore anti so I told him I'd give him a spammer. Pretty soon he was cashing 4 figure clickcash checks
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      • CDSmith
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        • May 2001
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        #4
        How come you're not a spammer anymore? (you said "when I was spamming" leading me to believe you no longer spam)






        Also,... I get the feeling that it is common for spammers to think that everything revolves around money and that anything is okay as long as the money is good. That true?
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        • CDSmith
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          • May 2001
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          #5
          Not much of a response from the spam crowd. Pretty disappointing actually, considering the amount of spam jamming people's inbox's lately.
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          • ytcracker
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            • Dec 2002
            • 12403

            #6
            i believe there is a tiered system of what certain mailers will or wont do.

            hypothetically, if i were to spam, i would use remove lists constantly exactly for the aformentioned reason - there is no use saturating people with marketing that they dont give a fuck about.

            hijacking peoples' systems is kind of gay and that's basically derived from the mantra that anyone will do anything for a buck. getting grandma's dsl shut off and having her have to go through the motions of calling the phone company etc etc etc is unnecessary bullshit.

            this is why the can-spam shit is actually a pretty good law because it frowns on seedier practices. if companies could follow suit and allow certain commercial messages to bypass the filters, thereby putting some "trust" in the mailing community, people themselves could control their own inboxes and the people who really want viagra and shit can get it.
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            • TheJimmy
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              • Jan 2001
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              #7
              Originally posted by ytcracker
              i believe there is a tiered system of what certain mailers will or wont do.

              hypothetically, if i were to spam, i would use remove lists constantly exactly for the aformentioned reason - there is no use saturating people with marketing that they dont give a fuck about.

              hijacking peoples' systems is kind of gay and that's basically derived from the mantra that anyone will do anything for a buck. getting grandma's dsl shut off and having her have to go through the motions of calling the phone company etc etc etc is unnecessary bullshit.

              this is why the can-spam shit is actually a pretty good law because it frowns on seedier practices. if companies could follow suit and allow certain commercial messages to bypass the filters, thereby putting some "trust" in the mailing community, people themselves could control their own inboxes and the people who really want viagra and shit can get it.


              very well said....hypothetically
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              • Digipimp
                BP4L OT DL
                • Mar 2003
                • 13481

                #8
                Originally posted by CDSmith
                Not much of a response from the spam crowd. Pretty disappointing actually, considering the amount of spam jamming people's inbox's lately.
                No suprise really. They just generally don't give a fuck and are money at any cost type of people and many people who aren't spammers only aren't because they don't know how. This biz as are most are dominated by money at any cost type of people. They really don't give a fuck about what they do or who they spam as long as they get paid, then they're enabled by supposedly legit sponsors that say they don't allow spam. We all know that means unless you make a lot of money spamming we don't allow spam.

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                • skillfull
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                  • Apr 2003
                  • 4716

                  #9
                  humm, here some info you asked

                  spam convention are rare and heavily private
                  for the filter
                  no one really care about beating your outlook filter
                  but more aol/hotmail/ large domains filter
                  and there is no discrimination at all between mailers
                  more friendly-communauty than adult
                  but hell more scammer too

                  ah yeah, btw i dont spam personnaly, just have a couple friends who do this ;)
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                  • Fletch XXX
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                    • Jan 2002
                    • 60840

                    #10
                    ALL SPAMMERS SUPPORT CHILD PRON

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                    • CDSmith
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                      • May 2001
                      • 51460

                      #11
                      Yes, don't even get me started on the whole practice of having fake "removal" links that instead of removing you it just confirms your email as being active. Spammers have drawn the comparison to receiving junk mail and flyers in your real mailbox to spam. The thing is, I can put a sign on my real mailbox that says "NO FLYERS" and can eliminate about 75% of the crap that I get in one shot.

                      I don't have that option with just a regular email inbox. Not the way spammers operate..... and then they wonder why people wish them a long agonizing death.
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                      • ytcracker
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 12403

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                        ALL SPAMMERS SUPPORT CHILD PRON
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                        • CDSmith
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by skillfull
                          spam convention are rare and heavily private
                          Are they afraid they'll be bombed?
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                          • Fletch XXX
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                            Are they afraid they'll be bombed?
                            I can see them now, sitting in a circle with hooded cloaks discussing the BEST way to get their child pron into your box. liting candles and incense, debating the approproate angles of masking their kid infatuations and disguising their addiction to naked children.

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                            • CDSmith
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                              I can see them now, sitting in a circle with hooded cloaks discussing the BEST way to get their child pron into your box. liting candles and incense, debating the approproate angles of masking their kid infatuations and disguising their addiction to naked children.
                              And chanting. Don't forget the chanting.
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                              • Rictor
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                                • Jan 2001
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                ALL SPAMMERS SUPPORT CHILD PRON
                                AND TERRORISM!!

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                                • Fletch XXX
                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 60840

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Rictor


                                  AND TERRORISM!!
                                  well shit, even pot smokers do that!

                                  and anyone who drinks Budweiser!

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                                  • eGawd
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                                    • Dec 2003
                                    • 567

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                    Yes, don't even get me started on the whole practice of having fake "removal" links that instead of removing you it just confirms your email as being active. Spammers have drawn the comparison to receiving junk mail and flyers in your real mailbox to spam. The thing is, I can put a sign on my real mailbox that says "NO FLYERS" and can eliminate about 75% of the crap that I get in one shot.

                                    I don't have that option with just a regular email inbox. Not the way spammers operate..... and then they wonder why people wish them a long agonizing death.
                                    Ytcracker explained to you one set of moral guidelines when it comes to remove links, so you can see that all spammers aren't the same. This is also where the law comes in to play to help enforce the practice of remove lists. For those of you who are making generalizations about spammers, such as "All spammers want to find ways to mail child porn" that is preposterous. That is something that would come out of the mouth of someone who is uneducated in a field, and making one sided statements. Take for example a parent talking to their child, they might say "Porn websites are evil, they are scammers trying to steal your money". It isn't a complete lie, yes there are scammers in the adult industry[Example in this thread] , but that doesn't mean that everyone in the business is a scammer. So why not get a little more statistical when you make those comments, or at least learn some about the business because YES there are bulk mailers who follow in line with what the law asks.. most don't see them because as long as they don't bother them they don't even notice their existance.

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                                    • Fletch XXX
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                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 60840

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by eGawd


                                      Ytcracker explained to you one set of moral guidelines when it comes to remove links, so you can see that all spammers aren't the same. This is also where the law comes in to play to help enforce the practice of remove lists. For those of you who are making generalizations about spammers, such as "All spammers want to find ways to mail child porn" that is preposterous. That is something that would come out of the mouth of someone who is uneducated in a field, and making one sided statements. Take for example a parent talking to their child, they might say "Porn websites are evil, they are scammers trying to steal your money". It isn't a complete lie, yes there are scammers in the adult industry[Example in this thread] , but that doesn't mean that everyone in the business is a scammer. So why not get a little more statistical when you make those comments, or at least learn some about the business because YES there are bulk mailers who follow in line with what the law asks.. most don't see them because as long as they don't bother them they don't even notice their existance.
                                      as I said.

                                      ALL SPAMMERS SUPPORT CHILD PRON.

                                      I knew it would get some 'in the closet' spammers to come out!!

                                      ahaha

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                                      • eGawd
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                                        • Dec 2003
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX


                                        as I said.

                                        ALL SPAMMERS SUPPORT CHILD PRON.

                                        I knew it would get some 'in the closet' spammers to come out!!

                                        ahaha
                                        I was just sharing knowledge for those who care to read; I think some will appreciate it.

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                                        • Fletch XXX
                                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 60840

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by eGawd


                                          I was just sharing knowledge for those who care to read; I think some will appreciate it.
                                          So did i.

                                          I just posted that to get the thread going, in case you missed it.


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                                          • CDSmith
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                                            • May 2001
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                                            #22
                                            It goes along with the generally accepted feeling among most normal-thinking people that spammers suck ass, that spamming is ranked right up there with cp and scat.


                                            I must say, the notion of seeing a spammer's door being kicked in by a gang of cops, watching them dismantle and confiscate all his servers and equipment, watching him get dropped to the floor in handcuffs as he cries like a lil girl..... get's me all afluster.
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                                            • CAHEK
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                                              #23
                                              spam rocks !
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                                              • detoxed
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                It goes along with the generally accepted feeling among most normal-thinking people that spammers suck ass, that spamming is ranked right up there with cp and scat.


                                                I must say, the notion of seeing a spammer's door being kicked in by a gang of cops, watching them dismantle and confiscate all his servers and equipment, watching him get dropped to the floor in handcuffs as he cries like a lil girl..... get's me all afluster.
                                                So when you get a spam complaint after emailing your double optin jokes newsletter, you wont mind when they bust down the door and take your servers down?

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                                                • CDSmith
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                                                  • May 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by detoxed
                                                  So when you get a spam complaint after emailing your double optin jokes newsletter, you wont mind when they bust down the door and take your servers down?
                                                  What are you braindead? Where in any of my posts do you see anything that would lead you to confuse double opt-in with out and out spamming.


                                                  If you are going to ask me a question, make it an intelligent one.
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                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                    #26
                                                    For the fucking clueless...

                                                    I was (obviously) talking about spammers who send out mass unsoliscited emails by the thousands, by the millions, on a daily basis. Someone running a legit opt-in list is excempt from this inquisition, I'm not even sure why I have to say it. The word "duh" comes to mind.



                                                    If you can't see the diffence between a chronic power-spammer and someone running a legit list you need more of a bitchslap than I can muster, because there is obviously something not right in your cerebral cortex.
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                                                    • ryph
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                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                      #27
                                                      I'd rather say I spam than run porn sites. People are genuinely curious about the whole thing, and wonder how much money can be made, how it's done etc...
                                                      Anyone who asks what I do since I don't "work" I come right out and say I'm a spammer. Some people would be like "ahh so you're that asshole" in a joking manner, or become curious and ask a SHITLOAD of questions where I literally have to say, "ok enough about me, what do you do".

                                                      I personally see it higher up on the "ethical" scale than porn sites, as do a lot of people I know as well.
                                                      Last edited by ryph; 12-30-2003, 10:17 AM.
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                                                      • detoxed
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                        What are you braindead? Where in any of my posts do you see anything that would lead you to confuse double opt-in with out and out spamming.


                                                        If you are going to ask me a question, make it an intelligent one.
                                                        You are the brain dead one. People call everything spam these days. Chances are if you are getting email you opted into something you dont remember or didnt read the terms.

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                                                        • CDSmith
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                                                          • May 2001
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by ryph
                                                          I'd rather say I spam than run porn sites. People are genuinely curious about the whole thing, and wonder how much money can be made, how it's done etc...
                                                          Anyone who asks what I do since I don't "work" I come right out and say I'm a spammer. Some people would be like "ahh so you're that asshole" in a joking manner, or ask a SHITLOAD of questions. I personally see it higher up on the "ethical" scale than porn sites, as do a lot of people I know as well.
                                                          Where do the spammers who spam porn sites rank then?



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                                                          • ryph
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                            Where do the spammers who spam porn sites rank then?



                                                            Preety low to be honest. This is considering youre doing massive GI mailing, and not optin lists.
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                                                            • CDSmith
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                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 51460

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by detoxed
                                                              You are the brain dead one. People call everything spam these days. Chances are if you are getting email you opted into something you dont remember or didnt read the terms.
                                                              Oh I'M the braindead one eh? ha ha... okay, thanks for clearing that up.

                                                              I opt in to nothing, ever. The only newsletters I've signed up for are from my sponsors and the few bbs's I'm a member of. When registering for anything else I use a hotmail address, so explain to me why I had 492 shit-spam emails in my inbox this morning? (as I do pretty much every day).


                                                              Don't say "chances are" to me. Chances are you don't know what you're talking about.
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                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by ryph
                                                                Preety low to be honest. This is considering youre doing massive GI mailing, and not optin lists.
                                                                So it IS possible for a spammer to have ethics then?
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                                                                • detoxed
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                  Oh I'M the braindead one eh? ha ha... okay, thanks for clearing that up.

                                                                  I opt in to nothing, ever. The only newsletters I've signed up for are from my sponsors and the few bbs's I'm a member of. When registering for anything else I use a hotmail address, so explain to me why I had 492 shit-spam emails in my inbox this morning? (as I do pretty much every day).


                                                                  Don't say "chances are" to me. Chances are you don't know what you're talking about.
                                                                  You read the privacy policies of those BBS's?

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                                                                  • ryph
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                                                                    • Oct 2002
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                    So it IS possible for a spammer to have ethics then?
                                                                    Yes, just like it IS possible for adult webmasters to have ethics, and CEO's to have ethics as well. Some don't. *shrug*
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                                                                    • CDSmith
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                      You read the privacy policies of those BBS's?
                                                                      Yes.
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                                                                      • gezzed
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        CDSmith, it seems to me that you're not trying to gain any insight but just trying to lure people into shouting matches.

                                                                        I can understand the outrage that people treat spam with nowadays, it has be a disturbing trend and has left many people feeling helpless. Only compounding the situation is the seeming ineffectiveness of new laws or other anti-spam measures.

                                                                        Since you're set in your views, I don't understand what you hope to gain by starting a thread like this. If you maintained a mature attitude and encouraged honest discussion and constructive criticism, then maybe some dialogue might have occured. But instead you chose to simply whack the mole as soon as it popped its head up. You're obviously angry at spammers for whatever reason, and I suspect your anger is partly motivated by envy. This has become a cliche, but very few people disagree that succesful spammers make a lot of money.

                                                                        A lot of people which depend on the internet to make money have suffered a great deal from spammers. People who run real opt-in lists probably have had their newsletters blocked by all too sensitive spam filters.

                                                                        Battle lines have been drawn and it seems that the two groups are impossible to reconcile.

                                                                        The reason spam is prominent is rooted in simple economics. As long as there is a profit to be made with relatively little risk, people will continue to do it. With the ready availability of internet connectivity and the immense market for spam, it is a certainty the spam will continue unless something more drastic is done.

                                                                        Lastly, I'd just like to say that I am not advocating spam in the least. I think it's terrible how some unskilled, unethical and unscrupulous person can spend a couple of bucks on readily available software and make more money than people who have worked for years, building relationships and establishing contacts. This is akin to those individuals who set up pyramid schemes in the real world and damage a legitimate business' chances for making money.

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                                                                        • ulfie2
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                                                                          • Nov 2003
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          CD, I love ya man but you are clueless on this issue. I sent email for years and followed every law on the books but still had hassles from asswipes like spamcop. THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR A MAILING LIST TO BE DOUBLE OPT-IN. Do you really believe that programs that pay for email addresses don't mail to the people that don't confirm their address? They just don't pay the webmaster for it. If I go to a site and enter your email address to enter and don't confirm it I guarentee you will start getting mail.

                                                                          As for putting the "no flyers" sign on your mailbox. I don't get that one at all. You put up a sign and your mailman sorts your mail for you? About 90% of the stuff that shows up in my physical mailbox is junk and goes straight into the shredder. With actual mail I get 4 or 5 CC applications a day so I have to take the time to shread them. Takes me far longer to deal with real junk mail than it does to deal with junk email each day.
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                                                                          • CDSmith
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                                                                            • May 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Gezzed --- Envy? Me lure people into shouting matches? haha..... yes, that's me, I envy the spammer. Tell me, why comment on something or someone you know nothing about? This always puzzles me.

                                                                            The questions I have asked above are straight-out said and asked honestly, and most of the answers have been forthright and without argument. The only reply that prompted me to question the poster's intelligence was the one which attempted to lump in legitimate opt-in lists with outright spam, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to yammer on about arguments and envy.





                                                                            Detoxed --- In any event, selling my email address without my consent doesn't mean I opted in to anything. Fact is, the privacy policy of most boards is that they say they DON'T disclose your information.


                                                                            And I'm not sure why you'd be getting the least bent out of shape over the type of spammer I was describing getting arrested.
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                                                                            • CDSmith
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by ulfie2
                                                                              CD, I love ya man but you are clueless on this issue.
                                                                              no I'm not.
                                                                              Originally posted by ulfie2 I sent email for years and followed every law on the books but still had hassles from asswipes like spamcop. THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR A MAILING LIST TO BE DOUBLE OPT-IN. Do you really believe that programs that pay for email addresses don't mail to the people that don't confirm their address? They just don't pay the webmaster for it. If I go to a site and enter your email address to enter and don't confirm it I guarentee you will start getting mail.
                                                                              All this is immaterial and irrelivant to most of the questions I originally asked spammers here, but whatever. I don't intend to get into it about guys who run opt-in lists. I'm talking about the ones that gather, buy, or harvest millions of emails (including those of kids) and then send out zillions of emails for everything from penis pills to fuck videos. Was I not clear enough?
                                                                              Originally posted by ulfie2 As for putting the "no flyers" sign on your mailbox. I don't get that one at all. You put up a sign and your mailman sorts your mail for you? About 90% of the stuff that shows up in my physical mailbox is junk and goes straight into the shredder. With actual mail I get 4 or 5 CC applications a day so I have to take the time to shread them. Takes me far longer to deal with real junk mail than it does to deal with junk email each day.
                                                                              No, again you misunderstand. The mailman won't sort my mail, but I can sort through 4 or 5 envelopes pretty quickly. The "NO FLYERS" sign is for those kids who stuff ads in your mailbox.... they see the sign and they move on to the next house, thus ridding you of getting a ton of useless shit every week.


                                                                              With junk email, even the crap in my inbox must be inspected in case the filters caught a few legit emails, so I don't see how it could take anyone less time to go through their emails than it does to go through their physical mail. No way in hell that works for me Ulf, no disrespect buddy. 4 or 5 envelopes?.... maybe 2 minutes. 300+ emails?.... You saying you can scope out 300 emails in less than 2 minutes? If you say yes then I'm sorry but I just don't believe you.
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                                                                              • detoxed
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                And I'm not sure why you'd be getting the least bent out of shape over the type of spammer I was describing getting arrested.
                                                                                I'm not bent out of shape at all I just posted. I just want to bash someones head in when I email them asking to fucking BUY whatever they are selling and they reply back with "STOP SPAMMING ME" or some bullshit for no reason.

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                                                                                • Morgan
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I know a guy who makes good cash spamming bibles, lol.
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                                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                    I just want to bash someones head in when I email them asking to fucking BUY whatever they are selling and they reply back with "STOP SPAMMING ME" or some bullshit for no reason.
                                                                                    So we understand each other then.
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                                                                                    • Kimmykim
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Everyone knows that spam conventions are held in Nigeria!

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                                                                                      • chuk
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                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 682

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I have a question as well...

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                                                                                        • CDSmith
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                          Everyone knows that spam conventions are held in Nigeria!
                                                                                          Nigeria? I thought it was Antigua!
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                                                                                          • gezzed
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                            Gezzed --- Envy? Me lure people into shouting matches? haha..... yes, that's me, I envy the spammer. Tell me, why comment on something or someone you know nothing about? This always puzzles me.
                                                                                            So you're telling me that when you read about people making millions of dollars a year with very little work, it doesn't bother you in the least? You're obviously not going to admit it, no one ever admits to envy. Don't make it sound as if my comments were completely without merit, I asure you I have nothing against you personally or professionally and I would benefit very little from making false arguments.

                                                                                            Anyone who knows what subtext means can tell that you're coming from a condescending and generally arrogant position. I honestly have nothing to prove here, nor am I trying to somehow belittle your position on spammers, because I think it does have some merit. I am merely suggesting that disguising your desire to vent about spammers as a thread that invites real discussion isn't a very good thing.

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                                                                                            • ulfie2
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                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                              • 27

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I get maybe 20 or 30 spam emails a day. I get about the same in my real mailbox. The point being that I don't just drag it to the trash can. Every credit card, mortgage proposal, financial deal I get goes through the shredder. So I have to waste my time shredding the stuff and hauling it out to the garbage man. I forgot you are in Canada but it's illegal in the US for people to put things in your mailbox. Only you and the mailman are allowed to do that.

                                                                                              I still don't see spam as the massive problem other people do. The new federal law in the US actually makes it EASIER to spam rather than harder. At least there is only 1 set of rules to follow now.

                                                                                              I'm obviously not in favor of sending unwanted adult mail to kids or grandmothers. If people want off my list all they have to do is click the remove link. If they don't want to be on it why would I want to keep them? That logic never made any sense to me.
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                                                                                              • CDSmith
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Gezzed, if I was interested in spam enough to be envious I would have given over to the dark side years ago. Fact is, anyone that knows me well knows that money is and has never been my first priority in anything I've ever done. I look for profit as much as the next guy, but when it comes to my self-respect and integrity no amount of money can pry that away from me. That is why I am puzzled by people like you who talk out of your ass making comments about someone you don't have a clue about.

                                                                                                Fact is, the word you are looking for is "pity", not envy. And you can whine about the way I say things rather than what I'm saying all you want, if you don't like the way I post simply don't click my threads. Fact is, those people who have answered some of my questions with a sensible tone have been treated just fine, but yes --- people including me do have some animosity for certain types of spammers, and with good reason. Bulk spam clogs the internet, it tends to get adult emails into kids inboxes, it serves to piss millions of people off to no end, so yeah... I had a few questions about the mindset of the people behind it all. Don't be such a suck about the way I'm addressing them.
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                                                                                                • CDSmith
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by ulfie2
                                                                                                  I get maybe 20 or 30 spam emails a day. I get about the same in my real mailbox. The point being that I don't just drag it to the trash can. Every credit card, mortgage proposal, financial deal I get goes through the shredder. So I have to waste my time shredding the stuff and hauling it out to the garbage man. I forgot you are in Canada but it's illegal in the US for people to put things in your mailbox. Only you and the mailman are allowed to do that.

                                                                                                  I still don't see spam as the massive problem other people do. The new federal law in the US actually makes it EASIER to spam rather than harder. At least there is only 1 set of rules to follow now.

                                                                                                  I'm obviously not in favor of sending unwanted adult mail to kids or grandmothers. If people want off my list all they have to do is click the remove link. If they don't want to be on it why would I want to keep them? That logic never made any sense to me.
                                                                                                  Exactly, on all points.

                                                                                                  Except... you only get 30 spams a day?? Man, now I've found someone to ENVY! Even with my spam filters and rules set in my email client I still get about 150 a day in my inbox, the rest are filtered to my deleted items bin. I have to skim over all of them to make sure no legit emails were filtered.

                                                                                                  Yes, in Canada companies hire kids to deliver flyers door to door.


                                                                                                  And guys like you who offer a real "remove" link that works at least deserve some applause for that. Sadly, most spammers I've seen do otherwise, which is part of the reason why spammers are reviled so.
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                                                                                                  • hostey_com
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                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    die spammer, hook me up
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