I'm sure I am...
but what can I do about it?
but what can I do about it?
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no way to know for sure. you just work with the numbers as they come to you. bottom line thats all you can do.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR.
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I KNOW I'm being shaved.Originally posted by pamphage
no way to know for sure. you just work with the numbers as they come to you. bottom line thats all you can do.
But than again... there is nothing I can do.
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There are 2 Programs that I trust 100%.
1.) Dollarmachine (http://www.dollarmachine.com)
2.) FlashCash (http://www.flashcash.com)
These programs simply don't shave your sales.
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ya right.. theres no money there anymore for either of the above..Originally posted by thePelican
There are 2 Programs that I trust 100%.
1.) Dollarmachine (http://www.dollarmachine.com)
2.) FlashCash (http://www.flashcash.com)
These programs simply don't shave your sales.
post a real non-shaving sponsor..betcha can't find one..Comment
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Shaving can cause ingrown hairs a slew of other problems. I wouldn't recommend it.
Just a little trim is all ya need.
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i probably wouldn't promote a shaving sponser just out of principle. i guess if they were my #1 sponser and it was a small amount of skimming i might tolerate it until i had enough facts to show them and request that they stop.Originally posted by Oracle Porn
I KNOW I'm being shaved.
But than again... there is nothing I can do.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR.
Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.
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it's basically like trusting a beautiful wife...i mean your almost certain she's doing at least something you don't like behind your back, but what can you do? if she brings home prime pussy every night, then you don't really press the issue.
is that what you are saying, oracle? heheSIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR.
Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.
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nope, there isn't anything you can really do unless you are a big name willing to spill the beans, then ppl will listen. but you can dump their program. i think one program i am using is shaving, and they are slow as fuck getting me my checks. so i say good bye to them
you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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and thats a fact! this is why I don't promote the above anymore.Originally posted by pamphage
i probably wouldn't promote a shaving sponser just out of principle. i guess if they were my #1 sponser and it was a small amount of skimming i might tolerate it until i had enough facts to show them and request that they stop.
nor most on this forum..including the banner thats on your postings as well.. my opinion..Comment
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lolOriginally posted by pamphage
i might tolerate it until i had enough facts to show them and request that they stop.ticking
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haha, i like your analogy.Originally posted by pamphage
it's basically like trusting a beautiful wife...i mean your almost certain she's doing at least something you don't like behind your back, but what can you do? if she brings home prime pussy every night, then you don't really press the issue.
is that what you are saying, oracle? heheyou don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Originally posted by BlackCrayon
nope, there isn't anything you can really do unless you are a big name willing to spill the beans, then ppl will listen. but you can dump their program. i think one program i am using is shaving, and they are slow as fuck getting me my checks. so i say good bye to them
you mentioned:
"slow as fuck getting me my checks"
I 've noticed the sponsors that pay monthly are the ones that are alittle more Honest than the ones that pay weekly?
also it's a dead give away when you only see unique hit counts for stats those are the 'shaving programs' than the ones that count raw and uniques ? so they have to balance the hit counts out..
also the $100 persignup bullshit speeches even the $40 dollar ones are sucker bait..man do these sponsors look stupid?.. he.he.
got run an look at the shaving pole stats!
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No that's not what Im saying.Originally posted by pamphage
it's basically like trusting a beautiful wife...i mean your almost certain she's doing at least something you don't like behind your back, but what can you do? if she brings home prime pussy every night, then you don't really press the issue.
is that what you are saying, oracle? hehe
I can put money on that you are promoting at least 1 program that shaves!
I don't have no proof... I just know.
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Sometimes, but when I start seeing bad conversions, I send traffic to other sponsors.Comment
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Sic Cash send weekly checks and Im pretty sure they don't shave.Originally posted by Jive
you mentioned:
"slow as fuck getting me my checks"
I 've noticed the sponsors that pay monthly are the ones that are alittle more Honest than the ones that pay weekly?
also it's a dead give away when you only see unique hit counts for stats those are the 'shaving programs' than the ones that count raw and uniques ? so they have to balance the hit counts out..
also the $100 persignup bullshit speeches even the $40 dollar ones are sucker bait..man do these sponsors look stupid?.. he.he. got run an look at the shaving pole stats!
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IMHO, nasty dollars does NOT shave at all. a lot of people say they shave, but not me or any one i know who personally (And we've all used them for years) has ever seen any sign of intentional shaving.Originally posted by SomeCreep
Sometimes, but when I start seeing bad conversions, I send traffic to other sponsors.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR.
Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.
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Thats called professional shaving...Originally posted by pamphage
IMHO, nasty dollars does NOT shave at all. a lot of people say they shave, but not me or any one i know who personally (And we've all used them for years) has ever seen any sign of intentional shaving.
I don't say nasty dollars shave. Never used them other than a little traffic to their hosted galleries. Nothing serious.l
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I cant say for sure whether they do or not (I dont believe they do though). All I can really say about them is that I am very happy with my conversions and I consider them a trustworthy sponsor.Originally posted by pamphage
IMHO, nasty dollars does NOT shave at all. a lot of people say they shave, but not me or any one i know who personally (And we've all used them for years) has ever seen any sign of intentional shaving.Comment
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I wasn't ever really sure.. my ball hairs were always prickly and sensitive to the touch.. then I caught your little sister in the act
needless to say, I'm out 1 testicle
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are there still programs that only pay monthly? the program i was talking about pays every 2 weeks but i am still waiting for my check from nov-1-15.Originally posted by Jive
you mentioned:
"slow as fuck getting me my checks"
I 've noticed the sponsors that pay monthly are the ones that are alittle more Honest than the ones that pay weekly?
also it's a dead give away when you only see unique hit counts for stats those are the 'shaving programs' than the ones that count raw and uniques ? so they have to balance the hit counts out..
also the $100 persignup bullshit speeches even the $40 dollar ones are sucker bait..man do these sponsors look stupid?.. he.he. got run an look at the shaving pole stats!
your post is also somewhat confusing, you seem to be making a comment but then put a question mark after it. its really hard to know for sure when a program is shaving. one sign i look for is if sign ups suddenly drop off for no reason. no change in traffic, links, ect.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Originally posted by SomeCreep
Sometimes, but when I start seeing bad conversions, I send traffic to other sponsors.
I think this moving around game is useless most of the time because your being shaved on the processor level.. I've taken notes and collected alot of very good data over time..more sponsors and processors are getting caught shaving and there necks are on the block they look like fuckin stupid morons and shills..I've tried 100's of sponsors with my very good typein niche based traffic and there's alot of frauds kiling this industry? not to mention all the free porn you can find online, whay would you want to pay for it? theres so many hackers out there..and ;lastly the Visa crunch isn't to kind to us all.. good evening..Comment
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Sorry if I sound alittle off..I was typeing and on the phone at the same time..he.he.Originally posted by BlackCrayon
are there still programs that only pay monthly? the program i was talking about pays every 2 weeks but i am still waiting for my check from nov-1-15.
your post is also somewhat confusing, you seem to be making a comment but then put a question mark after it. its really hard to know for sure when a program is shaving. one sign i look for is if sign ups suddenly drop off for no reason. no change in traffic, links, ect.
YOU MENTIONED:
"if sign ups suddenly drop off for no reason. no change in traffic"
YUP; the sponsor is try to collect signups for free from you!
this is one factor; I had a few sponsors do this method
(no -names) its they don't want to pay anymore I built enough rebills for them they don't want to payout anymore.. they just sit back and collect there rebill money or they think you'll stay on and just get ripped offyou stay and give them free hits! something like that.. some sponsor aren't to bright. they'll let there stupid staff that aren't to quick fuck you over.. they aren;'t running there Biz to smartly and they get lazy..they loose in the end. there really only out there to try to get as much traffic as they can for free.. alot of sponsors try this unfavourable method only to get really crappy worthless traffic not GOLD traffic they can really make a kick ass conversions withthe top traffic holders don't stay unless there getting good decent paydays the sponsors need to understand to share in the profits more playing fair so they can not loose face and go out with grace when ever the end nears? ...Comment
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Those of you worried about being shaved will definitely want to check out our programs. We have sites that will appeal to a bunch of niches, convert like crazy and most of all DON'T shave!
Obviously you guys are worried about losing sales. Have you given any thought to the fact that most sponsors don't only shave as a means of saving money? Many of them also only use cookies to track your sales meaning that those people who have them disabled aren't tracked losing you sales. You should make sure that your sponsor supports IP tracking so that ALL your sales are counted, and what about commission from upsales, do you get those too? Not likely.
You definitely want to make sure of 4 things before you promote a sponsor:
a). They DON'T shave.
b). They have IP AND cookie tracking to cover ALL your surfers.
c). They don't steal your sales by offering the surfer the option of signing up by phone.
d). You get full credit for all other services sold to the surfer while they're on your sponsor site.
I'll let you in on a secret (actually, it's no secret), MensNiche does all of those things!Comment
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I have tried most programs that cover tranny sites and I had to look back at my notes regarding what you were saying aboutOriginally posted by SomeCreep
I cant say for sure whether they do or not (I dont believe they do though). All I can really say about them is that I am very happy with my conversions and I consider them a trustworthy sponsor.
http://Nastydollars.com
I determined they stopped giving me signups after I got 4-5 signups and the shave never came off? to bad I thought there was Hope with them..I crossed them out completely?
they did pay ontime, but no more hits for them!..
(next) if only there was a Honest tranny sponsor out there..Comment
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What tranny sponsors do you promote?Originally posted by Jive
if only there was a Honest tranny sponsor out there..Comment
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i've always thought that mtree shaves... but only at certain times... its like how can conversion ratios go from 1:30 to 1:1000 and back at similar time/day ratios
if you are with a sponsor long enough, you will surely know when it's time to chill on the trafficPubicBucks - Trade your pubes for bucks!Comment
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Bend over and take it in the ass or find a new sponsor.Originally posted by Oracle Porn
I'm sure I am...
but what can I do about it?Want to accept Bitcoin (BTC) on your site without any issues? I modestly estimate a 15%-20% boost in conversions.
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the ones that are fairly honest? and not part of the screw network,. I have pretty darn good tranny traffic. if it doesn't convert with any sponsor then there's (2) reasons why I'm being fucked/shaved or perhaps there site they have is terrible usually not the case most I see that are using a revshare format are shaving you or the webmaster at the processing level is being screwed,examples:in the admin panel not letting the rollovers go through and actually cancelling rebills actually picking what month stealing your hard earn bucks?Originally posted by SomeCreep
What tranny sponsors do you promote?
or a %percentage formuLa., as I stated before CCBILL/IBILL/ most processors allow the sponsor/paysite owner access to these shave tools in the admin interface panel.. in other words try to know your signup patterns your traffic sales/ratios. they'll guide you!
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Its really sad to me that a lot of you guys think all sponsors shave. Some companies understand honesty.IntenseCash.com
~ Chuck | ICQ: 444887112
Top converting sites:
BrokeStraightBoys.com, CollegeDudes.com & CollegeBoyPhysicals.comComment
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That's a bunch of crap. Our sites offer this ability. However we track ALL phone signups because we have them dial the extension that is the affiliates ID.Originally posted by Ben-MensNiche
c). They don't steal your sales by offering the surfer the option of signing up by phone.
An example is affiliate 2069 sends a click that orders by phone. We get an incoming call at out 1800 number at extension 2069 and everything is auto tracked.Comment
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I rarely promote other's sites (only my own), so I am not too concerned about shaving.
Still, if I did promote other sites, I expect there is no need to wonder about it. Just direct your links to a php script in a database to record hits out, and perhaps count uniques with cookies if you are really anal about it.
Now that you have your own stats, about the only thing the sponser knows that you don't, is the actual conversion (pre shave). And if they muck with that, conversions rates go in the toilet and you drop them. I bet most sponsers shave on the hits, not the conversions.
So I would say anybody seriously promoting sites and counting on the income would be nuts to send hits blindly without keeping a careful accounting of them, in my humble opinion.I have no signatureComment
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Depends on the sponsor. Some, yah, others, no.Comment
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LOL, I am sure they do shave... How could I be 0/2188 his period so far?Originally posted by pamphage
IMHO, nasty dollars does NOT shave at all. a lot of people say they shave, but not me or any one i know who personally (And we've all used them for years) has ever seen any sign of intentional shaving.
I had 3 sign ups in previous period, ratio of 1/800
previous period, 3 sales, ratio of 1/599
Something fishy going on there...
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If she cheats then she have to bring home other pussy so I can cheat on her too.Originally posted by pamphage
it's basically like trusting a beautiful wife...i mean your almost certain she's doing at least something you don't like behind your back, but what can you do? if she brings home prime pussy every night, then you don't really press the issue.
is that what you are saying, oracle? heheOriginally posted by rayadp05Comment
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Ive had 3:3 conversion with a sponsor in the past . Its all luckOriginally posted by pornjudge
LOL, I am sure they do shave... How could I be 0/2188 his period so far?
I had 3 sign ups in previous period, ratio of 1/800
previous period, 3 sales, ratio of 1/599
Something fishy going on there...
Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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I don't send much traffic to other programmes - But I do get a steady 1-70 or
less with <a href="http://www.extremepaychecks.com/referral=domino/index.html">Extremechecks</a>.
They also pay on dialers - So all re-directed foriegn traffic can earn you cash,
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Shaving? Something. This always makes me go 'humm', gotta love it about this business.
Date Unique Raw Signups
Sunday, Dec 21 2003 1287 2293 5
Monday, Dec 22 2003 1452 2039 0
Ratios all over the place.
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ya extream pay checks fucking sucks the gotta shave 50%Comment
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If this is tearing you up that bad. Here is what to do.
1. Give 6 of your buds $29.95
2. Have them sign up.
3. See If you got the joins if not go to step 4
4. Look them up in Who is
5. buy a plane ticket and go there
6. check them out find out if they any pets they really love. If so go to step 7 if not go to step 8
7. Take there pet and skin it and hang it over there bed
8. Find were there wife works take her out for lunch after that go back to your room and blow a load in her mouth. .... If there is no wife find his Mom.... Be sure to take pics you can allways use free content
9. Go back home and be thankfull that your not in him.
10. Drop there program and find a new one.
11. If you dont have the balls for steps 1-9 just use step 10.
Just my
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its hard to prove that a sponsor shaves. but if i knew 100% that a company did shave then how could you trust that sponsor? what will they do next to keep more of your money?Comment
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I am shaved by some programs for sure but I know for a fact some like FTC dont shaveComment
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I'm sure that a certain popular teen niche site shaves because all the traffic I send them is search engine traffic and its converting 1:1531..Comment
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I'm sure in the past I have been shaved. Probably with a few of the programes I tried that did not convert.
But here's the thing. If I ever am or have promoted someone and they are reasonably shown to be shaving, you can bet I'll be right here on this board and any other board that will have me posting links to it along with anything else I can to help spread the word including the names of the people behind the program. I'll be doing this everyday until they ban me.
Personally, if I were a program owner that shaved I'd be a little worried that there are other guys like me out there. People who cheat have time working against them...I don't care how "big" you think you are. Honesty has it's own rewards.Comment
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yes iam.
I never get the same amont of click (sometimes 3x) for the same gal layout on different sponsor and on the same tgp listed at the same spot.PaRaDiGmComment
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I think so, some pay periods i'm 1:2000 (tgp traffic) and other pay periods i'm 1:6000
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you will never prove you was shaved -- or it;'s very difficultComment
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you not balancing out at all, you were being shaved onOriginally posted by jawanda
Shaving? Something. This always makes me go 'humm', gotta love it about this business.
Date Unique Raw Signups
Sunday, Dec 21 2003 1287 2293 5
Monday, Dec 22 2003 1452 2039 0
Ratios all over the place.
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the Dec 22 you know your traffic better than most.. dump the sponsor your dealing with..Comment
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