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12-25-2003, 05:29 PM

I have a pretty good cc processor at the moment, but since it is a small company, the affiliate program fails to pick up.

I am now thinking to use either ccbill or verotel for a new site. I know, both companies have a good reputation.

My customers usually come from the US and a small percentage from Japan and Korea, almost no European sign ups.

I know of a few webmasters that moved away from ccbill because they had less declines with other companies and made much more money with smaller processors. On the other hand I also know some people that went from verotel to ccbill ....

What yould you suggest?

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12-25-2003, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by faxxaff
I have a pretty good cc processor at the moment, but since it is a small company, the affiliate program fails to pick up.

I am now thinking to use either ccbill or verotel for a new site. I know, both companies have a good reputation.

My customers usually come from the US and a small percentage from Japan and Korea, almost no European sign ups.

I know of a few webmasters that moved away from ccbill because they had less declines with other companies and made much more money with smaller processors. On the other hand I also know some people that went from verotel to ccbill ....

What yould you suggest?

We've been with other billing companies in the past but CCBill has been around forever and pays on time. Less declines may mean more chargebacks in the long run.

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12-25-2003, 05:47 PM

Over the past 5 years this is what we have found. Epoch are a good honest company but seem to have a very high scrub rate , CCbill also one of the first processing companys as with Epoch they have a good customer service both pay on time and we have few refunds if any with these guys. Now Ibill who are keeping a low profile are still fucking up big time. Refunds are made without reason and customer service sucks. Our rep at Ibill took off on the 22nd Dec 2003 and will not be back till the 5th Jan 2004. With Epoch i can even call Amparo to-day ( Christmas day) and she will answer her cell and talk to me , Lange was also a good guy at CCBIll lets hope his replacement is also as good.

Go with CCbill they are good people or give Epoch a try

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12-25-2003, 06:25 PM

we use both,

ccbill and verotel, ccbill is our prime and verotel secondary

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12-25-2003, 06:35 PM

Now Ibill who are keeping a low profile are still fucking up big time. Refunds are made without reason and customer service sucks. Our rep at Ibill took off on the 22nd Dec 2003 and will not be back till the 5th Jan 2004. With Epoch i can even call Amparo to-day ( Christmas day) and she will answer her cell and talk to me , Lange was also a good guy at CCBIll lets hope his replacement is also as good.

Go with CCbill they are good people or give Epoch a try

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I know ibill sucks big time. I have some revshare accounts and their customer service is very bad. Normally they never bother to reply ....

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12-25-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by faxxaff
I have a pretty good cc processor at the moment, but since it is a small company, the affiliate program fails to pick up.

I am now thinking to use either ccbill or verotel for a new site. I know, both companies have a good reputation.

My customers usually come from the US and a small percentage from Japan and Korea, almost no European sign ups.

I know of a few webmasters that moved away from ccbill because they had less declines with other companies and made much more money with smaller processors. On the other hand I also know some people that went from verotel to ccbill ....

What yould you suggest?

If you plan to have an affiliate program, my suggestion would be IBILL or EPOCH... If you dont have affiliate I would go with CCbill...
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12-25-2003, 10:20 PM

I haven't had any experience with Verotel but CCBizzle has always kicked ass! Great folk, great product, snazzy limo bus!

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12-25-2003, 10:23 PM

if you need to be more affiliate friendly use ccbill

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12-25-2003, 11:03 PM

i see threads regularly on all the boards asking for sponsors that use ccbill. when we started our program, i got emails asking if we also used ccbill.

as far as i can tell, ccbill is the most desirable for the largest number of potential affiliates.

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12-25-2003, 11:33 PM

Verotel does not scrub anywhere near as hard as scrubbill and there chargebacks are not an issue either.
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12-26-2003, 09:55 AM

Verotel is working great for me. CCBill is getting too picky on what sites they want to work with and that's the first sign of a visa-punk who will end up shutting down.

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12-26-2003, 09:57 AM

We've used CCBill for years with no complaints. We also use ProBilling and they are damn good too.

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12-26-2003, 10:05 AM

Verotel is working great for me. CCBill is getting too picky on what sites they want to work with and that's the first sign of a visa-punk who will end up shutting down.

Ahhhh lol NO! Its more like the sign of a company that has things under control and that is looking out for its current clients.

Amazing!

Trust me... In the next 6 months... companies like Veretol that skirt around the Visa issues with be shut down. Visa is going ot be making some huge changes in the next 6 months and people who do not play by there rules will be gone.

I know that my company and most every other will not send traffic to sponsors that try to skirt the visa regs.

If you want a good processor... use ccbill. paycom (epoch) jettis. HEll I would use IBill before I would send traffic to a Veretol site.

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12-26-2003, 10:08 AM

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12-26-2003, 10:12 AM

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if you need to be more affiliate friendly use ccbill

LOL C'mon now just because you own the site, for sure you will say they are affiliate friendly, you know this is BS... Its more like friendly for you, LOL... with all that shaving & scrubbing & cookie shit, more money in your pockets for you. I am not saying that you are shaving but the option is there & I wont do business with sites like this anymore. By the way, you're site was one that I dropped from my list due that you are using CCbill.
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12-26-2003, 10:19 AM

LOL C'mon now just because you own the site, for sure you will say they are affiliate friendly, you know this is BS... Its more like friendly for you, LOL... with all that shaving & scrubbing & cookie shit, more money in your pockets for you. I am not saying that you are shaving but the option is there & I wont do business with sites like this anymore. By the way, you're site was one that I dropped from my list due that you are using CCbill.

Again... post the proof. Are you saying the thousands of programs and the thousands of affiliates tha tuse ccbill are wrong? lol dude! Sure.. off of us use them because they suck?

Catch a clue man!

Post your proof of the shaving or stfu!

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12-26-2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Cindyff
Over the past 5 years this is what we have found. Epoch are a good honest company but seem to have a very high scrub rate , CCbill also one of the first processing companys as with Epoch they have a good customer service both pay on time and we have few refunds if any with these guys. Now Ibill who are keeping a low profile are still fucking up big time. Refunds are made without reason and customer service sucks. Our rep at Ibill took off on the 22nd Dec 2003 and will not be back till the 5th Jan 2004. With Epoch i can even call Amparo to-day ( Christmas day) and she will answer her cell and talk to me , Lange was also a good guy at CCBIll lets hope his replacement is also as good.

Go with CCbill they are good people or give Epoch a try

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12-26-2003, 10:22 AM

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12-26-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Again... post the proof. Are you saying the thousands of programs and the thousands of affiliates tha tuse ccbill are wrong? lol dude! Sure.. off of us use them because they suck?

Catch a clue man!

Post your proof of the shaving or stfu!

Hey girl, I don't need to show you anything, you know what the fuck I am talking about. I have been in the business to fuckin long & promoting 100's of programs. I would not say my traffic is the best but its ok. I convert with sites using Paycom & Ibill like 1-600 on average. CCbill 4-30 000, there is something fuckin wrong there, don't ya think so? With all that shaving options that you guys have in you're admin, why should we trust anyone using ccbill as a CCP? Its like leaving cash lying around your car & not locking the doors & come back just to find out that someone stole your money. Sorry girl but I have been in this business for a while now & always used affiliates & made a bundle of money with ccbill in the past but now it will not happen if they don't change things so affiliates could start earning again. The cookie thing is one big problem they need to solve until then Paycom will get my business.
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12-26-2003, 11:03 AM

Hey girl, I don't need to show you anything, you know what the fuck I am talking about. I have been in the business to fuckin long & promoting 100's of programs. I would not say my traffic is the best but its ok. I convert with sites using Paycom & Ibill like 1-600 on average. CCbill 4-30 000, there is something fuckin wrong there, don't ya think so? With all that shaving options that you guys have in you're admin, why should we trust anyone using ccbill as a CCP? Its like leaving cash lying around your car & not locking the doors & come back just to find out that someone stole your money. Sorry girl but I have been in this business for a while now & always used affiliates & made a bundle of money with ccbill in the past but now it will not happen if they don't change things so affiliates could start earning again. The cookie thing is one big problem they need to solve until then Paycom will get my business.

Pffffft!

Your drivel is meningless without back up. and should be deemed as some sort of personal vendetta agasint ccbill or one of its employees. You have none while we have hundreds of thousands of tranactions to back up our claims. I can back it up along with my over 1000 affiliates that send us traffic everyday.

So...

1. Post where the traffic is coming from and how its being sent.

2. Show us the galleries you used.

3. Show us the proof of ccbill shaving.

4. Show us the stats of 0:30,000

5. Show us what programs you were sending to.

Or, stfu!

I dont care if you have been in the business for 30 years. Not impressed. What impresses me is people that can make an accusation then back it up, not getting defensive when they are called on the carpet.

I dont mean to be harsh, but I cant stand it when people make remarks like you have without the willingness to back it up. As to the "shaving" options.. haha! There are none... you cant shave your affiliate if they get a notifcation email when any changes hav ebeen made ot the way they are paid. CCbill sends a notification email on ANY change to an affiliates payout porfolio. It would be just stupid for a sponsor to screw with or try to shave an ccbill affiliate.

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12-26-2003, 11:13 AM

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Pffffft!

Your drivel is meningless without back up. and should be deemed as some sort of personal vendetta agasint ccbill or one of its employees. You have none while we have hundreds of thousands of tranactions to back up our claims. I can back it up along with my over 1000 affiliates that send us traffic everyday.

So...

1. Post where the traffic is coming from and how its being sent.

2. Show us the galleries you used.

3. Show us the proof of ccbill shaving.

4. Show us the stats of 0:30,000

5. Show us what programs you were sending to.

Or, stfu!

I dont care if you have been in the business for 30 years. Not impressed. What impresses me is people that can make an accusation then back it up. Not getting defensive when they are called on the carpet.

LOL, WTF have you been smoking the past few months, have you seen the fuckin CCbill threads, I am not the only unsatisfied affiliate out there, I am not judging CCbill from only 1 site, shit I promote 11 CCbill affiliates & they are all the freakin same. Most of All my other sites using Paycom or Ibill are doing fine. Ex: ARS, Nastydollars, NScash.... I could Go ON and ON and ON but I am not here to advertise anyone. As for the list of me showing you, there is no need to show you shit girl. CCbill as it already. I am still waiting for a responce I am not here to dish anyone but I just want them to fix their tracking problem, thats it... If you say they don't have a Cookie problem, well you really are an hypocrite
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12-26-2003, 11:23 AM

LOL, WTF have you been smoking the past few months, have you seen the fuckin CCbill threads,

Im to old to smoke anything and Im not a girl I have seen the threads and I have seen that most are spear-headed by you. Hense my response to you in this thread.

I just find it interesting that I can go to my stats, (which I run independently of ccbill I might add) and watch our affiliates ratios and see NOTHNG of what you are experiencing. I also talk to otehr program owners everyday where we discuss such issues and no one has the experiences you are except for a stay affiliate with aweful traffic now and then.

Now.. we are going to our own stats program for our affiliates here in a week or so.. its all ready and we are taking care of the cookie issue that you are referring to. However, ccbill is rock solid and your claims are still unfounded. Please prove to me otherwise and I will retrack my remarks, but I dont see that happening.

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12-26-2003, 11:58 AM

Pornjudge isn't the only one having probs with scrubbill. The day I switched from them to Verotel my sales and C/R went through the roof and have not changed since. Thank god I don't get those stupid decline emails all day long....
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12-26-2003, 04:52 PM

As more and more billers go under CCBill gets more and more popular meaning more bitching and bullshit.

The fact is nothing is more safe then using a solid third party biller.

I never shaved or screwed anyone in this business, the fact that your numbers arent good dont mean that everyone is scamming you.

Way out of line.

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12-26-2003, 04:53 PM

ccbill by far
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12-26-2003, 05:18 PM

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ccbill by far

You could say that when they solve their cookie issue & shaving options.... CCbill is not for affiliates anymore.... END OF THE LINE!!!
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12-26-2003, 06:45 PM

No doubt about it, CCBill

I have used both at the same time and my customers chose CCBill 25 to 1 over Verotel EVEN when CCBill was on the left half of the screen.

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12-26-2003, 06:53 PM

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I give Verotel 6 months

6 months ago i saw people saying exactly the same thing.. i think people dont have a clue on how big verotel is
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12-26-2003, 06:56 PM

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Hey girl, I don't need to show you anything, you know what the fuck I am talking about. I have been in the business to fuckin long & promoting 100's of programs. I would not say my traffic is the best but its ok. I convert with sites using Paycom & Ibill like 1-600 on average. CCbill 4-30 000, there is something fuckin wrong there, don't ya think so? With all that shaving options that you guys have in you're admin, why should we trust anyone using ccbill as a CCP? Its like leaving cash lying around your car & not locking the doors & come back just to find out that someone stole your money. Sorry girl but I have been in this business for a while now & always used affiliates & made a bundle of money with ccbill in the past but now it will not happen if they don't change things so affiliates could start earning again. The cookie thing is one big problem they need to solve until then Paycom will get my business.

YOU SAID:
"With all that shaving options that you guys have in you're admin, why should we trust anyone using ccbill as a CCP"

Dude you are so right! a standing ovation! not to mention Verotel
they just stopped giving us signups once we hooked them up after 5 days same with http://achdebit.com they stopped signups in 3 days and finally Electriccash another poor outfit.. another 7 days signups just stopped? whatz up? there dirty thats whats dead wrong!there's control shit going on.. and YUP! Ibill has the same features to shave with as CCbill does most of the revshares are on CCBILL and lean towards these Admin features we are seeing? the processors need to smarten up bigtime!.. remove the burn buttons it's hurting biz..

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12-26-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Alvaro

6 months ago i saw people saying exactly the same thing.. i think people dont have a clue on how big verotel are

they don't have a clue how different european mentality is either. there is a good chance verotel will out last all of them simply because the euros aren't tripping out like american visa.

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12-26-2003, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by pamphage

they don't have a clue how different european mentality is either. there is a good chance verotel will out last all of them simply because the euros aren't tripping out like american visa.

Euro dollars is inplace for a reason so the american dollar wouldn't over come there? the euro will be all over Europe in the future as a hole? I didn't agree with the idea in the beginning but I understand now.. the top sponsor's have to understand as well having 20 different doorway paysite programs owned under one
main one doesn't last? there's so many clone programs out there lately are only put online to burn/cheat/ webmasters, what a shame the online programs go this way..

I personally hit alot of dead end processors that frankly are dirty!
same with alot of sponsors programs look pretty but don't pay?

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12-26-2003, 07:32 PM

hmmmm ... what do you mean by shaving options?

I signed up for some subscriptions of ccbill affiliate programs that I promote and the signups never showed up in my stats. When I consulted ccbill they said that in their records no affiliate referal could be found .... so far I thought that they have problems with netscape or macs ... but when I hear the voices in this thread I am getting scared ...

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12-26-2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Dailydiapers
Verotel is working great for me. CCBill is getting too picky on what sites they want to work with and that's the first sign of a visa-punk who will end up shutting down.

Is CCBill not covering soft fetish like diapers?

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12-26-2003, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
I give Verotel 6 months

I wouldn't say that, but I would say that the game is Verotel's to lose. The have to be compliant and they also have to get a grip on some of the more extreme sites they are processing for.

I do have a site with Verotel, but I would not feel secure doing another until there is a clean up.

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12-28-2003, 09:15 AM

Time to say something ;)

I run 3 tgp's sending out a shitload of hits to hosted galleries and banners and was horny to signup for sponsors using ccbill to get big checks LOL
I'm so happy when the 13 sites I promote getting a ratio from 1:9000, sorry but I won't signup for a program using ccbill anymore.

It doesn't matter if I send 100 hits throu a banner or 1000 hits from a gallery, it doesn't work for me.

Damn, with hosted galleries from nastydollars I'm about 1:500

Just my 2cents

Spam me with verotel affiliate proggies with hosted gals and I will send traffic.

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12-28-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by faxxaff
hmmmm ... what do you mean by shaving options?

I signed up for some subscriptions of ccbill affiliate programs that I promote and the signups never showed up in my stats. When I consulted ccbill they said that in their records no affiliate referal could be found .... so far I thought that they have problems with netscape or macs ... but when I hear the voices in this thread I am getting scared ...

Hmmm, this issue for a honest and valid processor seems to make 'the air burn' - high emotional
But we also are discussing currently the poss. of a good and valuable cc-proc. - but it's really hard to catch on with it - shaving, no good CS and, and, and ...

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12-28-2003, 09:39 AM

ccbill rocks

but a big big plus for verotel is that they accept direct debit payments = cash from europe
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12-28-2003, 09:41 AM

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ccbill rocks

but a big big plus for verotel is that they accept direct debit payments = cash from europe

Sounds good - do they also accept comps from Easteurope?

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12-28-2003, 09:43 AM

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12-28-2003, 09:52 AM

CCBILL

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12-28-2003, 09:55 AM

Simple --- CCBILL is the best out there. Both for the webmaster admin, and the aff. admin. And the customer service is top notch.

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12-28-2003, 10:06 AM

If i've counted right, so far:

CCBill: 14
Epoch: 3
Verotel: 3
IBill: 1
ProBill: 1

Hmm...counts--->CCBILL ?

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12-28-2003, 11:57 AM

CCBill for sure is the best around now.

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12-28-2003, 01:33 PM

There are no shaving options in the ccbill webmaster admin. There are some program flexibility options that *could* be used for shaving, but as someone else said, the affiliate(s) who get there payouts changed will receive an email. So that's one load of bullshit someones spreading.

Regarding the cookie problem. I can't speak for other people, but I don't have a problem with it. On 74177 clicks to my ccbill sponsors over the last month, the people who had cookies turned off (I.E. PHP setcookie wouldn't work) was less than 1%. Something to keep in mind and check from time to time, but hardly earth shattering losses.

My ratios are fine, not as good as some claim on GFY, but I'm happy with them. If your ratios suck, a bit of research on the sites you promote might help instead of whinging like a little girl and blaming everybody except yourself.

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12-28-2003, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by body
Time to say something ;)

I run 3 tgp's sending out a shitload of hits to hosted galleries and banners and was horny to signup for sponsors using ccbill to get big checks LOL
I'm so happy when the 13 sites I promote getting a ratio from 1:9000, sorry but I won't signup for a program using ccbill anymore.

It doesn't matter if I send 100 hits throu a banner or 1000 hits from a gallery, it doesn't work for me.

Damn, with hosted galleries from nastydollars I'm about 1:500

Just my 2cents

Spam me with verotel affiliate proggies with hosted gals and I will send traffic.

Now go fuck yourself

Finally, someone with a brain. CCbill is not affiliate friendly anymore.... Fuckin face it you guys that are running paysites that use ccbill, for sure you dont give a shit.... More money in your pocket. You know what I say to that
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12-28-2003, 02:13 PM

ccbill rocks

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12-28-2003, 02:23 PM

CCBILL rocks for us and all of my affiliates. Not one affilaite over 1: 874 and thats the exception to the rull. Most all of our serious affiliates are 1:50 - 1:500 at the worst.

As to pornjudge... he finally found a buddy with 77 post that agrees with him Everyone needs a friend I guess.

Its not gone from a one man to a two man soap box

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12-28-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
CCBILL rocks for us and all of my affiliates. Not one affilaite over 1: 874 and thats the exception to the rull. Most all of our serious affiliates are 1:50 - 1:500 at the worst.

As to pornjudge... he finally found a buddy with 77 post that agrees with him Everyone needs a friend I guess.

Its not gone from a one man to a two man soap box

You know what I say to that, you are full of SHIT and you know it. Why don't you really be honest and tell us that your partners ratios are more like 1/5000, this ratio would be about right if you use CCbill as CCP. Their is more then two of us my friend that agrees that CCbill is gone to shits with affiliates, face it.... I am sure you don't promote other sites then yours, so you would not know what the hell we are talking about so STFU

Did you also notice that most of the people that say CCbill rocks, most of them own the site. For sure they will say they rock, they get all the fuckin sales & us starving fuckin affiliates are just working for FREE when we promote a ccbill sponsor.

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12-28-2003, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
As to pornjudge... he finally found a buddy with 77 post that agrees with him Everyone needs a friend I guess.

LOL what has my 77 posts to do with that? I'm as long here as you and I'm every day on gfy

just btw, so many constructive and interesting threads aren't here! I don't wanna write "I'd hit her" or "its a tranny" hahahahahaha

Hey, where are the webmasters promoting sponsors using ccbill? I don't care what a affiliate proggie owner has to say about his/her ratios, I don't know a human saying anything bad about his company

so c'mon, my ratio sucks

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12-28-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter

Is CCBill not covering soft fetish like diapers?

Nope. They refused our site without even reviewing the content. They said the obsenity laws applies to urine/scat sites, so they won't accept any diaper sites (even ones, like mine, which do not involve scat/urine)

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