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  • biskoppen
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2003
    • 5809

    #1

    Ccbill Listen To This!

    I'm sitting here unable to see my aff. ID in the source code of the signup page with ANY of my ccbill sponsors.

    Why? Because you're using cookies only which steals like 30% of all sales I make.. (I don't know how much it steals, 30% just sounds good )

    What you need to do is to expand your system to save the IP of the surfer too and track signups on that too

    Spare me for the "Why don't you just write them an email" posts .. you know just as well as me that it won't help shit..

    I'm quite sure we're alot of people who'd like to see this feature being implemented ASAP

    I know some people shares IP .. but I can't imagine that should be much of a problem..

    Anyone who agrees with me please comment so CCBILL can see that I'm not the only one aware of this problem, people who disagree

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  • who
    So Fucking Banned
    • Aug 2003
    • 19593

    #2
    How can they LISTEN to a post that is just a bunch of text?

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    • biskoppen
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2003
      • 5809

      #3
      Originally posted by .?.
      How can they LISTEN to a post that is just a bunch of text?
      I'll pretend I didn't hear that!
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      • johnbosh
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2002
        • 8965

        #4
        yup great tips bet they dont do it

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        • gornyhuy
          Chafed.
          • May 2002
          • 18041

          #5
          I'd like to hear the official response to the cookie policy...

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          • smproduction
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2003
            • 508

            #6
            It is a good idea.......but it doesnt solve the problem
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            • biskoppen
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2003
              • 5809

              #7
              Originally posted by smproduction
              It is a good idea.......but it doesnt solve the problem
              No, not completely. So other ideas should be posted here as well
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              • Anna_O
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2002
                • 5773

                #8
                *bump*


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                • Dragonsxxx
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 519

                  #9
                  Bump for the Bishop
                  Try something that really converts
                  Naughty America i've been using them awhile now and the rebills really started to kick in
                  Payment every friday (also via epassporte)

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                  • Trax
                    [----------------------]
                    • Aug 2001
                    • 14486

                    #10
                    this is a long known problem
                    processing only with ccbill would be a bad idea for affiliates

                    in general my ccbill sites are converting way worse than the epoch,... sites do

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                    • monro
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 787

                      #11
                      Be patient!
                      Corvett know and is working on it.
                      Let him wake up, it's night over there.

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                      • monro
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 787

                        #12
                        Originally posted by biskoppen
                        I'm sitting here unable to see my aff. ID in the source code of the signup page with ANY of my ccbill sponsors.

                        Why? Because you're using cookies only which steals like 30% of all sales I make.. (I don't know how much it steals, 30% just sounds good )

                        What you need to do is to expand your system to save the IP of the surfer too and track signups on that too

                        Spare me for the "Why don't you just write them an email" posts .. you know just as well as me that it won't help shit..

                        I'm quite sure we're alot of people who'd like to see this feature being implemented ASAP

                        I know some people shares IP .. but I can't imagine that should be much of a problem..

                        Anyone who agrees with me please comment so CCBILL can see that I'm not the only one aware of this problem, people who disagree

                        biskoppen, please ICQ me: 230743090
                        monro

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                        • monro
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 787

                          #13
                          biskoppen?

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                          • liquidmoe
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 4994

                            #14
                            Am I mistaken or was this brought up last week? And wasnt there a reply from CCBill about tracking for non-cookie users?

                            Take Luck!

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                            • p1mpdogg
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 16714

                              #15
                              CCBILL LISTEN TO THIS!!!

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                              • stocktrader23
                                Let's do some business.
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 18781

                                #16
                                Bitches listen to this!

                                I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!


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                                • DarkJedi
                                  No Refunds Issued.
                                  • Feb 2001
                                  • 28301

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                  Bitches listen to this!

                                  I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!
                                  its not about how many people use cookies.

                                  duh.

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                                  • freeones
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 3406

                                    #18
                                    I think this thread is interesting and a CCBil lreply would be even more interesting

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                                    • fedfest
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2002
                                      • 1334

                                      #19
                                      Now isn't it funny that so many sponsors say that CCbill is the best prosessor.. and so many affiliates complain about it ?

                                      Well.. the less reff id's they track the more money right down the sponsors pockets..


                                      Beeing that CCbill sponsors is the worst converting for me to, i do hope the come up with way more improvements for the affiliates, though i doubt it as that might loose them some sponsors
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                                      • Tipsy
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 6989

                                        #20
                                        It's a problem that's needed to be addressed for a long while. However people get a little confused about cookies - it's a LOT lower than 30% for the type of cookie CCBill is using. Most people with cookies off are simply blocking 3rd party cookies which is not the type CCBill uses.

                                        Even so the system and the sites in it should be using cookies AND simple tracking through the site. It's not like it's hard to do.
                                        Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                        • monro
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 787

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                          Bitches listen to this!

                                          I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!
                                          How can you say a thing like that?

                                          When all those virus warnings was all over the news, it was alot of instructions how to set IE to a high security level.
                                          High security level = no cookies = no affiliate payment

                                          What do you mean "Bitches" Are you a sponsor making money out of this and does not like it being dicussed?

                                          All sponsors using ccbill can in their stats see all signups where the the affiliate is not paid and the affiliates URL as well.
                                          THAT can be done, not the payment?

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                                          • monro
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 787

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Tipsy
                                            It's a problem that's needed to be addressed for a long while. However people get a little confused about cookies - it's a LOT lower than 30% for the type of cookie CCBill is using. Most people with cookies off are simply blocking 3rd party cookies which is not the type CCBill uses.

                                            Even so the system and the sites in it should be using cookies AND simple tracking through the site. It's not like it's hard to do.
                                            I smell something more in this. I have made a lot of testing to find out for myself what's going on and why as an example AFF can have the very same signup ratio for years...
                                            AFF do not use ccbill
                                            Three of my sponsors using ccbill do not pay my share when a customer has "high security" set.
                                            One of my sponsors using ccbill pay whatever the cookie settings,
                                            SexyAds in Australia. How can they do it?
                                            IT CAN BE SOLVED!
                                            I'm so tired of this "accepted" thefts going on.
                                            First shaving and now this!

                                            I'm so tired of all those here defending shaving and this small cuts by cookie settings.

                                            Is there no honor left in the USA?? Small thefts like this should never be accepted by people in Western Europe or Australia.

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                                            • GoLiaT
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2002
                                              • 1130

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                              Bitches listen to this!

                                              I think it's like 1% of surfers that have cookies off, not 30%!
                                              i heard it is actually more then 30%
                                              lemme see if i can find that page again
                                              "where ever you go..there you are."

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                                              • justsexxx
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Aug 2001
                                                • 13723

                                                #24
                                                Maybe this info helps you.

                                                First of all CCBILL DOES work with cookies. So surfers who has cookies OFF, yeah you lost them...

                                                As far as NOT seeing your ID on the joinpage that is because you surfed that page already before WITHOUT your link...

                                                When you goto a www.sexdomain.com a cookie is set for 24 hours. Now when you go so that page again by clicking your REF URL you WON'T see your ID. But for example when you CLEAN ALL your cookies, then click your ref url, then you SHOULD alays see your ID on the joinpage(except when you have cookies off DUH)

                                                now when you click on another ref for the same SEXDOMAIN, you still SEE your ID.

                                                Maybe this answers your question a little?

                                                (And no I'm not working for ccbill :D)

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                                                • Dragonsxxx
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                  • 519

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by justsexxx
                                                  Maybe this info helps you.

                                                  First of all CCBILL DOES work with cookies. So surfers who has cookies OFF, yeah you lost them...

                                                  one of the reasons i have no luck with sites using ccbill
                                                  Try something that really converts
                                                  Naughty America i've been using them awhile now and the rebills really started to kick in
                                                  Payment every friday (also via epassporte)

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                                                  • Tipsy
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 6989

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by monro


                                                    I smell something more in this. I have made a lot of testing to find out for myself what's going on and why as an example AFF can have the very same signup ratio for years...
                                                    AFF do not use ccbill
                                                    Three of my sponsors using ccbill do not pay my share when a customer has "high security" set.
                                                    One of my sponsors using ccbill pay whatever the cookie settings,
                                                    SexyAds in Australia. How can they do it?
                                                    IT CAN BE SOLVED!
                                                    I'm so tired of this "accepted" thefts going on.
                                                    First shaving and now this!

                                                    I'm so tired of all those here defending shaving and this small cuts by cookie settings.

                                                    Is there no honor left in the USA?? Small thefts like this should never be accepted by people in Western Europe or Australia.
                                                    Of course it can be solved. Simple changes CCBills end will make it possible for all affiliates to not have to rely on just cookies. ANYONE with half a clue in PHP etc can knock up something that does this anyway with the current system - it's not that difficult. Of course it then also means shaving is easier for those who want to do so hence my comment about a system that uses ccbill cookies AND dynamic tracking. Very easy to do if CCBill made a couple of changes.

                                                    Again for those who miss very basic points - most people DO NOT have ALL their cookies disabled if they have any at all disabled. Different security/privacy settings affect different cookies and most people only disable 3rd party cookies. You lose sales but it's not as high as many seem to think. Even so one lost sale is one too many.

                                                    What amazes me though is why people keep treating shit like this as something new. As with the ability to cap rebills it's been around for ages. Seems to me 90% of the people flogging porn spend their days running around with their heads either int he sand or up their arses. Either way they can't see out. But then people will continue to blame their own inability to sell on everything but themselves. It's far easier to look for excuses rather than to admit you're doing something wrong
                                                    Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                                    • monro
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                      • 787

                                                      #27
                                                      After following this thread and similar the conclusion must be:
                                                      Small theft is allowed by ccbill and others and should not be spoken of..
                                                      If you try do defend the money belonging to you after your agreement sponsor - affiliate
                                                      you are just dumb.
                                                      1. Many valid cards with funds are discharged and you are not paid.
                                                      2. Shaving are almost openly going on, programs and plug-ins are openly sold
                                                      to assist a sponsor doing it. Ccbill could stop it instantly if they wanted to, only saying
                                                      to their sponsors that if they shave they will be banned by ccbill.
                                                      3. Ccbill allows sponsors to stop recurring payouts to affiliates without notifying the
                                                      affiliate.
                                                      4. The affiliates part of the money a customers pay are deducted if the customer has
                                                      the security level at IE set to "High"
                                                      How much are left of the money you, as an affiliate, have the right to? 50%?
                                                      And remember, the affiliate has the marketing cost, server cost, labor cost and often
                                                      has to buy traffic.

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                                                      • hanii
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                        • 449

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by monro
                                                        After following this thread and similar the conclusion must be:
                                                        Small theft is allowed by ccbill and others and should not be spoken of..
                                                        If you try do defend the money belonging to you after your agreement sponsor - affiliate
                                                        you are just dumb.
                                                        1. Many valid cards with funds are discharged and you are not paid.
                                                        2. Shaving are almost openly going on, programs and plug-ins are openly sold
                                                        to assist a sponsor doing it. Ccbill could stop it instantly if they wanted to, only saying
                                                        to their sponsors that if they shave they will be banned by ccbill.
                                                        3. Ccbill allows sponsors to stop recurring payouts to affiliates without notifying the
                                                        affiliate.
                                                        4. The affiliates part of the money a customers pay are deducted if the customer has
                                                        the security level at IE set to "High"
                                                        How much are left of the money you, as an affiliate, have the right to? 50%?
                                                        And remember, the affiliate has the marketing cost, server cost, labor cost and often
                                                        has to buy traffic.

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                                                        • fedfest
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • May 2002
                                                          • 1334

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by monro
                                                          After following this thread and similar the conclusion must be:
                                                          Small theft is allowed by ccbill and others and should not be spoken of..
                                                          If you try do defend the money belonging to you after your agreement sponsor - affiliate
                                                          you are just dumb.
                                                          1. Many valid cards with funds are discharged and you are not paid.
                                                          2. Shaving are almost openly going on, programs and plug-ins are openly sold
                                                          to assist a sponsor doing it. Ccbill could stop it instantly if they wanted to, only saying
                                                          to their sponsors that if they shave they will be banned by ccbill.
                                                          3. Ccbill allows sponsors to stop recurring payouts to affiliates without notifying the
                                                          affiliate.
                                                          4. The affiliates part of the money a customers pay are deducted if the customer has
                                                          the security level at IE set to "High"
                                                          How much are left of the money you, as an affiliate, have the right to? 50%?
                                                          And remember, the affiliate has the marketing cost, server cost, labor cost and often
                                                          has to buy traffic.
                                                          ..on top of that many sponsors have their e-mail collect forms and enter/exit consoles.. just to squeze that extra buck away from your traffic.. and then they actualy wonder why affiliates complain so much..
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                                                          • monro
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 787

                                                            #30
                                                            I'm only using one popunder as the most. Afraid of disturbing my customers. If a prospect see an intersting sponsor link at my page and proceed to the ccbill sign-up page, changing his/her mind and try to go back for another link at my page, ccbill deliver TWO POPUPS! Trying to take over customers delivered by me at my cost!

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                                                            • Brujah
                                                              Beer Money Baron
                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 22157

                                                              #31
                                                              use some code to set a cookie. if the cookie isn't set, don't display any ccbill sponsors.

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                                                              • stocktrader23
                                                                Let's do some business.
                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 18781

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by monro


                                                                How can you say a thing like that?

                                                                When all those virus warnings was all over the news, it was alot of instructions how to set IE to a high security level.
                                                                High security level = no cookies = no affiliate payment

                                                                What do you mean "Bitches" Are you a sponsor making money out of this and does not like it being dicussed?

                                                                All sponsors using ccbill can in their stats see all signups where the the affiliate is not paid and the affiliates URL as well.
                                                                THAT can be done, not the payment?
                                                                Dude, first of all I was just playing. No I don't like CCBill because the ratios blow ass. I assumed it was from scrub. Last I checked it was 1% of people with cookies off, maybe it's different now.

                                                                Anyhow, I think it's shitty either way, I was just fucking around.


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                                                                • xmovieparad
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                  • 181

                                                                  #33
                                                                  yea sales with ccbill have been suckin for my affilaites lately ..but good for me

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                                                                  • xmovieparad
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                    • 181

                                                                    #34
                                                                    so if someone has cookies off there is no way the affiliate is getting the sale????

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                                                                    • fedfest
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                      • 1334

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by xmovieparad
                                                                      yea sales with ccbill have been suckin for my affilaites lately ..but good for me
                                                                      Yeah.. now you know why Sponsors all love CCbill so much..

                                                                      Think this will be a short time gain though as affiliates will just move on to sponsors not using ccbill..
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                                                                      • JM-cj
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                        • 324

                                                                        #36
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                                                                        • Cindyff
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                          • 1187

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Trax
                                                                          this is a long known problem
                                                                          processing only with ccbill would be a bad idea for affiliates

                                                                          in general my ccbill sites are converting way worse than the epoch,... sites do
                                                                          Ours are doing the opposite just goes to show different sites with different sponsors with different traffic give different sign ups with different processors

                                                                          Did i say different enough times ? too much christams spirit i think


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                                                                          • BSleazy
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 6721

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Setting Unq
                                                                            Enabled 78,581
                                                                            Session Only 5,037
                                                                            Unknown 4,823
                                                                            Disabled 3,942
                                                                            Based on 92,383 Uniques


                                                                            i've seen days though with like up to 40% having cookies disabled
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                                                                            • biskoppen
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 5809

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by JM-cj
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                                                                              • Darren
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                                • 5994

                                                                                #40
                                                                                well we track using IP and cookies


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                                                                                • AvsTgp
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                  • 318

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Darren
                                                                                  well we track using IP and cookies
                                                                                  Darren your a shaving sponsor and we all know that and I hate to see you pop up in threads like this with such bullshit.
                                                                                  As a ccbill sponsor I am partial to this thread however my motto is and always will be if afilliates make money they will continue promoting you and its good business as well as ethical to implement anything that can help partners and, I support this 100%.

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                                                                                  • freeones
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                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                    • 3406

                                                                                    #42
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                                                                                    • spooky181
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                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                      • 2951

                                                                                      #43
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