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Old 07-18-2004, 09:25 PM  
gregtx
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Originally posted by jayeff
These days? 8 years ago retention was just as bad for programs that didn't deliver. The average surfer isn't any more stupid than the average webmaster: if a site doesn't have what it promised, they cancel. It's not rocket science.

And if you base partnership income on sites geared to the PPS model, of course it is going to look ridiculous. But how come all the PPS fans conveniently forget sponsors like Karups PC, Scoreland and others that for years have been keeping their members even longer than most AVS programs?

When Visa first came down on us, everyone knew exactly why. Did we learn anything? A few of the worst practises may have softened some, but the main reaction seems to have been to start up $1 and $10 programs, to try to stay inside the CB limits. Oh and the rate at which some sponsors roll out new versions of their programs seems to have speeded up.

Really how smart is it to be all but begging Visa to tighten up even more? Or to be acting as if this is 1998 and most of our potential customers are still newbies? Why is it so hard to recognize that if online porn generates the money it does despite the BS we dish out, it would be worth far more without it.

We don't need to trick people into buying porn: they want to! Bandwidth is cheap. Content is cheap. Why is it apparently so bloody difficult just to play straight...
bahahaha...

just 3 yrs ago.. retention was over 40%.. before that even higher... surfers are getting smarter.... why stick around when they can "try out a new site" tommorow... it has nothing to do with the membres section.. it has to do with the quality of traffic.... those old sites you mentioned.. still do great... but partly b/c they have old members from the beginning... and i'm sure they too have seen a decline in the average retaining member...

again.... this has nothing to do with chargebacks... I know you like to think it does but it does not... chargebacks and credits are two different things.

lastly... Raffi... why not pay out $65+ per join??? that model is not new... but those who tried it out in the past offered $60+ per join... but they too found out that... people don't like to send traffic to an unknown payout.. vs a guaranteed one...
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