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12-18-2003, 11:18 PM

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The response to that is yes and no. Companies are at the present selling goods to countries around the world that are on the approved list of sales...but if some of the things that are currently being sold...come to some sinister use then they will be banned for sale to the country that is applying a sinister use...and it sometimes takes time to discover this. I do have no doubt that the government directly approved the sales of some dual use materials that it would have been prudent not to...but the times were such that we were trying to prevent a decisive loss by Iran or Iraq. Geo politics are not fun and games...but are serious matters...and are not black and white...but with shades of gray...and are not pleasant...but it is the responsibility of the US government to do what it perceives to be in the best interest of the nation. We are not compelled to seek approval of the UN or the world and in my opinion should never put the Nation in that position. Idealism has its place...but then cold hard reality...holds the upper hand.

Yeah sure. If Reagan didn't remove Iraq from the terrorist supporting countries list this wouldn't have happened though.

So you shouldn't seek the UN approval but you shall beg for help from the UN when you need it?

Cold hard reality? Please, that's quiet a stupid excuse and one that Saddam often used to kill his enemies.
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12-18-2003, 11:20 PM

Who cares who's fault this war is, the important thing is that a tyrant that gased thousands of people is caugth and is going to be brought to justice, which will send a good message to the world. United States is a superpower and it has to show it, or else it wouldnt be, right? Look at history, every superpower invaded other countries and seized territories. At least the aim of the U.S. is not to kill people or turn the Iraqi people in to slaves. The Iraqi people are much better off with us than that old tyrant, after all Stalin was his role model. Maybe you war opposers do not see the bigger picture, but soon you will and you will thank the soldiers who lost their lives and understand their cause.
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12-18-2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Lev
Who cares who's fault this war is, the important thing is that a tyrant that gased thousands of people is caugth and is going to be brought to justice, which will send a good message to the world. United States is a superpower and it has to show it, or else it wouldnt be, right? Look at history, every superpower invaded other countries and seized territories. At least the aim of the U.S. is not to kill people or turn the Iraqi people in to slaves. The Iraqi people are much better off with us than that old tyrant, after all Stalin was his role model. Maybe you war opposers do not see the bigger picture, but soon you will and you will thank the soldiers who lost their lives and understand their cause.

Ok, lets look at history... every super power in the past has been overthrown... I feel much better now.. thanks.

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12-18-2003, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by NBDesign

Unlike others on this board.. I do not need my friends to back me up. You are the one calling me a liar.. so prove it. Otherwise you are just another blow hard that spews out nothing but shit.

Never called you a liar just doubted your hatred for the US government and questioned you about your scripts that you sell for profit.

Sorry that you need to defend yourself so much...BTW, do you do want another hint?
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12-18-2003, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by uptheyingyang

well, it isn't a perfect world, but someone needed to say that.

my father was in WWII getting shot at. if he and a whole bunch of other farm boys from America hadn't done what needed to be done i might be writing in german right now.

You mean to say thanks to the Red Army that you are writing in English. American forces did minimal compared to the glorious Red Army.
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12-18-2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, lets look at history... every super power in the past has been overthrown... I feel much better now.. thanks.

Hey I never said that the U.S. will not be overthrown, no empire lasts forever right. But at present, we stand strong and thats what counts, so enjoy
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12-18-2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by SureFire

Never called you a liar just doubted your hatred for the US government and questioned you about your scripts that you sell for profit.

Sorry that you need to defend yourself so much...BTW, do you do want another hint?

By saying I am using open source code and selling it when I have told you I created it is calling me a liar.

Hints? for what? I know what I did and I do not need to prove anything to you or anyone else who does not believe me. If you can show me any open source code I use in my scripts... fine.. show me.. but you cant because I wrote these programs.

As for my dislike for our current administration.. one has nothing to do with the other.

as for defending myself... I am not... you are calling me a liar, all I am asking is that you back up your comments. If I am a liar... out me here and now...

so... again, I am asking for the last time... prove me a liar or shit up. is that too much to ask?

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12-18-2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Lev

Hey I never said that the U.S. will not be overthrown, no empire lasts forever right. But at present, we stand strong and thats what counts, so enjoy

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12-18-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Lev
Who cares who's fault this war is, the important thing is that a tyrant that gased thousands of people is caugth and is going to be brought to justice, which will send a good message to the world. United States is a superpower and it has to show it, or else it wouldnt be, right? Look at history, every superpower invaded other countries and seized territories. At least the aim of the U.S. is not to kill people or turn the Iraqi people in to slaves. The Iraqi people are much better off with us than that old tyrant, after all Stalin was his role model. Maybe you war opposers do not see the bigger picture, but soon you will and you will thank the soldiers who lost their lives and understand their cause.

Show what? If anything, this whole thing makes the US look quiet weak especially when the US is begging for other countries to get involved and send troops. Hearing about guerillas killing a few US soldiers doesn't really make me feel safe.

Yeah every superpower invaded other countries and seized territories, but the US could've started a new era. France and Britain are still paying for all the countries they invaded, look at Africa.

The Iraqi people are much better off under occupation? If you've lived under occupation you'd realise that what you're saying is quiet unbelievable. Imagine living under Martial law in your city, occupation is much worst.
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12-18-2003, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Roger

Yeah sure. If Reagan didn't remove Iraq from the terrorist supporting countries list this wouldn't have happened though.

So you shouldn't seek the UN approval but you shall beg for help from the UN when you need it?

Cold hard reality? Please, that's quiet a stupid excuse and one that Saddam often used to kill his enemies.

Asking the UN to involve itself is not begging...and is of course the smart thing to do...if the UN does not...it is the dumb thing for them to do...and we will finish the job as we began it...basically by ourselves.

Not an excuse at all...the cold hard reality is that since the human animal came into existence...it has killed what it perceives to be its enemy...and will continue to do so. More that 14,000 known wars have been fought...since it left the caves about 30,000 years ago...and another 14,000 may be fougt in the next 30,000 years...providing that the human animal does not join the other 90% of all previous living things that are now extinct.

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12-18-2003, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Roger

Show what? If anything, this whole thing makes the US look quiet weak especially when the US is begging for other countries to get involved and send troops. Hearing about guerillas killing a few US soldiers doesn't really make me feel safe.

Yeah every superpower invaded other countries and seized territories, but the US could've started a new era. France and Britain are still paying for all the countries they invaded, look at Africa.

The Iraqi people are much better off under occupation? If you've lived under occupation you'd realise that what you're saying is quiet unbelievable. Imagine living under Martial law in your city, occupation is much worst.

I think the Japanese people are very pleased to have been occupied by the US as it was through our beneficence that they are in competition for being the second richest country in the world...and in their case the occupation only lasted about five years.

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12-18-2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by theking
Not an excuse at all...the cold hard reality is that since the human animal came into existence...it has killed what it perceives to be its enemy...and will continue to do so. More that 14,000 known wars have been fought...since it left the caves about 30,000 years ago...and another 14,000 may be fougt in the next 30,000 years...providing that the human animal does not join the other 90% of all previous living things that are now extinct.

Yes, we are no different than the animals that roam the earth... they fight and kill over food, territory, women and control of the pack....

but we are suppose to be superior to animals, we have thought reason and the power to control ourselves in a civilized society.

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12-18-2003, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by NBDesign

Yes, we are no different than the animals that roam the earth... they fight and kill over food, territory, women and control of the pack....

but we are suppose to be superior to animals, we have thought reason and the power to control ourselves in a civilized society.

The human animal is not "civilized" as it has only been out of the caves for about 30,000 years and that is nada on the timeline of evolution...check back in say 3 million years or so...maybe if the human animal is still in existence...it may be somewhat civilized.

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12-18-2003, 11:47 PM

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The human animal is not "civilized" as it has only been out of the caves for about 30,000 years and that is nada on the timeline of evolution...check back in say 3 million years or so...maybe if the human animal is still in existence...it may be somewhat civilized.

I don't think that will ever happen...

not sure, but I don't think animals have one trait we have... greed. It's greed that corrupts.

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12-18-2003, 11:48 PM

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Asking the UN to involve itself is not begging...and is of course the smart thing to do...if the UN does not...it is the dumb thing for them to do...and we will finish the job as we began it...basically by ourselves.

Not an excuse at all...the cold hard reality is that since the human animal came into existence...it has killed what it perceives to be its enemy...and will continue to do so. More that 14,000 known wars have been fought...since it left the caves about 30,000 years ago...and another 14,000 may be fougt in the next 30,000 years...providing that the human animal does not join the other 90% of all previous living things that are now extinct.

How is it a dumb thing not to get involved? Finish the job? Sure, yeah There are 5 more countries to invade and reasons need to be found to do so.

How about the US leaves the UN (an organisation that the US helped create) and create there own form of UN and establish there own laws. Oh, the problem is that some US allies won't follow those laws and then what will happen? Double standards again

Let me get this straight. Saddam does not have the right to kill those he perceives as his enemies, but the US does and should kill those perceived as enemies?
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12-18-2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Roger

Show what? If anything, this whole thing makes the US look quiet weak especially when the US is begging for other countries to get involved and send troops. Hearing about guerillas killing a few US soldiers doesn't really make me feel safe.

Yeah every superpower invaded other countries and seized territories, but the US could've started a new era. France and Britain are still paying for all the countries they invaded, look at Africa.

The Iraqi people are much better off under occupation? If you've lived under occupation you'd realise that what you're saying is quiet unbelievable. Imagine living under Martial law in your city, occupation is much worst.

Sorry I prob did not clearify my message. I meant to say that the Iraqis are better off without Saddam and by overthrowing him, the U.S. did them a big favor. Maybe the people will not realize this, but when the time comes, they will thank the U.S.

Killing a few U.S. soldiers...LOL....over 200,000 Soviet soldiers died in one night when they seized Berlin, so a few soldiers a day is nothing, it's worth the price. Again, you people do not look at the bigger picture.
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12-18-2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Lev

Killing a few U.S. soldiers...LOL....over 200,000 Soviet soldiers died in one night when they seized Berlin, so a few soldiers a day is nothing, it's worth the price. Again, you people do not look at the bigger picture.

Tell that to the parents of these dead soldiers, or their children... I am sure they will agree with you 100%

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12-18-2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Roger

How is it a dumb thing not to get involved? Finish the job? Sure, yeah There are 5 more countries to invade and reasons need to be found to do so.

How about the US leaves the UN (an organisation that the US helped create) and create there own form of UN and establish there own laws. Oh, the problem is that some US allies won't follow those laws and then what will happen? Double standards again

Let me get this straight. Saddam does not have the right to kill those he perceives as his enemies, but the US does and should kill those perceived as enemies?

There are more countries that should be taken down...and unless they see the light...they will eventually be taken down.

I have little respect for the UN other than as a debating club but debate has its place so I reluctantly think the US should remain a member.

Right and wrong are relative...and mostly exists in idealism...but has little to do with reality. Saddam...as the leader of a nation...realistically speaking could kill whomever he perceives to be his enemy...and the cold hard reality is...he did this...because he had the power to do so...and it is the way of the human animal. Leaders of countries...through out history...have almost always done what they have the power to do...so there is nothing new about that. Having the power is the keyword...as the human animal still practices evolution's "survival of the fittest".

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12-19-2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Lev
Sorry I prob did not clearify my message. I meant to say that the Iraqis are better off without Saddam and by overthrowing him, the U.S. did them a big favor. Maybe the people will not realize this, but when the time comes, they will thank the U.S.

Killing a few U.S. soldiers...LOL....over 200,000 Soviet soldiers died in one night when they seized Berlin, so a few soldiers a day is nothing, it's worth the price. Again, you people do not look at the bigger picture.

No the US didn't do them a big favor, it was up to the Iraqis to unite, take there responsibilities and get rid of him. The US did them a disservice which will result in some hostilities here and there for a couple of decades and then they'll eventually have to face there problems but a people who's used to have others save them from there responsibilities won't be prepared for shit and the easy way for them will be to blame the US.

When the time comes? Oh yeah sure.

What bigger picture? There's no bigger picture, except control of oil.
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12-19-2003, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by NBDesign
Tell that to the parents of these dead soldiers, or their children... I am sure they will agree with you 100%

Most of them would agree...that their lives were sacrificed for the greater cause.

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12-19-2003, 12:05 AM

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Tell that to the parents of these dead soldiers, or their children... I am sure they will agree with you 100%

I know and I feel sorry for them, but hey, they chose to join the military and they knew that they might be killed in the line of duty. At least the military service is not mandatory here. But you have to sacrifice something to get another thing.
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12-19-2003, 12:09 AM

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Most of them would agree...that their lives were sacrificed for the greater cause.

You think? Ok, maybe some would... after all... there are some here that think bush is a good president...

but I an sure if you ask any parent if their childs life was worth taking over a pointless war, I am sure she would not agree. I know I wouldn't....

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12-19-2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Roger

No the US didn't do them a big favor, it was up to the Iraqis to unite, take there responsibilities and get rid of him. The US did them a disservice which will result in some hostilities here and there for a couple of decades and then they'll eventually have to face there problems but a people who's used to have others save them from there responsibilities won't be prepared for shit and the easy way for them will be to blame the US.

When the time comes? Oh yeah sure.

What bigger picture? There's no bigger picture, except control of oil.

The cold hard fact is in a world of reality and not idealism...control of oil is an extraordinarily important necessity and will even become more so as the irreplaceable fossil fuels dwindle away...but yet it is only a part of the bigger picture.

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12-19-2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Roger

No the US didn't do them a big favor, it was up to the Iraqis to unite, take there responsibilities and get rid of him. The US did them a disservice which will result in some hostilities here and there for a couple of decades and then they'll eventually have to face there problems but a people who's used to have others save them from there responsibilities won't be prepared for shit and the easy way for them will be to blame the US.

When the time comes? Oh yeah sure.

What bigger picture? There's no bigger picture, except control of oil.

Up to Iraqis to get rid of him???.....LOL...Get rid of the person who controls the army and who will kill anyone who says anything against him? Its not hollywood....LOL...Its not easy to unite people with different ethnicities and backgrounds and Iraq is a multi-cultural place.

What bigger picture? There's no bigger picture, except control of oil.

You just answered your own question

When you control the world's second largest oil reserves, you basically own the world hehe
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12-19-2003, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by theking
There are more countries that should be taken down...and unless they see the light...they will eventually be taken down.

And just how exactly are you different than Hitler? What light are you talking about?

I have little respect for the UN other than as a debating club but debate has its place so I reluctantly think the US should remain a member.

Right and wrong are relative...and mostly exists in idealism...but has little to do with reality. Saddam...as the leader of a nation...realistically speaking could kill whomever he perceives to be his enemy...and the cold hard reality is...he did this...because he had the power to do so...and it is the way of the human animal. Leaders of countries...through out history...have almost always done what they have the power to do...so there is nothing new about that. Having the power is the keyword...as the human animal still practices evolution's "survival of the fittest".

Ah I don't know how old you are but I think you lived a confortable life for a very long time and you're loosing sight and have less and less appreciation for American values.

It seems to me like you're in agreement with Saddam and his methods.
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12-19-2003, 12:12 AM

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You think? Ok, maybe some would... after all... there are some here that think bush is a good president...

but I an sure if you ask any parent if their childs life was worth taking over a pointless war, I am sure she would not agree. I know I wouldn't....

Only those that have a personal view of the war being pointless...but the majority of Americans do not believe that the war is pointless.

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12-19-2003, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by theking
The cold hard fact is in a world of reality and not idealism...control of oil is an extraordinarily important necessity and will even become more so as the irreplaceable fossil fuels dwindle away...but yet it is only a part of the bigger picture.

Hmmm, you're telling me that if all the money that was poured for the war on Iraq was used to find alternatives to oil that they still wouldn't have found a decent alternative?
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12-19-2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by Lev

I know and I feel sorry for them, but hey, they chose to join the military and they knew that they might be killed in the line of duty. At least the military service is not mandatory here. But you have to sacrifice something to get another thing.

You are correct.. they did sign up, but the point I was trying to make is that these parents of these dead soldiers would not agree that the loss of their child over a pointless war was worth it.

Ok, if there was a good reason.. other than greedy bastards wanting control of some oil fields.. then maybe.. just maybe if it was a fight for freedom... ours, not some other countries.. let their milirary take care of that....

Sorry, I do not see where saddam was a threat to us personally. Until that person did something to us himself.. it is all heresay. If the deaths of these soldiers was because they were fighting to get binladden.. the one responsible for the actual damage and killing of innocent americans.. then I would be supporting this 1000%... hell, I would go fight too... Ther is a cause for it.... Sorry, I still don't see a rational heason for invading iraq...

you can say he was a tyrant, he killed his own people or what ever... hey... not my problem. Let their people fight it our amongst them selves... Every country has civil uprisings... even the US had a civil war.. None of our business.

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12-19-2003, 12:19 AM

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Only those that have a personal view of the war being pointless...but the majority of Americans do not believe that the war is pointless.

Only because they are sheep that believe everything their government tells them.. people that do not think for themselves.

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12-19-2003, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Roger

Ah I don't know how old you are but I think you lived a confortable life for a very long time and you're loosing sight and have less and less appreciation for American values.

It seems to me like you're in agreement with Saddam and his methods.

I am 45 years old...spent 12 years serving with the 82nd Airborne Division...was involved in operations "Urgent Fury"..."Just Cause"..."Desert Shield"..."Desert Storm" with my career being ended in Desert Strom...and now receive a 100% disability and live in mind numbing pain 24/7. Comfortable life...I think not...thank you very much.

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12-19-2003, 12:22 AM

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Hmmm, you're telling me that if all the money that was poured for the war on Iraq was used to find alternatives to oil that they still wouldn't have found a decent alternative?

Strange...I do not recall telling you that.

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12-19-2003, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Lev

You just answered your own question

When you control the world's second largest oil reserves, you basically own the world hehe

Nobody said that taking responsibility is easy, it's very hard but there are some things you just need to do. And it's not as if they never did anything like that before.

Just find alternatives to oil instead.
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12-19-2003, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by NBDesign
Only because they are sheep that believe everything their government tells them.. people that do not think for themselves.

An utterly stupid statement...without validity.

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12-19-2003, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by theking

Strange...I do not recall telling you that.

I know, I'm just suggesting that the money would've been better spent that way
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12-19-2003, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by theking

I am 45 years old...spent 12 years serving with the 82nd Airborne Division...was involved in operations "Urgent Fury"..."Just Cause"..."Desert Shield"..."Desert Storm" with my career being ended in Desert Strom...and now receive a 100% disability and live in mind numbing pain 24/7. Comfortable life...I think not...thank you very much.

Ok, now I understand you a little better. Damn.. that is some military career... what brings you to GFY and the adult biz?

Me, I am 38, never been in the military, never cared about politics... I do appreciate the militry, my grandfather was in WWII has a purple heart and some other medals...

Some wars need to be fought... I do agree with that... I just don't agree with the resoning for this one. Sorry. Bush lied about everything... how can you trust someone that lies like that? Hell, even clinton when he lied to the american public on national television... and in court.. never trusted him after.

Yes, they all lie... but unless they are caught, you will never know. These two were caught and I cannot trust ANYONE who lies to me...

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12-19-2003, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Roger

I know, I'm just suggesting that the money would've been better spent that way

Idealistically speaking you are probably right...but the cold hard reality is...as long as oil is more economically viable than an alternative fuel...it will remain at the top of the list.

Look...as I have said...idealism has its place...but has little to do with reality.

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12-19-2003, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by theking

An utterly stupid statement...without validity.

Really? How so? I am from a small town in western PA... when I moved to california, I would get calls from back home asking me about stuff they heard on the news.. half of it was nonsense as I knew better, I lived there.

People from small towns usually have small town mentality... and believe everything the media tells them. I know.. I am from a small town and they all think the same.... backwards.

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12-19-2003, 12:35 AM

2:30 here, I need to get up early, I still have a ton of work to do so if I do not respond right away..... that is the reason....

If this thread dies... it was nice chatting with all of you this evening...

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12-19-2003, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by theking
I am 45 years old...spent 12 years serving with the 82nd Airborne Division...was involved in operations "Urgent Fury"..."Just Cause"..."Desert Shield"..."Desert Storm" with my career being ended in Desert Strom...and now receive a 100% disability and live in mind numbing pain 24/7. Comfortable life...I think not...thank you very much.

hmmm, I'm no psychologist I guess I used to think like you do though and even worst.
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12-19-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, now I understand you a little better. Damn.. that is some military career... what brings you to GFY and the adult biz?

Me, I am 38, never been in the military, never cared about politics... I do appreciate the militry, my grandfather was in WWII has a purple heart and some other medals...

Some wars need to be fought... I do agree with that... I just don't agree with the resoning for this one. Sorry. Bush lied about everything... how can you trust someone that lies like that? Hell, even clinton when he lied to the american public on national television... and in court.. never trusted him after.

Yes, they all lie... but unless they are caught, you will never know. These two were caught and I cannot trust ANYONE who lies to me...

I always say... believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

President Bush is not the first President to have "lied" (if in fact he did lie...the Senate Select Intelligence Committee has been investigating to see if the Administration lied/exaggerated the intel that was supplied to them by our 14 intel agencies) and is not the first to have "lied" about war. At least two others "lied" about war and...in my opinion...in a worse way than President Bush may have "lied".

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12-19-2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by theking
Idealistically speaking you are probably right...but the cold hard reality is...as long as oil is more economically viable than an alternative fuel...it will remain at the top of the list.

Look...as I have said...idealism has its place...but has little to do with reality.

Idealism drives reality. The constitution was created by idealistic individuals.
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12-19-2003, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Roger

Idealism drives reality. The constitution was created by idealistic individuals.

And they bought the luxury of developing the constitution...after the reality of having fought a hard war. Iraq is now going to have the luxury of developing an "idealistic" constitution after the reality of war.

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12-19-2003, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by theking

And you are clueless...and will remain so for the few years...or less that...you have left to breathe the air of this world. FYI WMD was only one reason among many solid reasons for the take down of Saddam and his Baath party...to keep yapping about WMD's just shows how clueless you really are. You are dismissed now.

And yet when Bush and co. were yapping on and on and on about WMD's that was all fine wasn't it. Good to see you're not forgetting to take your hypocrisy pill each morning.

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12-19-2003, 01:07 AM

written 70-odd years ago and nothing to do with iraq, but an interesting read anyway

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12-19-2003, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by theking

evolution is active as is "suvival of the fittest".

By that logic, I'm fit as fuck, while the American boys dying in Iraq are obviously evolutionary inferior. Deriving morality from nature is stupid.

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12-19-2003, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by sacX

And yet when Bush and co. were yapping on and on and on about WMD's that was all fine wasn't it. Good to see you're not forgetting to take your hypocrisy pill each morning.

As I posted on this board quite some time before the invasion took place...it was my opinion that WMD's was not the primary reason for invading Iraq and presented what I thought the real reasons were...so there is nothing hypocritical about my statement...try again.

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12-19-2003, 01:15 AM

god-damned 5 minute edit limit...

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12-19-2003, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

By that logic, I'm fit as fuck, while the American boys dying in Iraq are obviously evolutionary inferior. Deriving morality from nature is stupid.

Your first statement is obviously incorrect and I agree to the second statement. Morality is a subjective term and only has meaning to an individual on a subjective basis.

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12-19-2003, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by theking

Your first statement is obviously incorrect and I agree to the second statement. Morality is a subjective term and only has meaning to an individual on a subjective basis.

Evolutionary speaking, fighting in wars is the stupidest thing you can do. Based on evolution, the best thing to do would be to impregnate as many women as humanly possible, and not take any risks whatsoever with regards to your own life.

I agree with you on the subjectivity of morality though.

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12-19-2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by theking

As I posted on this board quite some time before the invasion took place...it was my opinion that WMD's was not the primary reason for invading Iraq and presented what I thought the real reasons were...so there is nothing hypocritical about my statement...try again.

Show me where you called Bush and co. clueless in regards to continually talking about WMD's and I'll withdraw calling you a hypocrite.

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