Why cry about spam? If you don't like it, block it. I used to get tons of spam, now it's almost all blocked at the server. What makes it past the server gets nabbed before it reaches my inbox. Problem solved.
Originally posted by Armed & Hammered Why cry about spam? If you don't like it, block it. I used to get tons of spam, now it's almost all blocked at the server. What makes it past the server gets nabbed before it reaches my inbox. Problem solved.
You know, that's easy to say when you're on broadband.
It's a different story for the poor fuckers in 3rd-world countries who are don't have the option, ot are just too poor.
When I was visiting my family in South Africa a couple of months ago, I checked my email using my sister's machine. My regular amount of spam tied up her phone for over half an hour, and over there you pay for phonecalls by the minute.
My point being, spam costs money, especially for poor people. I'm sure most of you guys would sing a different song if checking your email would cost you a dollar every time.
Why? Because I can filter spam? If that's all it takes to make you think poorly of someone you must have a lot of enemies.
We're misscommunicating here. Everyone can filter spam, the connection speed has nothing to do with that. But even with all your filters set up, you're still having to download all the spam, and here is where the connection speed is an issue. Every time I checked my mail at my sister's place, the cost of the phonecall was about $1, (no flat rate for local calls in many countries, you pay by the minute) because it took that long to check the mail. No problem for me, but a serious problem for someone having to live on $400 a month.
Originally posted by mule
We're misscommunicating here. Everyone can filter spam, the connection speed has nothing to do with that. But even with all your filters set up, you're still having to download all the spam, and here is where the connection speed is an issue. Every time I checked my mail at my sister's place, the cost of the phonecall was about $1, (no flat rate for local calls in many countries, you pay by the minute) because it took that long to check the mail. No problem for me, but a serious problem for someone having to live on $400 a month.
Like I said, the majority of my spam is blocked at the server. It never gets to me. I DO NOT download it. I only have to download about 15-20 spams a day and those are moved to my deleted items folder. The technology exists to block spam quite effectively and very inexpensively. Instead of complaining about spam to people who can/will do nothing about it, complain to the ISP so they will implement a spam blocking solution.
Originally posted by Armed & Hammered I DO NOT download it.
OK, you don't.
I only have to download about 15-20 spams a day and those are moved to my deleted items folder.
You do?
Make up your mind
C'mon dude, you aren't a retard, why is this so difficult to grasp?
No ISP can block all spam, some is always going to get through.
The spam I was downloading in South Africa, that was costing me $1 a time, was also in the region of 15 to 20 per day.
What's the problem. I have turned of one of my comps for just two days and when I got back it online I just received 2984 Spam Mails. About 500 where not catched by the filter, but it takes me just 10 minutes to delete them
Originally posted by mule
You do?
Make up your mind
C'mon dude, you aren't a retard, why is this so difficult to grasp?
No ISP can block all spam, some is always going to get through.
The spam I was downloading in South Africa, that was costing me $1 a time, was also in the region of 15 to 20 per day.
15-20 emails is insignificant compared to the total volume I would have if I weren't blocking. If it takes more than a minute to download that many emails wherever you are, find something else to do. I assumed you were talking about hundreds of emails (which I can download on dialup in just a minute or two). Your email isn't that important. If it were, you would be able to afford an alternative. I guess you need to do something to look important so your sister doesn't think you're a failure.
Filtering spam is a fucking waste of time. It's a temporary mesure that only serve as a non display settings. It's doesn't do anything to stop the spamming. I speak of experience with my hotmail accounts that are filtered to death but still receive a ton of junk mail. It makes me lauph when i see some poeples stating their absolut beleif in filtering technics. It doesn't work unless you are sending an e-mail the other way. It's called counter spamming by spamming them back. This way, i found out the spammers do eventually remove you. And if it is send from a interim e-mail, it makes that user aware that they are fucked up by spammers.
Their is no perfect solution, and we do all agree on that. But i think filtering isn't a good solution anymore if it's not linked to a more agressive action...
I use spamarrest and i must say that it has worked for me. I used the free for a while, and now had payed for 6 months. It's a great services.
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Originally posted by Antxx Filtering spam is a fucking waste of time. It's a temporary mesure that only serve as a non display settings. It's doesn't do anything to stop the spamming. I speak of experience with my hotmail accounts that are filtered to death but still receive a ton of junk mail. It makes me lauph when i see some poeples stating their absolut beleif in filtering technics. It doesn't work unless you are sending an e-mail the other way. It's called counter spamming by spamming them back. This way, i found out the spammers do eventually remove you. And if it is send from a interim e-mail, it makes that user aware that they are fucked up by spammers.
Their is no perfect solution, and i think we do all agree on that. But i think filtering isn't a good solution anymore if it's not linked to a more agressive action...
I use spamarrest and i must say that it has worked for me. I used the free for a while, and now had payed for 6 months. It's a great services, i think.
This isn't about Hotmail, son. If you are getting bombarded by spam and you have your own server, you are inept. The perfect solution would be getting spammers to stop. Since that obviously can't be done, you need to settle for the next best thing. Anyone who thinks that filtering email at the server doesn't work, I would urge you to look at http://spamassassin.taint.org/ or one of the other similar programs.
This isn't about Hotmail, son. If you are getting bombarded by spam and you have your own server, you are inept. The perfect solution would be getting spammers to stop. Since that obviously can't be done, you need to settle for the next best thing. Anyone who thinks that filtering email at the server doesn't work, I would urge you to look at http://spamassassin.taint.org/ or one of the other similar programs.
Maybe...but you may be a bit too fatalistic about spammers. In my book they can be stop. If you start with a mentality that they never will be stop, no ones will try to stop them. That's my point, that before you can acheive something, you need to think that it can be done. It's not a question of beeing unrealistic, but more to have the thoughs that will help you to find solutions to the spamming problem. And you could say that it's one person against big corp of spamming. The fact is, that it only takes one poeple sometimes... For me filtering is like, getting your arms beside your body, bent your head, kneel and pray, and hope god will solve/stop the spamming. I don't see it happens unless you put more resolve into it. I like spamarrest because they sent an e-mail to the sender, at least it's a bit more an agressive action than a simple filtering technic.
I also saw a software using P2P...it was name spaminit or something like that. But i had some bugs with XP. The difference is that they share their spammer list.
Wanna know my oppinion? Some spammers just doing their business. And some kind of spammer discussing some very stupid questions. I call this menthal masturbation. If you hate all of them - read that domain name. Nothing personal, really. =)
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Originally posted by 404
you could just as equally apply that argument to drug dealers.
although it could be argued that dealers are more ethical because they at least have willing recipients
I just don't know whe was offended more, drugdealers or adult content providers. Although it could be considered that content providers does no harm to one's health.
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Originally posted by mule
but a serious problem for someone having to live on $400 a month.
If you are living on $400 a month why and how are you on the internet anyways. if checking your email cost that much then wouldnt surfing the internet cost a fortune. espcially on dial up when the average site takes a minute to load.
The point I'm trying to make here is that saying spam costs people money is fucking stupid if you cant afford to surf the net and get e-mail then dont.
The real fucked up thing is the 10 to 15 pizza ads i get in my real mail box every week allong with all the other bullshit for music clubs and all that shit. I would rather delete it from my inbox. multiply the amount of shit i get in my real mail box by the 60 million or so houses in this country and there you will see something way more fucked up than spam.
Originally posted by mule
We're misscommunicating here. Everyone can filter spam, the connection speed has nothing to do with that. But even with all your filters set up, you're still having to download all the spam, and here is where the connection speed is an issue. Every time I checked my mail at my sister's place, the cost of the phonecall was about $1, (no flat rate for local calls in many countries, you pay by the minute) because it took that long to check the mail. No problem for me, but a serious problem for someone having to live on $400 a month.
$400 a month? So poverty now includes a computer with internet service and a phone line. People living off of $400 a month should not worry about checking or filtering their email. $400 a month might go far in other 3rd world countries as opposed to in the US... but all in all, spam should be the least of your concerns in a 3rd world country.... period.
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$400 a month? So poverty now includes a computer with internet service and a phone line. People living off of $400 a month should not worry about checking or filtering their email. $400 a month might go far in other 3rd world countries as opposed to in the US... but all in all, spam should be the least of your concerns in a 3rd world country.... period.
Yep, and if there's no bread, they should eat cake
Fuck, I've never seen so many short-sighted, smug posts in one thread
Originally posted by mule
Yep, and if there's no bread, they should eat cake
Fuck, I've never seen so many short-sighted, smug posts in one thread
Well there's so many filters available, if people truly do not want to download spam or however their email system works, they could prevent some of it. I use Yahoo email for a lot of sponsor related things and 99% of my mail goes to the bulk folder. If they can surf the net, they can use a service like this for free instead of downloading from programs like Outlook etc.
Unwanted advertising is now a fact of life. It takes me maybe 60 seconds to delete 500 spam emails. It never bothered me. But I'll tell ya what does bother me. My postal mail box or PO box crammed full of paper junk mail, waiting 30 minutes on hold to get customer support from a broken english speaking operator in India, all the while listening to advertisement after advertisement for services I would never need. Plus the 5 or 6 telemarketing calls I used to get everyday, which made me not want to answer numbers that showed as "Unknown" or "Out of area" on the caller ID are something to complain about. Time is a valuable thing. Nonstop sales pitches that are very time consuming, compared to a few seconds or minutes to delete email that you don't even have to receive in the first place, if you use the right services or filters, is a whole different story.
And whomever is sending that much spam to an area of people living off of $400 a month, seriously needs to scrub their lists a bit harder
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