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12-28-2003, 05:46 AM

Well I must say, I've known Pad a long time. He's a solid dude, as well as a massive jackass(in a good way if you know him ).

My opinion though is that the industry needs to be careful about what details of our business practices are made public. I don't think there's anything morally wrong with a 17 year old pushing porn(if they're mature enough to sell it, they're mature enough to see it). The problem is that GFY is possibly the largest adult webmaster community on the web. If GFY gets attention for being a haven for providing minors with information on the porn industry, it reflects bad upon adult.com, all their associates(playboy, etc) and the industry as a whole.

If I was 17 and still making a living off spam I doubt I'd care about the state of the adult industry, because I'd be making easy money. Fact is I'm not a spammer anymore and what happens to adult as a whole affects me directly.

I think the worst thing to do is make a big shit out of it. Starting a billion threads is just like putting up a billboard " FLASH NEWS - DETAILS ABOUT MINORS PROMOTING PORNOGRAPHY FILM AT 11 ".

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12-28-2003, 05:48 AM

yes but we musnt forget, this doesnt matter and has NOTHING to do with business
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12-28-2003, 05:52 AM

I agree, if he's mature enough to sell it he can view it right?

he's just lucky he found the right way to make money so early

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12-28-2003, 05:53 AM

You mean pad isn't a character? He can't be real.

I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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12-28-2003, 06:08 AM

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You mean pad isn't a character? He can't be real.

If you knew him before this you'd know he uses himself as a character.

I remember when he faked his own death online.

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12-28-2003, 06:10 AM

Is he Pathfinder... or Ripper?

I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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12-28-2003, 06:10 AM

http://www.ytcracker.com/music/niik%20[f.%20ytcracker]%20-%20niik.mp3

And I quote the whitey cracker

"That's my friend pad screaming in the trunk"

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12-28-2003, 06:10 AM

So what you're basically saying is that if I find a 15 year old girl that is mature enough, it's ok to fuck her?
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12-28-2003, 06:11 AM

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So what you're basically saying is that if I find a 15 year old girl that is mature enough, it's ok to fuck her?

Fucking someone's different than sending them a paycheck.

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12-28-2003, 06:12 AM

Kids do not belong on this board, he should be banned.

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12-28-2003, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by cluck

Fucking someone's different than sending them a paycheck.

Either way you're breaking the law.
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12-28-2003, 06:13 AM

Anything short of banning everyone proven to be under 18 is stupid.
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12-28-2003, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by swedguy
Either way you're breaking the law.

Well depends on the state. Here in the good old USA some states let you fuck 13 year olds but god forbid they see a TGP gallery

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12-28-2003, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by swedguy
So what you're basically saying is that if I find a 15 year old girl that is mature enough, it's ok to fuck her?

Hes not a girl, hes not 15 and nobody has said they want to fuck him.......

So whats your point?
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12-28-2003, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by damian2001

Hes not a girl, hes not 15 and nobody has said they want to fuck him.......

So whats your point?

the point is, hes 17. selling porn. posting on gfy. and thats illegal.

does that confuse you?
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12-28-2003, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by damian2001

Hes not a girl, hes not 15 and nobody has said they want to fuck him.......

So whats your point?
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12-28-2003, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

the point is, hes 17. selling porn. posting on gfy. and thats illegal.

does that confuse you?

I think there is a HUGE difference between Stat rape and this guy selling porn......

So HUGE that I dont think it adds up to a "point"

Im not sure him posting on GFY is acually illegal......
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12-28-2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by damian2001

...Im not sure him posting on GFY is acually illegal......

maybe not, but its against any common sense
and im CERTAIN any affiliates of his are breaking the law every time they pay him out
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12-28-2003, 06:33 AM

I'm looking for some documents or research that shows it is illegal to promote sites unless you are 18. Post 'em if you got 'em. Thanks!

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12-28-2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Brujah
I'm looking for some documents or research that shows it is illegal to promote sites unless you are 18. Post 'em if you got 'em. Thanks!
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12-28-2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

maybe not, but its against any common sense
and im CERTAIN any affiliates of his are breaking the law every time they pay him out

It's not illegal for him to post on GFY, but it gives outsiders a reason to believe that affiliate programs paying minors for adult services is something worth investigating.

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12-28-2003, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by cluck

It's not illegal for him to post on GFY, but it gives outsiders a reason to believe that affiliate programs paying minors for adult services is something worth investigating.

i believe that in the united states its illegal to provide pornography to a minor.
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12-28-2003, 06:39 AM

Now that his age has become an issue... Does he change his nick to MAXI pad now?

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12-28-2003, 06:39 AM

Well... nothing against the guy, but if he is not old enough to pass through our warning pages then he should not be here.

i believe that in the united states its illegal to provide pornography to a minor.

Correct, and thats what we are doing by allowing him here.

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12-28-2003, 06:40 AM

Does he change his nick to MAXI pad now?

haha! No.. Training Pad

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12-28-2003, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

i believe that in the united states its illegal to provide pornography to a minor.

It'd be impossible to prove criminal intent on lensmans part. The problem would come in court when they bring up the records of pad admitting to being 17 and lensman not banning him.

If anything this makes more of a case for age verification which could be good or bad for the industry.

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12-28-2003, 06:42 AM

you need to click on the tos when ever signing up to an sponsor and it clearly states the age allowed...

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12-28-2003, 06:43 AM

Unfortunately having someone underage peddle porn is a VERY bad thing. Any sponsors who they sell for can be brought up on charges, and aside from that, if he's a minor, unless his parents give consent (as in THEY sign papers or make the agreement in his stead), he cannot legally enter any binding contract or agree to terms of them (such as terms of service, any form of legal or hosting agreements, etc). Legally it's a fucking NIGHTMARE for everyone he's involved with on a business level.

Every adult company who deals with him can become legally liable. It leaves a VERY BAD situation for them. I would highly recommend any sponsorship progams working with this fellow consult their attorneys, because it wouldn't take much for things to get ugly legally where this guy is concerned.

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12-28-2003, 06:43 AM

heres a point:

every one of his affiliates are commiting a crime when they release any type of pornographic promotional material to him.
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12-28-2003, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

I thought it would be easy to find, but apparently it isn't. I can't locate it anywhere.

Can you ?

I can locate all kinds of references to spam though. Fraudulent headers, etc.

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12-28-2003, 06:44 AM

Not only that, but anyone who sells him content or provides him with content is instantly guilty of providing pornographic material to a minor, and the charges where THAT is concerned are HORRENDOUS, because there are so many associated charges as well.

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12-28-2003, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

I thought it would be easy to find, but apparently it isn't. I can't locate it anywhere.

Can you ?

I can locate all kinds of references to spam though. Fraudulent headers, etc.

dude its illegal for a minor to POSSESS porn, much less SELL it

come on man, i dont need to qoute you title 18 statutes for this

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12-28-2003, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by cluck

It'd be impossible to prove criminal intent on lensmans part. The problem would come in court when they bring up the records of pad admitting to being 17 and lensman not banning him.

If anything this makes more of a case for age verification which could be good or bad for the industry.

Yep.. If it is clearly stated that he is underage and is not removed, Lensman and anyone else associated with his continued presence can be legally liable. Just like if a minor enters the premesis of a bar or an adult store. If they are not immediately removed, the store/bar owners are then liable.

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12-28-2003, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

dude its illegal for a minor to POSSESS porn, much less SELL it

come on man, i dont need to qoute you title 18 statutes for this

wake up

and some states it's even 21

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12-28-2003, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Correct, and thats what we are doing by allowing him here.

No it isn't. If so, then Google, Yahoo Groups, MSN Groups, are doing it too. When you start to exercise the type of active editorial control you might be proposing, then you could begin to make yourself liable for it.

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12-28-2003, 06:49 AM

from section 1464, title 18

`(3) Permitting access to transmit indecent material to a
minor: Any remote computer facility operator, electronic
communications service provider, or electronic bulletin board
service provider who willfully permits a person to use a remote
computing service, electronic communications service, or
electronic bulletin board service that is under the control of
that remote computer facility operator, electronic
communications service provider, or electronic bulletin board
service provider, to knowingly or recklessly transmit indecent
material from another remote computing service, electronic
communications service, or electronic bulletin board service,
to a person under 18 years of age, shall be fined not more than
$10,000, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.'.

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12-28-2003, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend
heres a point:

every one of his affiliates are commiting a crime when they release any type of pornographic promotional material to him.

Does our responibity end when they click "ENTER" on a warning page?

Dosnt every site that has porn on a front page break the law?

Who here dosnt KNOW that children look at porn on there sites every day?

I dont see how we can prevent this. So why block a 17 year old from selling porn, when we are all bending/breaking the law every day?

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12-28-2003, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Not only that, but anyone who sells him content or provides him with content is instantly guilty of providing pornographic material to a minor, and the charges where THAT is concerned are HORRENDOUS, because there are so many associated charges as well.

Do you get proof of age from your customers or just take their word for it ?

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12-28-2003, 06:51 AM

Shit just ban him and get it over with...
someone send lensman an email or someshit.
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12-28-2003, 06:51 AM

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Do you get proof of age from your customers or just take their word for it ?

If I have the tiniest smidgeon of doubt yes I request ID. If they do not provide it, I will not sell to them. Period. It's not worth going to jail over thanks. I have kids.

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12-28-2003, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by Vitasoy
you need to click on the tos when ever signing up to an sponsor and it clearly states the age allowed...

This is definite proof of TOS per sponsor.

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12-28-2003, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

dude its illegal for a minor to POSSESS porn, much less SELL it

come on man, i dont need to qoute you title 18 statutes for this

wake up

I'm not talking about shoving porn content at him either. I'm talking about him selling a sponsor.

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12-28-2003, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by damian2001

Does our responibity end when they click "ENTER" on a warning page?

Dosnt every site that has porn on a front page break the law?

I dont see how we can prevent this. So why block a 17 year old from selling porn, when we are all bending/breaking the law every day?

Because any company doing business with him is putting themselves in a legal position that is BEYOND precarious, and they are DIRECTLY LIABLE for it, as opposed to some brat clicking a link while surfing, which you are not INTENTIONALLY providing them with content. If this fellow is with an affiliate program, or buys content, etc, he is BEING PROVIDED with adult material. VERY ILLEGAL.

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12-28-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

I'm not talking about shoving porn content at him either. I'm talking about him selling a sponsor.

And how can he LEGALLY agree to their terms of service if he is underage? You cannot enter a legal contract with a minor without full parental consent, and in the case of providing him with adult materials, it would completely nullify even that, because even parents do not have the legal right to provide their underage children with pornography.

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12-28-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend
from section 1464, title 18

`(3) Permitting access to transmit indecent material to a
minor: Any remote computer facility operator, electronic
communications service provider, or electronic bulletin board
service provider who willfully permits a person to use a remote
computing service, electronic communications service, or
electronic bulletin board service that is under the control of
that remote computer facility operator, electronic
communications service provider, or electronic bulletin board
service provider, to knowingly or recklessly transmit indecent
material from another remote computing service, electronic
communications service, or electronic bulletin board service,
to a person under 18 years of age, shall be fined not more than
$10,000, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.'.

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Hardly. I don't think you even know what you just posted.

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12-28-2003, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

If I have the tiniest smidgeon of doubt yes I request ID. If they do not provide it, I will not sell to them. Period. It's not worth going to jail over thanks. I have kids.

Then you're just as liable by definition as anyone else. You could be doing it daily and not even know it.

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12-28-2003, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

And how can he LEGALLY agree to their terms of service if he is underage? You cannot enter a legal contract with a minor without full parental consent, and in the case of providing him with adult materials, it would completely nullify even that, because even parents do not have the legal right to provide their underage children with pornography.

Assumptions. I'm asking for documentation. I know for example that a 17 year old can legally enter into a contract with regard to the purchase or sale of a domain name. So your contract theory is not sound.

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12-28-2003, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

Hardly. I don't think you even know what you just posted.

considering im a third year law student, im fairly certain i know EXACTLY what i just posted.

i just posted the statute that makes GFY criminally liable for allowing pad to remain here.
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12-28-2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

Then you're just as liable by definition as anyone else. You could be doing it daily and not even know it.

Not neccessarily. The warnings on adult sites are to help indemnify owners of the adult sites from a legal standpoint. NOBODY can know 100% if the people they are dealing with are legitimiate unless they ID everyone, and that's not generally done (although you're right it may be a good idea to do in the future). However if one is informed that someone is underage and do NOTHING to investigate it, they are MORE liable, as there are other charges that can be brought against them for KNOWINGLY providing adult materials to a minor.

Being that the majority of my customers are return customers that are established and run businesses, quite a few I know in person, etc, I am fairly confident that they are of legal age. But I HAVE and will continue to request ID from anyone who gives me even the slightest reason for question, or who I've been informed may possibly be underage.

Of course, that really doesn't change THIS situation, in that Pad has CLEARLY STATED he is underage, so any sponsors etc dealing with him RIGHT now are swimming in shark-infested waters. It isn't his parents who would press the charges if he IS actually underage, it would be the government. Not something to fuck around with, and I don't care HOW big a company is.

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12-28-2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

considering im a third year law student, im fairly certain i know EXACTLY what i just posted.

i just posted the statute that makes GFY criminally liable for allowing pad to remain here.

Great. What is the definition of indecent material ?

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